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A rare occurence from God

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
@kjw47

Trinity:

Jesus the human is perfect. (Savior)
Jesus as spirit is perfect (Holy Spirit)
Jesus' father YHWH is perfect (the creator)

Perfection=divinity: Divinity means god.

Jesus is god (shares in bis fathers divinity) John 10:30
The holy spirit is god (spirit of life/salvation/annointment) John 3:5-6
The father is god (the creator)

All are perfect
All are divine
All are god

That is the trinity

Anything else, youre reading into too much with the language and expressions of faith. Its very simple.
 

tayla

My dog's name is Tayla
What I did find on RF is christians have a tendency to tell atheists how wrong we are.
What forums do you refer to that are more accepting and respectful?

Yes, I accept science but also believe in God and a spiritual realm. Does that make me enemies with those who don't? No, of course not. Only if we don't respect each others' dignity and their right to hold opposing views.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
What forums do you refer to that are more accepting and respectful?

Yes, I accept science but also believe in God and a spiritual realm. Does that make me enemies with those who don't? No, of course not. Only if we don't respect each others' dignity and their right to hold opposing views.

Actually, Suttacentral is very good at respectful crowd. Though, many there are monks and long time Buddhist practitioners in study and/or culture that if someone from the "outside" comes on theyd probably be intimedated to cause a recus since subjects arent lighthearted.

Another forum I go to are specific to LGBTQ so most of the time its people finding their place in a disrespectful world to share like feelings on just being human.

I never got the same peace in a christian chat as I do in these two forums, for example. Christians bicker among themselves more than I see Buddhist do online.

RF is a smorgasboarg of thought. I observe christians put down atheists a lot mainly I see three major themes: I want to tell you about christ even if you want to talk about sports. Another, we can talk about christ but you have to agree with everything I say about him. Others dont say much because they dont want to throw pearls among swine.

The only thing in Buddhist forums I got, not suttacentral, is that a Kadampa Buddhist cant talk about his "demomination". A christian site I drop in on doesnt allow JW and LDS to call themselves christians on their site.

So, no one is special. The idea is we all have a min to read what we post and see if its aligned with our moral character. If anything, whats online is most likely how people really act. Online you can get away with being yourself; you just talking to strangers. In person, not so easy.

It depends. Just a highly accurate observation from being here to darn long.

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Muffled

Jesus in me
I don't know. I understand that it is symbolic. To eat his flesh and to drink his blood means to become more and more like him. I don't believe the Quakers don't do that. I don't know about the others.

I believe the Friends meeting I attended didn't do it but then we had a Buddhist and Pagan attending and even the Hymn singing was held apart from the main service.

I believe it is symbolic of having Jesus in us but not by ingestion of bread and wine but by the Spirit of God.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
No one knows they are in error until truth is found.

I believe my experience with JW's talking face to face is that when the argument shows they have clay feet they just duck the conversation. Then again I have found this true of a variety of debaters on RF. If the argument isn't going their way they bug out.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
@kjw47 I have been thinking. I do believe that Jehovah can bless thinking apart from you are and yours.

It is written, "13 Now, however, these three remain: faith, hope, love; but the greatest of these is love.+"

I know that Jehovah's Witnesses are taught that what remains is righteousness, but I do not know why they believe that it is what the Bible really teaches. I also realize that the people that the Watchtower draws are attracted to what hope it teaches them and that They trust that the only faith that is acceptable by God in these last days is the faith they have in their governing body.

Now, let's talk about LOVE. Love is kind. Love does not look for its own interest. But, when the elders decide to disfellowship someone they do so for their own interest and that it is never kind.

Just saying.
 
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kjw47

Well-Known Member
Please read:

Jesus is a human. (Flesh and blood)

He is human like you and I. (Just as you and I)

If not (if he is perfect) he is align with god.
(You Kjw said he is perfect)

Perfect is aligned with god: that is the trinity.

Again.

What makes the human jesus not god and perfect at the same time?


Here is the spirit Jesus telling you he has a God--Rev 3:12--When he returned to heaven, he sat at Gods right hand---Did he sit at his own right hand? God made Jesus perfect as a mortal. Its the only way justice could be applied--All of Gods ways are justice( Deut 32:4)
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
@kjw47

Trinity:

Jesus the human is perfect. (Savior)
Jesus as spirit is perfect (Holy Spirit)
Jesus' father YHWH is perfect (the creator)

Perfection=divinity: Divinity means god.

Jesus is god (shares in bis fathers divinity) John 10:30
The holy spirit is god (spirit of life/salvation/annointment) John 3:5-6
The father is god (the creator)

All are perfect
All are divine
All are god

That is the trinity

Anything else, youre reading into too much with the language and expressions of faith. Its very simple.



