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Ask about Jehovah's Witnesses

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by WitnessofJah, Nov 11, 2004.

  1. jewscout

    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    Yes we do believe in an immortal soul though the information on the "after-life" is a little fuzzy in Judaism. And what would a Jew be if he didn't follow the Mosaic Laws and the 613 mitzvot:)
     
  2. WitnessofJah

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    As Jehovahs Witnesses, the Bible is our primary source of knowledge and is the book we base ourselves on. The Quran, also, has some similar passages and principles that can be found in the Bible. However, as for Muhammad himself, I am afraid to say that the Bible has no mention of him.

    We don't believe that Muhammed performed miracles and was inspired. The Quran says itself (Sura 17:59): "We refrain from sending Signs, only because men of former years treated them as false."This explicitly does not allow for any signs. If Muhammad had performed signs, why rebuke his hearers for asking for them; why should they complain because of their being none?
     
  3. Green Gaia

    Green Gaia Veteran Member

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    Witness, what is the one thing we should know about Jehovah's Witnesses? In other words, what is your core fundamental belief?
     
  4. WitnessofJah

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    You're right, there is no "J" in the hebrew alphabet. "Jehovah" is the best known English pronunciation of the divine name, although "Yahweh" is favored by most Hebrew scholars. The oldest Hebrew manuscripts present the name in the form of four consonants, commonly called the Tetragrammaton (from Greek te·tra-, meaning "four," and gram´ma, "letter"). These four letters (written from right to left) are יהוה and may be transliterated into English as YHWH (or, JHVH).
     
  5. WitnessofJah

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    Good question. :)

    When God created the heavens and the earth, there was somebody with him first - his name was Jesus. In fact, Jesus was God's first ever creation. Colossians 1:15 states: "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation". Thus the Scriptures identify the Word (Jesus in his prehuman existence) as God’s first creation, his firstborn Son.

    So Jesus would have been present when God created the heavens and the earth.
     
  6. WitnessofJah

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    As Jehovah's Witnesses, we feel that the Mosaic laws are no longer applicable, even though we can still learn much from them. See my in-depth answer to "Druidus" a page or two ago for our biblical viewpoint. :)
     
  7. WitnessofJah

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    As Jehovah's Witness, we believe that Jesus is God's son (not part of the Trinity). We also believe that the righteous will inherit the Earth and will have everlasting life - we don't believe in hell, and only a few chosen ones (the anointed) will go to heaven. An everlasting hope is only possible because Jesus came here on Earth to die for us in exchange for many, and because he achieved that, we have that hope. We also believe in the whole book of the Bible - both the OT and NT - and apply and learn from it as much as we can.

    The reason why there is suffering on this world right now goes back to when Adam commited a sin against God - which Satan was behind (the serpent). Right now, God is in the process of vindicating himself against Satan by proving that there is a group of followere on this Earth who will follow him by their own free will. When god has proved this - then the end will come.
     
  8. cardero

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    In the New World Translation in the New Testament, Mathew 17:21 and 18:11 there is just a line no scripture. What is the reason for this?
     
  9. jewscout

    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    Ah yes but what about the Jewish people themselves. If the Mosaic laws are no long applicable by JW beliefs what do most JWs think about the Jewish people and our continued following of the Laws.
     
  10. Druidus

    Druidus Keeper of the Grove

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    But did you not say that you believe in the bible 100%? Therefore, since these were the words and commandments of God, you would be disobeying him, no? How can you say that these rules are not to be followed and others are? Why don't we not follow other rules, and say we can "still learn from them"?

    Ahh, but to say that you accept the bible in full, and then not to follow it literally would be hypocritical. You are not to eat the blood, it doesn't say you can't recieve transfusions. Every peice of meat you eat will have some blood in it. That's where the taste comes from (hemoglobin from the blood). Are you all vegetarians? There is also blood in eggs (chicken menstruation), and milk (Cows regularily have bleeding sores, because they have been engineered to have udders far too large for their bodies. Some of this blood and pus get in the milk.). Before you say that these are animals, and thus, do not count, read your quote again. "YOU must not eat the blood of any sort of flesh...". It says "any sort of flesh". I presume meat is flesh.

