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As Arranged, Trump Has Been Acquitted

Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
Sunstone said:
As arranged in advance of the trial by Mr. Trump, Mr. Mitch McConnell, and the Republican majority, Mr. Trump has been acquitted in the Senate of both charges on which he was impeached by the House of Representatives.

Senator Mitt Romney was the only Republican to cross party lines and vote to convict, which he did on the abuse of power charge, but not on the obstruction of justice charge.

The acquittal has the potential to give Mr. Trump unprecedented powers for someone occupying the office of president. It will be interesting to observe if he returns to his efforts to illegally throw the November election in his favor.

[Source, New York Times]
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And if a couple three more democrats had been elected, then
"as arranged" would have gone the other way.

People in Hong Kong have other things to think about,
but this spectacle of childish self indulgent behaviour
on the part of the highest officials does not give us
good confidence in the USA.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Audie said:
And if a couple three more democrats had been elected, then
"as arranged" would have gone the other way.
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People like to see malevolence behind things gone awry.
It identifies an enemy, & gives an explanation....something
to fight & rage against. The so-much-up-to-chance thing
you bring up doesn't work for many.
 
England my lionheart

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
So Richard Nixon was impeached for the same accusations as Trump but obviously didn't have the majority to block witnesses so he resigned before the shame of being kicked out of office.

Trump however had the 51 majority so witnesses blocked,if he was innocent of the accusations why not show your innocence by allowing witnesses instead there is always the doubt,or to some no doubt he's guilty as charged,just trying to understand it all.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
England my lionheart said:
So Richard Nixon was impeached for the same accusations as Trump but obviously didn't have the majority to block witnesses so he resigned before the shame of being kicked out of office.

Trump however had the 51 majority so witnesses blocked,if he was innocent of the accusations why not show your innocence by allowing witnesses instead there is always the doubt,or to some no doubt he's guilty as charged,just trying to understand it all.
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It's seldom about guilt or innocence.
The Senate didn't want to convict,
so there was no need for more info.
Democrats did want to convict, so
they hoped more info would do that.
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
England my lionheart said:
So Richard Nixon was impeached for the same accusations as Trump but obviously didn't have the majority to block witnesses so he resigned before the shame of being kicked out of office.

Trump however had the 51 majority so witnesses blocked,if he was innocent of the accusations why not show your innocence by allowing witnesses instead there is always the doubt,or to some no doubt he's guilty as charged,just trying to understand it all.
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Election year. That should be self-explanatory.

If they're stuck in Washington, they probably won't win their insatiable quest for power.

No witnesses meant a speedy trial , and I bet they all packed up and ran out of the building to get on the campaign trail.
 
England my lionheart

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Nowhere Man said:
Election year. That should be self-explanatory.

If they're stuck in Washington, they probably won't win their insatiable quest for power.

No witnesses meant a speedy trial , and I bet they all packed up and ran out of the building to get on the campaign trail.
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I get the propaganda but there's a double edged sword here,by allowing witnesses and coming through it as innocent it would be pointy finger at the Dems for false charges and extra propaganda.
 
Koldo

Koldo

Outstanding Member
Shaul said:
There are so many reasons. One that comes to mind is that we settle our dispute through orderly processes. Even when passions run high within it, Americans are united by common ideals more than any passing factions.
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You couldn't possibly be any more wrong, even if you tried.
 
Quetzal

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
Audie said:
People in Hong Kong have other things to think about,
but this spectacle of childish self indulgent behaviour
on the part of the highest officials does not give us
good confidence in the USA.
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Fair enough, you don't have to go far into the US before you begin to hear criticisms of government officials, Congress especially.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
England my lionheart said:
So Richard Nixon was impeached for the same accusations as Trump but obviously didn't have the majority to block witnesses so he resigned before the shame of being kicked out of office.

Trump however had the 51 majority so witnesses blocked,if he was innocent of the accusations why not show your innocence by allowing witnesses instead there is always the doubt,or to some no doubt he's guilty as charged,just trying to understand it all.
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You dont get impeached for accusations, pal.

And it certainly was not for the same things.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Nowhere Man said:
He hasn't committed an offense in the first place aside from a breach of protocol.
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That's not true. He was impeached for two offenses. That the Senate chose not to remove him from office for these offenses doesn't change this fact.

And at the very least, he's been violating the emoluments clause ever since he took office, so that would be impeachable, should the House choose to pursue impeachment for this.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
9-10ths_Penguin said:
That's not true. He was impeached for two offenses. That the Senate chose not to remove him from office for these offenses doesn't change this fact.

And at the very least, he's been violating the emoluments clause ever since he took office, so that would be impeachable, should the House choose to pursue impeachment for this.
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He was impeached for offenses but that does not make them real
or of any significance if they are. Hell, how about a veto as
"Obstructing congress"!

The opposition was hysterical about him before he was elected.
Talking impeachment from day one.

So actions by other presidents that went un-noted while
Trump has been under the microscope of the lynch mob.

We do note, btw, that much of the same was said by
opponents of winston churchill, who incidentally
also had small hands.

Being also to note, I think the guy is a turd and I wish
he had not ever reached a higher station in life than
shoestore clerk.
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
England my lionheart said:
Nixon was impeached for abuse of power and obstructing justice yes?,I see Trump's impeachment was for the same.
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Article I, charging Nixon with obstruction of justice, alleged in part that:

Article II, charging Nixon with abuse of power, alleged in part that:

Article III, charging Nixon with contempt of Congress alleged in part that:

Since you know things, you can fill in the charges against
Trump, show that they are the same,
Match them up.

And if you are really good, show us the 17 minute tape that demonstrates any of it.
 
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