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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by kjw47, Mar 19, 2018.

  1. whirlingmerc

    whirlingmerc Well-Known Member

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    Sadly, people tend to caricature others who disagree and opposing views and listening to you and treating them well is a good thing to do

    The love of god
     
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    Show us all--Where does it say the Holy spirit gets worship? Or its YOU who are adding what is not there.
     
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    A god = has godlike qualities but is not the true living God--God did it all through Jesus-Acts 2:22-John 5:30)
     
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    One gets disfellowshipped for being unrepentant of their- own -wrong doing or thinking.
    The bible teaches all will become one uder Jehovah and Jesus with them. You are correct--no individual false reasonings allowed-1Cor 1:10)-- unity of thought= Gods thought.
     
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    Wow--you really have it twisted in your made up false reasonings, Caused by a lack of true knowledge.
     
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    All those parts have become-ONE- no self thinking or false reasonings are allowed. Gods will is all that counts( Matt 7:21)
     
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    I understand Gods will that is why I cannot understand those two false reasonings you mentioned. Neither is Gods will.
     
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    Any reference of god without referring to God himself, sounds pagan (aka non abrahamic). Jews only believe in one god. Romans many. So, the connection is more so the latter than the former.

    It jesus is human (if he was not equal to his father), his father cannot work through him. He would be just like you and I. Perfection is aligned with divinity. You dont have to use the word trinity to believe in its definition and concept. Its a christian teaching. Whether you want to define jesus' relationship with god by how people express this union is on you. Biblical there is a relationship. When you have a relationship between three things father. Human son. Son's spirit) you technically have whats called a tri-nity.

    You dont need to use the word or express it that way to believe it.
     
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    Worship means devotion to something or someone of worth.

    When yoi believe in god, you are filled with the Holy Spirit of grace. Acts 6:8 jesus was full of gods grace and power. Being human he also shared the divinity of his father. That divinity is spirit (breathe of life/god). Without god, christ could do nothing. Holy spirit means grace.

    God showed his love through christ . Romans 5:8 The holy spirit (spirit that is holy; adjective describing god) is love.

    Holy spirit is righteousness.
    Itd justice.
    Its sacrifice
    Its salvation

    That is what the the spirit does. Christians call god's spirit, his breathe, holy because they put high emphesis on the divinity of god.

    I dont know how you or JW describe gods love. Unless you guys are filled with hate, love, grace, etc are a part of you. The worship is living in the spirit. If you do not worship, you do not live with god.

    Dont insult my intelligence. No need to caps. Reread the bible about gods love, grace, righteousness.

    If these things are not holy in nature, what are they?

    NOT from people but from scripture only.
     
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    @kjw47

    Three other questions.

    Does god teach you to critize others faith and opinion?

    Does christ teach you that to believe in him you have to critize others as a sign of devotion?

    In your heart, does love for god and grace you get from him involve critizing another persons faith?

    I never heard JW witness in person critize as a core tenent of its view of the bible. But if its part of your faith, its very unattractive.
     
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    Lots of mumbo jumbo soup. Jesus taught truth--John 20:17, Rev 3:12. John 17:1-6,26)--- any other teaching is calling Jesus a liar.
     
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    I don't need to re read--The only ones getting grace are those who live now to do Jesus fathers will( Matt 7:21)-- most cant get by Jesus to get to the Father.
     
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    Jesus called Gods chosen ones-- whitewashed graves-Matt 23:27-28--then went on to tell them they were no longer Gods chosen-Matt 23:37-39)
    They could listen or lose--it goes for all.
    Its the ear ticklers who lack truth.
     
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    Lets go through your verses if you dont to have a full real conversation (didnt know scripture was mumbo jumbo. Unless it looses its truth when not spoken by christian :confused:)

    Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

    Yes.

    1. Jesus is human
    2. Father is spirit
    3. Both share divinity
    4. Thata the trinity

    17 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

    My point exactly.

    Didnt know regular humans can do this.

    Now please address my post
     
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    Thats why you are debating against the wind. Why debate?

    Take your time and read my posts.

    I am not a trinitian.
    I am not a christian.

    Trinity is in the bible

    Ita the relationship between father, son, and spirit/love/grace

    Anything else you are adding to what is not written in scripture

    Read this
     
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    How does this relate to your earlier points?

    Scripture does not speak for itself.

    Converse.
     
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    Does god provoke you to speak against others?

    It is not attractive and I never read jesus being so hsrsh.
     
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    If truth disappears when a non JW reads scripture, skip this since you don't like to converse.

    1. God is the father/creator Isaiah 42:5
    2. Jesus is the son 1 John 4:15
    3. Holy Spirit is love and grace Micah 3:8-10 and Acts 6:8 and so forth

    John 3:6-8

    They are in relationship with each other
    1. 1 Corinthians 3:23 (father to his son) and above god's grace/his spirit

    Holy is an adjective
    Spirit is god and of god

    It's English. Don't know how its translated in other languages.

    The father, the creator, has a son. The son, who died and resurrected on the cross brings love and grace to believers. When believers are born again in the spirit (life/breathe) of god through christ, they are one with the father. You are one with the father through christ. Being that christ cannot be with you without god's love and grace, that spirit, that christ, and that father are in you simultaneously.

    That simultaneous unity is called the tri-nity.

    Anything else you are adding has nothing to do with scripture unless you think it's all mumbo jumbo unless it comes from your lips.

    :herb: Now.

    If you want to talk about what these scriptures mean in relation to the trinity, I'm all for it.

    If you want to insult my intelligence, then no, there is no discussion.

    I do not debate any scripture's divinity nor authenticity.

    That is all christian.

    Very unattractive.

    Edit: Read the trinity in relation to the bible not man, you will get it.




     
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    Paul already answered-1Cor 8:6--There is one God to all-the Father.
     
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