    Zathutra (sp?), a prophet from around the same region as the biblical prophets, was killed for his predictions, because they were against the bible. The predictions came true. Show me these "predictions" that came true. What about the Vedic texts? The myriad other "holy" books? I recall, one of them had drawings of flyable aircraft!

    Nostradamus also predicted much. However, biblical predictions are even more vague then his, and thus, open to speculation, not considered fact. The bible's message is harmonius? Why was the God of the old testament more like a sadistic ruler who favoured one child, and the God of the new testament like a loving martyr who favoured none? It's works and fruitage? Why aren't the other holy books considered the word of God to you, then?

    P.S. Sorry if I sound hostile, I most certainly am not, just eager to ask questions.
     
  11. Master Vigil

    Master Vigil Well-Known Member

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    "Zathutra (sp?), a prophet from around the same region as the biblical prophets, was killed for his predictions, because they were against the bible."

    Druidus, I just want to help you out here. If (and I am only assuming) you are talking about Zorathustra, or Zoroaster, he was before the jews. And thus before the bible. So he was not killed for his predictions, he became the founder of Zoroastrianism. Of course, there are so many names from that part of the world that sound the same. I may be completely wrong. And if so, I gravely apologize.
     
  12. Druidus

    Druidus Keeper of the Grove

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    No, it wasn't him. However, there's no need to "gravely apologize"! :p

    It's not like you killed someone! :p

    Or did you... :areyoucra
     
  13. Ronald

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    In your condescending Laymans terms or any other terms, Show me where anyone goes to heaven EXCEPT He who Came Down From Heaven!!!! Seems to me you have a SECRET BIBLE, because I've never read one that sats "Go to Heaven" you me or anyone else. (Joh 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven but he who descended from heaven, the Son of man.)
    WitnessofJah likes to ADD also! :162:
     
  14. robtex

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    I understand that Jehovah's witness cannot box, wrestle or study martial arts. Is this true? I also understand that they are discouraged from marrying outside of their faith...how true is that? When was Jesus last on earth and where?
     
  15. WitnessofJah

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    The New World Translation is not alone in omitting Matthew 17:21 and Matthew 18:11, or in showing its questionable nature in an explanatory footnote. Among other translations doing so are the American Standard Version, An American Translation, Revised Standard Version and The New English Bible.

    Evidently, then, copyists made some additions to the Greek text of the Bible at times, being more prone to do this than to omit material. However, careful Biblical research has resulted in uncovering such scribal elaborations. Consequently, the most dependable Greek texts are found to be the most condensed.

    From this we should not take the view that the text of the Christian Greek Scriptures has suffered measurably in transmission. Scholar Jack Finegan has stated: "The total number of New Testament manuscripts is very impressive. . . . No other Greek book has anything like this amount of testimony to its text. It is true that there are numerous textual variations among these different New Testament manuscripts, but the majority of them are of a relatively minor character . . . As a matter of fact, it has been estimated by careful students that there are substantial variations in hardly more than a thousandth part of the entire text."—Light from the Ancient Past, page 352.

    So long strory short, these "missing texts", or portions thereof, in the Christian Greek Scriptures are not included in the New World Translation because they are not supported in the original Greek text.
     
  16. linwood

    linwood Well-Known Member

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    Are you saying that the New World Translation is not inerrant?
    I have never heard a JW under any circumstances admit to this and I`ve argued it with quite a few.

    It is entirely true.
    Many sects do not want their flock to marry any of a different faith but the JW`s are extremely strict about it.

    JW`s disparage most influence outside of their faith.
     
  17. cardero

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    Thanks again for your quick response.
     
  18. a2ndson

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    May I ask, how do you feel about the jw's common practice of telling their flock to shun those who don't agree 100% with their doctrine?
     
  19. linwood

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    Witness what is your opinion of the Silent Lambs and their efforts?
     
  20. WitnessofJah

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    We don't think anything about the Jewish people - we just focus on ourselves. If the Jewish people want to continue to follow the Mosaic laws, that is up to them. However, when Jesus came to earth, he said that himself that the Mosaic laws were no longer applicable because a new era of laws were now to be followed, the laws of Christ. These laws were not on a stone tablet, but laws from the heart. However, you may find this hard to accept because Judaism does'nt accept the NT and and neither believed Jesus came to Earth in the first place.
     
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