LightofTruth
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Babies are dead until they're born?
What then is that heartbeat thing all about?
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Abortion and a Living Soul
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What then is that heartbeat thing all about?
People disagree and it's a hot-button issue.
The prophet of my church happens to be a world-renowned surgeon... he invented open-heart surgery...
here's his take...
Abortion: An Assault on the Defenseless
LightofTruth
Well-Known Member
I think the surgeon makes a valid point with the astronaut analogy. The choice to quit being an astronaut must happen before he's in the launching ship.
Thank you. I personally feel the baby isn't alive until birth because it doesn't make meaningful decisions, but then again in the cosmic scheme of things do we really want to waste our sex drive?...
Also, Noah's ark: water rose 40 days, lasted 190 days. 40 days is earliest fetus can have a life-long memory and last day before a woman knows she is pregnant for sure. About 190 days and the fetus can feel pain, like from the abortion.
Philosophy must ride the tiger. This is not a matter in which people are reasonable. There was a time when people didn't think about this, and we aren't prepared to think about it, now.
The adam in genesis 1 wasn't formed from the ground. It was formed by a sound vibration
I'm dealing specifically with people's belief on abortion and what constitutes life. Is it a life if it's on totally dependent upon something external to self? I'm not discussing the idea of evolution.
Most of the right to lifers base their stance off of their beliefs. I'm questioning that belief and what is life. In order to understand the stance, I'm trying to understand how they arrived at this conclusion. Religious beliefs based on lack of evidence doesn't have a practical application sometimes. It's just fantasy
True but Jesus said the flesh counts for nothing
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
So would you say anything with a heartbeat is alive? The unborn baby is preparing for birth and that requires that the heart must start doing it's job. Some babies even have bowel movement while in the womb. Is that also proof of life? Or just signs that all systems are getting ready?
So a soul is an "electrical body?"
The nervous system, and even individual cells and tissues, have electrical components, but this doesn't strike me as a soul. Earthworms have this same electrical activity, but I'm thinking you believe only humans have souls. If not, stepping on an ant would be the equivalent of shooting your grandma.
If soul is some unique electrical entity or configuration within a human body human, where is it? Medicine has found nothing like this. Electrically, we have nothing a cat doesn't have.
But this is just religious folklore, no different from the mythology of a hundred other religions. There's no more empirical support for this than there is for the legends of Narnia or Middle Earth.
You're just preaching.
It's not a question of human (species). A sperm cell is human.
Souls might be relevant, but no-one's ever found a soul, they're just hypothetical, religious folklore.
What's relevant, in my mind, is personhood. A person is sentient, it can feel pain, joy, fear, happiness. It anticipates futurity. These are the qualities we actually use in assessing our moral obligations to others.
firedragon
Veteran Member
In 4 weeks of pregnancy there is a heartbeat.
When did Nicholas Nickleby or Harry Potter become human?
I'd say the author intended the latter.
The answer is ambiguous. It's still an example of H sap sap, and any museum showing the bones would put it with the humans.
But I was present when my father died, and in the next half hour, by a subtle but steady process of losing the signs of life, he ceased to exist ─ the sense that he'd somehow gone away was very strong ─ and his body was no longer my father, just clay. Part of me watched the process, fascinated to be informed, and part of me was deeply moved, though ─ how to phrase it?─ not in a surprising way.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
When life in the presence of all God states dies and decomposes, then isn't that murder of a baby, a child, a teenager, an adult, an old person at any time that the situation is inherited in life?
The answer for a human doing a science biological Genesis appraisal on why life died unnaturally historically would quote.....all babies become adults, and all adults were once children.
Yet in the presence of God we all die. God statements for human life survival quote do not harm the child. For we live through that living sequence.
So if you asked a scientific biological question, you would give yourself a biological scientific answer also.
For the study was why a baby born only lived to the adult age of the life of 33 years of age, when they were meant to live by C evaluation 100 year average life span.
How it was reviewed.
Previously life was said in the Moses irradiation underground living state to live for about 40 years of age, supported by the flooding atmospheric theme, rained for 40 years, life was unliveable above ground reasoning. 40 days and 40 nights of rain life was supported to live for about 40 years.
As a teaching, why life only survived for 40 years of age after its mutation.
13,000-year-old skeleton sheds light on Native American ancestry
Modern life today would quote if a baby is only created by the act of choice of human sex...and before that quote it was just sperm and an ovary, and one day will die anyway in the presence of God, then is the life removal what the Bible is discussing.
The answer is no, common sense says so. It is a moral or self ethical reasoning about acceptance or non acceptance of human death at any age or forming sequence...when God as the status owns the death at any sequence itself.
Rationally.
Any historic medical scientific Genetic reasoning is actually quoted from a historic evolving psyche mind/brain chemical awareness, that was historically in science machine causes irradiated. Having gained new irradiation in the 2000 year ago attack, the human historic recording tried to explain the scientific evaluation to its best ability.
How it is interpreted today is factually based on the morality or the immorality of the person who seeks wisdom or seeks power. Why the interpretation is actually involved in a pre motivated human thought function, and human want....which any assessment needs to include to conclude if the person is seeking to own correct teachings or is just after notification of how to abstract new but old scientific information, as they forgot what they did in old technological theorising.
Which in fact has nothing at all to do with the living human other than the living human seeks the knowledge for machine reactions.
The answer for a human doing a science biological Genesis appraisal on why life died unnaturally historically would quote.....all babies become adults, and all adults were once children.
Yet in the presence of God we all die. God statements for human life survival quote do not harm the child. For we live through that living sequence.
So if you asked a scientific biological question, you would give yourself a biological scientific answer also.
For the study was why a baby born only lived to the adult age of the life of 33 years of age, when they were meant to live by C evaluation 100 year average life span.
How it was reviewed.
Previously life was said in the Moses irradiation underground living state to live for about 40 years of age, supported by the flooding atmospheric theme, rained for 40 years, life was unliveable above ground reasoning. 40 days and 40 nights of rain life was supported to live for about 40 years.
As a teaching, why life only survived for 40 years of age after its mutation.
13,000-year-old skeleton sheds light on Native American ancestry
Modern life today would quote if a baby is only created by the act of choice of human sex...and before that quote it was just sperm and an ovary, and one day will die anyway in the presence of God, then is the life removal what the Bible is discussing.
The answer is no, common sense says so. It is a moral or self ethical reasoning about acceptance or non acceptance of human death at any age or forming sequence...when God as the status owns the death at any sequence itself.
Rationally.
Any historic medical scientific Genetic reasoning is actually quoted from a historic evolving psyche mind/brain chemical awareness, that was historically in science machine causes irradiated. Having gained new irradiation in the 2000 year ago attack, the human historic recording tried to explain the scientific evaluation to its best ability.
How it is interpreted today is factually based on the morality or the immorality of the person who seeks wisdom or seeks power. Why the interpretation is actually involved in a pre motivated human thought function, and human want....which any assessment needs to include to conclude if the person is seeking to own correct teachings or is just after notification of how to abstract new but old scientific information, as they forgot what they did in old technological theorising.
Which in fact has nothing at all to do with the living human other than the living human seeks the knowledge for machine reactions.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Adam is a fictional character in a mythical story.
A body is human when it has human dna.