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And the meek shall inherit the earth

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by dannyfrankszzz, Sep 22, 2004.

  1. dannyfrankszzz

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    My opinion on this quote from the Bible is that this kind of teaching was formulated by the religious leaders to keep the masses under control.

    Clearly, by convincing the indentured and servant classes that there is another power (God) controlling their fate, it would help to change their focus from their present day misery to a preferable fantasy inside their minds that cannot be achieved on earth, and therefore there is no reason to have any hope for one's earthly existence.

    For the average person, whose energies and willpower are limited, it doesn't require too much imagination to realise that one's existence is incredibly finite and ultimately irrelevant.
     
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  2. Mister Emu

    Mister Emu Emu Extraordinaire
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    The problem with this is, that the early Christians, teaching the same things, were by no means men of great wealth, or power, or influence. They had to hide themselves for fear of being killed just for being Christian.

    To say that this quote is intended to make the masses not care about this world is to ignore the history of Christianity.

    Actually, about 2 billion people proclaim themselves Christian, and another 1.3 billion proclaim islam. That is ~1/2 the population of the world right there. So for the average person whose energies and willpower are limited it is easy to recognize that there is a God, and our lives are not meaningless. :p
     
  3. thomasedison

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    They may not have great wealth, power or influence. But greatness does not come from having these qualities. Any murderer may have them. And they were certainly not meek. Meek is a person who submits to the other even if the meek person knows he is right.
     
  4. retrorich

    retrorich SUPER NOT-A-MOD

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    "And the meek shall inherit the earth."

    Yes.

    I believe that controlling the masses was one of the major motivations in the creation of religions in general. Man created God and gods to help control man.
     
  5. thomasedison

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    Good point.:)
    And it is used even now to manipulate the public. Look at how much influence the pope has among the people and the amount of influence socialism (as it uses somewhat the same lines) has even though it has never succeeded.
     
  6. Green Gaia

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    I don't think so. It seems that way now since man has institutionalized religion and given it power, but if you go back to the origin of religion, it was just people trying to explain and understand the world around them and themselves.
     
  7. Ronald

    Ronald Well-Known Member

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    Mt. 5:2 And He/Jesus/Yeshua opened his mouth and taught them.
    No doubt, He intended to control the masses. LOL
    Maybe, the words of "Clint Eastwood" would be better accepted "The meek ain't gonna inherit anything."
     
  8. Mr Spinkles

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    I can't say that those words were spoken/written down with the initial intent of controlling the masses, but I have little doubt that after Constantine, when the words "church leader" and "government leader" were one and the same, that the quote (and indeed the controlling power of a single, unifying religion in general) was used to control the masses. It is no small wonder that tyrants embraced Christianity because of these kinds of teachings--a convenient way to keep power.
     
  9. dannyfrankszzz

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    The meek sure as hell don't inherit squat except guilt complexes, fear and doubt, uncertainty, insecurity and an endless cycle of misery.
     
  10. Scott1

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    "Keep the masses under control".... that's cute.

    How'd that work out for Jesus? :( Not so good, huh?

    The Beatitudes are at the heart of Jesus' preaching. They take up the promises made to the chosen people since Abraham. The Beatitudes fulfill the promises by ordering them no longer merely to the possession of a territory, but to the Kingdom of heaven:


    Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
    Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
    Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
    Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
    Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.
    Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
    Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
    Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
    Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account.
    Rejoice and be glad,
    for your reward is great in heaven.


    The People of the "poor" - those who, humble and meek, rely solely on their God's mysterious plans, who await the justice, not of men but of the Messiah - are in the end the great achievement of the Holy Spirit's hidden mission during the time of the promises that prepare for Christ's coming. It is this quality of heart, purified and enlightened by the Spirit, which is expressed in the Psalms. In these poor, the Spirit is making ready "a people prepared for the Lord."

    Peace,
    Scott
     
  11. Ceridwen018

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    Good point, Scott.

    Jesus was a cool dude, whether or not he was the son of god. "The meek shall inherit the earth" fits right in with his pacifism-based teachings--people were supposed to recieve fullfillment from doing the right thing. Obviously, it is an easy case to claim that this virtue was exploited as the church became more political, but I don't believe that was the initial intent at all.
     
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    Exploited? Never heard of that one... it's kinda hard to "meekly" exploit someone. Hypocrisy, I am sure, has been around for a while, but it's kinda hard to believe that some used this tactic:
    I ORDER YOU TO BE MEEK! NOW! DO IT! HERETIC!:mad:

    :D
    Scott
     
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    Really? What about all of the heretic burnings and such? They were certainly dealt with forcefully...I'm just glad I don't live in the middle ages ;)
     
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    How do "heretic burnings" apply to the political aspect of the meek shall inherit the earth?