Fact--The Father has a name-YHVH(Jehovah) -- the son has a name--Jesus)--Holy spirit--0

In trinity translations--Father gets worship---Jesus gets worship( error)--Holy spirit--0
The Father gets honor, glory--- he shares those with the son---Holy spirit--0
John 17:3-- One must know the Father and the son to get eternal life--Holy spirit--0

In every instance--Holy spirit--0-- it is not a living being.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
I believe my experience with JW's talking face to face is that when the argument shows they have clay feet they just duck the conversation. Then again I have found this true of a variety of debaters on RF. If the argument isn't going their way they bug out.



No one knows it all. And certain subjects have much more weight.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
@kjw47 I have been thinking. I do believe that Jehovah can bless thinking apart from you are and yours.

It is written, "13 Now, however, these three remain: faith, hope, love; but the greatest of these is love.+"

I know that Jehovah's Witnesses are taught that what remains is righteousness, but I do not know why they believe that it is what the Bible really teaches. I also realize that the people that the Watchtower draws are attracted to what hope it teaches them and that They trust that the only faith that is acceptable by God in these last days is the faith they have in their governing body.

Now, let's talk about LOVE. Love is kind. Love does not look for its own interest. But, when the elders decide to disfellowship someone they do so for their own interest and that it is never kind.

Just saying.



I doubt in 99% of all disfellowshipping it is for Elders interests. They would have 0 to gain by disfellowshipping one. You reason falsely.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Fact--The Father has a name-YHVH(Jehovah) -- the son has a name--Jesus)--Holy spirit--0

In trinity translations--Father gets worship---Jesus gets worship( error)--Holy spirit--0
The Father gets honor, glory--- he shares those with the son---Holy spirit--0
John 17:3-- One must know the Father and the son to get eternal life--Holy spirit--0

In every instance--Holy spirit--0-- it is not a living being.

Father is worshiped because he is the creator

Jesus is worshiped because the only way you know the creator is through his son

The holy spirit is worshiped by grace and love within the believer by god through the son

Youre looking more into the trinity than whats in the bible
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Here is the spirit Jesus telling you he has a God--Rev 3:12--When he returned to heaven, he sat at Gods right hand---Did he sit at his own right hand? God made Jesus perfect as a mortal. Its the only way justice could be applied--All of Gods ways are justice( Deut 32:4)

I dont understand the use of "a god" sounds pagan

God: perfection, divinity, spirit

Jesus: perfection, divinity, spirit

God: creator, being

Jesus: son, flesh/human

Both share the same nature: pefection, love, etc

Both differ in nature: one human the other being

No one says jesus IS the creator

Its always: through, in, as, within, by. Never Is.

When two people marry, they are one. When someone refers to one spouse they are talking of both spouses because by marriage they are one. Thats how the trinity works.

Another way to see it is pick it apart in english.

Tri-three
-in one together

Duality (two)

Unity (one)

If they were each other, it would be a unity. It is not. Its a trinity.

It is easy to understand and the bible backs it up. Youre reading into trinitarian use of expression way too much.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I doubt in 99% of all disfellowshipping it is for Elders interests. They would have 0 to gain by disfellowshipping one. You reason falsely.
You misunderstand. There are no individuals in the organization. It is the One Mind. When they disfellowship someone it is always to protect the One Mind. That is selfish, imo.
When they act tough they get respect from the governing body.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
@kjw47 When a person is disfellowshipped it isn't for a lack of faith. It usually isn't because the person has no hope. It isn't because the person doesn't love Jehovah or Jesus or the other people. It is because in the opinion of the governing body and the elders, the person has behaved unrighteously. But, please look at the scripture again!

And now these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love. 1 Corinthians 13:13

Do you see that righteousness remains?

But, a person gets disfellowshipped because the elders selfishly think that they know the righteous remain.

Matthew 7:22
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Imagine that Jesus himself told you @kjw47 that what is written about disfellowshipping was written only for the 144,000 and that it is a spiritual concept. In other words, it means that you must not assume that a liar, a thief, or a fornicator will ever exist in the body of Christ.

Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ.
1 Corinthians 12:12

Would you believe Jesus? Or will you put all your faith in those men? Psalms 146:3
 

Oeste

Well-Known Member
Here is the spirit Jesus telling you he has a God--Rev 3:12--When he returned to heaven, he sat at Gods right hand---Did he sit at his own right hand? God made Jesus perfect as a mortal. Its the only way justice could be applied--All of Gods ways are justice( Deut 32:4)

You joined the forum in 2009, made over 3,000 posts and still don't understand the difference between a Trinitarian and a Modalist?

Sad.

But if and when the Watchtower ever decides to print an issue explaining the difference between Trinitarianism and Modalism (rather than lumping them together) you will understand every nuance immediately.

Amazing.
 
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