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Featured Are there Two Creation Events in Genesis?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by jhwatts, Sep 10, 2017.

  1. jhwatts

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    The real intent of the first chapters of Genesis is not to provide a record for the creation of the universe, earth, and its inhabitants. There are some useful pieces of the information about creation is in there but it is not the intent of Genesis. There are two different creations mentioned in Genesis. One creation becomes cursed and hence Gods wants it removed from the earth and replace it with a new creation made in his likeness. I am not going to go through the usual difference in Genesis 1 and 2 but rather show this conclusion a different way. Lets start by taking a look at the creation of beings who are made in his likeness.

    Genesis 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

    Now, lets take a look at another creation.

    Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    and

    Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

    We see that the animals and man in Eden (Notice Eden is not mentioned in Genesis 1) are made from the dust and dirt of the earth and are described by having the breath of life in their nostrils. Keep in mind these beings are of the earth and they have the breath of life in their nostrils.

    Most people will claim that both Genesis 1 and 2 are the same creation and the account in Genesis 2 is simply more detail of the first. They are two different collection of beings. Lets take a look at what got on the ark later in Genesis.

    Genesis 7: (13-15) 13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark; 14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort. 15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.

    We see that they are different. Those “after their kind” are placed on the ark. and those “wherein is the breath of life” are also placed on the ark.

    Now if we take a look at what occurs when Noah’s flood we can see the intent of the flood.

    Genesis 6 :7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

    God obviously wants to dispose of those “created from the face of the earth” and those created from the dust of the earth are in Genesis 2.

    Are there a difference between those on the ark and those on the land? Lets look at what got off the ark.

    Genesis 8:19 Every beast, every creeping thing, and every fowl, and whatsoever creepeth upon the earth, after their kinds, went forth out of the ark.

    Where did the ones that got on the ark “wherein is the breath of life” go?

    Genesis 6: (19-21) 19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female. 20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive. 21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

    We don't see them get off and it would seem they are eaten.

    Now we see that the creation from the dust of the earth was destroyed.

    Genesis 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: 22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

    Those preserved from the flood are those “after his kind” and those destroyed are of the creation from the dust of the earth. There is a significance in making the distinction of those “after heir kind” and those from the dust of the earth. I find this hard to call coincidence.

    Any thoughts?
     
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  2. It Aint Necessarily So

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  3. DavidFirth

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    How do they differ?
     
  4. jhwatts

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    Yes, but are there two different creations?

    Are those of the dust of the earth and those made in the likeness of God different?
     
  5. jhwatts

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    One is made from the dust of the earth and the other in the likeness of God.

    Notice the distinctions made during the story of Noah's flood. These are made clear for a purpose not to simply jumble both together.
     
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  7. DavidFirth

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    That's a good explanation of why they describe the same thing.
     
  8. Mister Silver

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  9. jhwatts

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    That's fine, but how do you draw your conclusion scripturally and how is what I have shown scripturally incorrect?
     
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  10. DavidFirth

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    The scripture draws it's own conclusion and doesn't need my opinion.

    Where did I say you were scripturally incorrect?
     
  11. shunyadragon

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    Actually maybe three Creations as St Augustine describes the first instantaneous Creation in Genesis 1:1

    Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God Created the Heaven and the earth.
     
  12. DavidFirth

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    There was only one creation. The scripture is quite clear on that.
     
  13. Mister Silver

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    You'll have to forgive David, he doesn't debate so much as provide an opinion without explanation.
     
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    I just cited St. Augustine's belief with no further comment.
     
  15. jhwatts

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    I jumped to a few conclusions myself.

    Apologies to him.
     
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    The goony bird making the pass in the dark of night and dumping the smelly load.
     
  17. Mister Silver

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    True, but I do respond in reasonable dialogue whether others agree or not. The reference is for those who do not dialogue with reason and logic.
     
  19. columbus

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    The redactors of Genesis put two mutually exclusive stories at the beginning.
    I think that's a not too subtle hint to avoid taking Scripture too literally.
    Tom
     
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