    They don't. It was NOT acting in that regard that those middle age Church leaders sinned.

    You still have not shown how "this virtue was exploited as the church became more political".
    :D
    Scott
     
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    Of course not, Scott, that's the point--they taught everyone else to be meek, while the State/Church got wealthier and more powerful.
     
  16. Feathers in Hair

    Feathers in Hair World's Tallest Hobbit

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    Kind of sad that you're not able to see that the beauty of being meek is just that. A person who is meek is usually gentle and compassionate. This does not mean they are necessarily willing to let people trample them.Whether or not they allow themselves 'guilt complexes... etc.' is up to the individual, and there are hundreds of variations on it. I see myself as very meek, and would allow someone to insult me a hundredfold before taking offense. If the same person, though, insulted anyone else without just provocation, I would be the first one to call out that individual.

    Being meek doesn't mean you're stupid or insecure. Imagine, for example, a wolfhound trying to take on a sheep. That sheep might not fight back for itself. If that same wolfhound tried to take on a lamb that that sheep had raised, though... The wolfhound would 'inherit' a darn good kicking. Maybe that's what being meek is about? Seeing the whole world as your lamb.
     
  17. Ceridwen018

    Ceridwen018 Well-Known Member

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    Well, I don't know about showing you, but I could certainly tell you. The virtue was exploited by the church in an attempt to control the masses, as well as get money out of them in most cases. All I'm saying, is that that wasn't the initial intent for establishing such a virtue in the first place.

    I am NOT saying that Catholicism or even Christianity is totally corrupt...I'm just saying that in the past, it was at least--we'll say 3/4's corrupt...I don't think you can argue with that...
     
  18. Hope

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    I couldn't have said it better, Feathersinhair. I agree in that it seems many have a total misconception of what 'meekness' really is. Meekness is not the same thing as weakness. Meekness is a virtue, a quality that shows strength in one's character, not a lack of strength in one's character. Even Jesus referred to Himself as being meek. A synonym for meekness is humility.
     
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    "Seek​
    Jehovah, All You Meek Ones"





    "SEEK Jehovah, all you meek ones of the earth, who have practiced His own judicial decision. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably you may be concealed in the day of Jehovah’s anger."—Zephaniah 2:3.​

    The prophet Zephaniah addressed those words to the "meek ones of the earth," and he urged them to "seek meekness" in order to be protected in "the day of Jehovah’s anger." It leaves little doubt that meekness is a prerequisite for survival. But why?​



    Why​
    Seek Meekness?





    Meekness is the quality of being of mild character, free from arrogance or conceit. It is closely related to other virtues, such as humility and mildness. That being so, meek persons are teachable and are willing to accept discipline from God’s hand, even though it may seem grievous for the moment.—Psalm 25:9; Hebrews 12:4-11.​

    In itself meekness may have little to do with one’s education or station in life. However, those who are highly educated or successful in a worldly way tend to feel that they are qualified to make decisions for themselves in everything, even in matters of worship. This can hinder them from allowing another person to teach them something or from accepting counsel and making necessary changes in their lives. Others who are materially rich may fall into the erroneous thinking that their security lies in their material possessions. Hence, they feel no need for the spiritual riches from God’s Word, the Bible.—Matthew 4:4; 5:3; 1 Timothy 6:17.​

    Consider the scribes, the Pharisees, and the chief priests of Jesus’ day. On one occasion when the officers they sent to arrest Jesus returned without him, the Pharisees said: "You have not been misled also, have you? Not one of the rulers or of the Pharisees has put faith in him, has he? But this crowd that does not know the Law are accursed people." (John 7:45-49) In other words, to them, only the ignorant and uneducated would be naive enough to believe in Jesus.​

    Even so, some Pharisees were drawn to the truth, and they even defended Jesus and the Christians. Among these were Nicodemus and Gamaliel. (John 7:50-52; Acts 5:34-40) After Jesus’ death, "a great crowd of priests began to be obedient to the faith." (Acts 6:7) Undoubtedly the most outstanding example was the apostle Paul. He was educated at the feet of Gamaliel and became a highly accomplished and respected advocate of Judaism. However, in time he responded humbly to Christ Jesus’ call and became his zealous follower.—Acts 22:3; 26:4, 5; Galatians 1:14-24; 1 Timothy 1:12-16.​

    All of this illustrates that no matter what one’s background may be or how one may now feel about the message from the Bible, the words of Zephaniah still apply. If one wants to be approved by God and be guided by his Word, meekness is indispensable.so yes ,the meek will inherit the earth.

     
  20. jewscout

    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    To some degree i have to agree with you. The early Church pushed the concept of not worrying about this world but to focus on the next. Your lot in this life isn't what is important, but what will come for you in the next.
     
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