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This thread is not an attack on the Christian faith, but what I want to show is, what Jesus (pbuh) said, and what it says in the Bible, the Muslims follow aswell. Which to me further proves the point, that all the messengers of God came down to deliver the same message.
Firstly, I have read both the Bible and the Qur'an so I do have a wealthy understanding of both scriptures.
Jesus (pbuh) was undoubtedly a special blessed man, whom we as believers in God love as an example for us to live by. Therefore being a Christian requires the followers of Christianity to follow his teachings, that is the way a Christian should live.
However; Jesus (pbuh) was circumcised on the eighth day according to the Bible. All Muslims and to my knowledge Jews are circumcised, but many Christians are not.
In the Book of Leviticus; Chapter. 11; Verse 7-8:
11:7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven-footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
11:8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.
Pork is forbidden.
In the book of Deuteronomy; Chapter. 14; Verse 8:
14:8 And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass.
Again here, the Bible states that Pork is forbidden.
In the book of Isaiah; Chapter. 65; Verse 2-5:
65:2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;
65:3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
65:4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;
65:5 Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.
It clearly states that eating from this animal is forbidden, yet many Christians do eat from this animal, however Muslims do not.
Plus, alcohol is also prohibited in the Bible yet many Christians do consume it, but Muslims are prohibited from drinking it:
Proverbs 23:20f: "Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags."
Isaiah 5:11f: "Woe to those who rise early in the morning to run after their drinks, who stay up late at night till they are inflamed with wine. They have harps and lyres at their banquets, tambourines and flutes and wine, but they have no regard for the deeds of the LORD, no respect for the work of his hands."
Galatians 5:1921: "The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: ... drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."
Ephesians 5:18: "Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit."
If you say you love Jesus Christ but do not follow his teachings, then it appears that the love of Jesus (pbuh) that you have is false. The Muslims love Jesus (pbuh) as much as the Christians do, but they follow his teachings.
A final point, and the most important point is that in the Gospel of John, Chapter. 16; Verse 11-14:
16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Jesus (pbuh) here states that there is much to say to the people, but they will not be able to bear it now, so another final Prophet will come, who will not speak of himself, but what he will hear from God, he will also glorify me (Jesus (pbuh)). This man was the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh).
As a believer in God, people have always asked me am I a Christian or a Muslim, I always say to them, what is the difference? The original message is the same, man has corrupted it for other reasons.
Muslims are following the Christian way of living, and so are to the Christians who follow the teachings of Jesus (pbuh). There shouldn't be a divide in these 'religions', they preach the same message.
Firstly, I have read both the Bible and the Qur'an so I do have a wealthy understanding of both scriptures.
Jesus (pbuh) was undoubtedly a special blessed man, whom we as believers in God love as an example for us to live by. Therefore being a Christian requires the followers of Christianity to follow his teachings, that is the way a Christian should live.
However; Jesus (pbuh) was circumcised on the eighth day according to the Bible. All Muslims and to my knowledge Jews are circumcised, but many Christians are not.
In the Book of Leviticus; Chapter. 11; Verse 7-8:
11:7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven-footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
11:8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.
Pork is forbidden.
In the book of Deuteronomy; Chapter. 14; Verse 8:
14:8 And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass.
Again here, the Bible states that Pork is forbidden.
In the book of Isaiah; Chapter. 65; Verse 2-5:
65:2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;
65:3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
65:4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;
65:5 Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.
It clearly states that eating from this animal is forbidden, yet many Christians do eat from this animal, however Muslims do not.
Plus, alcohol is also prohibited in the Bible yet many Christians do consume it, but Muslims are prohibited from drinking it:
Proverbs 23:20f: "Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags."
Isaiah 5:11f: "Woe to those who rise early in the morning to run after their drinks, who stay up late at night till they are inflamed with wine. They have harps and lyres at their banquets, tambourines and flutes and wine, but they have no regard for the deeds of the LORD, no respect for the work of his hands."
Galatians 5:1921: "The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: ... drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."
Ephesians 5:18: "Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit."
If you say you love Jesus Christ but do not follow his teachings, then it appears that the love of Jesus (pbuh) that you have is false. The Muslims love Jesus (pbuh) as much as the Christians do, but they follow his teachings.
A final point, and the most important point is that in the Gospel of John, Chapter. 16; Verse 11-14:
16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Jesus (pbuh) here states that there is much to say to the people, but they will not be able to bear it now, so another final Prophet will come, who will not speak of himself, but what he will hear from God, he will also glorify me (Jesus (pbuh)). This man was the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh).
As a believer in God, people have always asked me am I a Christian or a Muslim, I always say to them, what is the difference? The original message is the same, man has corrupted it for other reasons.
Muslims are following the Christian way of living, and so are to the Christians who follow the teachings of Jesus (pbuh). There shouldn't be a divide in these 'religions', they preach the same message.
