A rare occurence from God

[whirlingmerc]

What forums do you refer to that are more accepting and respectful?

Yes, I accept science but also believe in God and a spiritual realm. Does that make me enemies with those who don't? No, of course not. Only if we don't respect each others' dignity and their right to hold opposing views.

Sadly, people tend to caricature others who disagree and opposing views and listening to you and treating them well is a good thing to do

The love of god

 

[kjw47]

Father is worshiped because he is the creator

Jesus is worshiped because the only way you know the creator is through his son

The holy spirit is worshiped by grace and love within the believer by god through the son

Youre looking more into the trinity than whats in the bible

Show us all--Where does it say the Holy spirit gets worship? Or its YOU who are adding what is not there.

 

[kjw47]

I dont understand the use of "a god" sounds pagan

God: perfection, divinity, spirit

Jesus: perfection, divinity, spirit

God: creator, being

Jesus: son, flesh/human

Both share the same nature: pefection, love, etc

Both differ in nature: one human the other being

No one says jesus IS the creator

Its always: through, in, as, within, by. Never Is.

When two people marry, they are one. When someone refers to one spouse they are talking of both spouses because by marriage they are one. Thats how the trinity works.

Another way to see it is pick it apart in english.

Tri-three
-in one together

Duality (two)

Unity (one)

If they were each other, it would be a unity. It is not. Its a trinity.

It is easy to understand and the bible backs it up. Youre reading into trinitarian use of expression way too much.

A god = has godlike qualities but is not the true living God--God did it all through Jesus-Acts 2:22-John 5:30)

 

[kjw47]

You misunderstand. There are no individuals in the organization. It is the One Mind. When they disfellowship someone it is always to protect the One Mind. That is selfish, imo.
When they act tough they get respect from the governing body.

One gets disfellowshipped for being unrepentant of their- own -wrong doing or thinking.
The bible teaches all will become one uder Jehovah and Jesus with them. You are correct--no individual false reasonings allowed-1Cor 1:10)-- unity of thought= Gods thought.

 

[kjw47]

@kjw47 When a person is disfellowshipped it isn't for a lack of faith. It usually isn't because the person has no hope. It isn't because the person doesn't love Jehovah or Jesus or the other people. It is because in the opinion of the governing body and the elders, the person has behaved unrighteously. But, please look at the scripture again!

And now these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love. 1 Corinthians 13:13

Do you see that righteousness remains?

But, a person gets disfellowshipped because the elders selfishly think that they know the righteous remain.

Matthew 7:22

Wow--you really have it twisted in your made up false reasonings, Caused by a lack of true knowledge.

 

[kjw47]

Imagine that Jesus himself told you @kjw47 that what is written about disfellowshipping was written only for the 144,000 and that it is a spiritual concept. In other words, it means that you must not assume that a liar, a thief, or a fornicator will ever exist in the body of Christ.

Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ.
1 Corinthians 12:12

Would you believe Jesus? Or will you put all your faith in those men? Psalms 146:3

All those parts have become-ONE- no self thinking or false reasonings are allowed. Gods will is all that counts( Matt 7:21)

 

[kjw47]

You joined the forum in 2009, made over 3,000 posts and still don't understand the difference between a Trinitarian and a Modalist?

Sad.

But if and when the Watchtower ever decides to print an issue explaining the difference between Trinitarianism and Modalism (rather than lumping them together) you will understand every nuance immediately.

Amazing.

I understand Gods will that is why I cannot understand those two false reasonings you mentioned. Neither is Gods will.

 

[kjw47]

John 12:48

The love of god

So what is your question?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

A god = has godlike qualities but is not the true living God--God did it all through Jesus-Acts 2:22-John 5:30)

Any reference of god without referring to God himself, sounds pagan (aka non abrahamic). Jews only believe in one god. Romans many. So, the connection is more so the latter than the former.

It jesus is human (if he was not equal to his father), his father cannot work through him. He would be just like you and I. Perfection is aligned with divinity. You dont have to use the word trinity to believe in its definition and concept. Its a christian teaching. Whether you want to define jesus' relationship with god by how people express this union is on you. Biblical there is a relationship. When you have a relationship between three things father. Human son. Son's spirit) you technically have whats called a tri-nity.

You dont need to use the word or express it that way to believe it.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Show us all--Where does it say the Holy spirit gets worship? Or its YOU who are adding what is not there.

Worship means devotion to something or someone of worth.

When yoi believe in god, you are filled with the Holy Spirit of grace. Acts 6:8 jesus was full of gods grace and power. Being human he also shared the divinity of his father. That divinity is spirit (breathe of life/god). Without god, christ could do nothing. Holy spirit means grace.

God showed his love through christ . Romans 5:8 The holy spirit (spirit that is holy; adjective describing god) is love.

Holy spirit is righteousness.
Itd justice.
Its sacrifice
Its salvation

That is what the the spirit does. Christians call god's spirit, his breathe, holy because they put high emphesis on the divinity of god.

I dont know how you or JW describe gods love. Unless you guys are filled with hate, love, grace, etc are a part of you. The worship is living in the spirit. If you do not worship, you do not live with god.

Dont insult my intelligence. No need to caps. Reread the bible about gods love, grace, righteousness.

If these things are not holy in nature, what are they?

NOT from people but from scripture only.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

@kjw47

Three other questions.

Does god teach you to critize others faith and opinion?

Does christ teach you that to believe in him you have to critize others as a sign of devotion?

In your heart, does love for god and grace you get from him involve critizing another persons faith?

I never heard JW witness in person critize as a core tenent of its view of the bible. But if its part of your faith, its very unattractive.

 

[kjw47]

Any reference of god without referring to God himself, sounds pagan (aka non abrahamic). Jews only believe in one god. Romans many. So, the connection is more so the latter than the former.

It jesus is human (if he was not equal to his father), his father cannot work through him. He would be just like you and I. Perfection is aligned with divinity. You dont have to use the word trinity to believe in its definition and concept. Its a christian teaching. Whether you want to define jesus' relationship with god by how people express this union is on you. Biblical there is a relationship. When you have a relationship between three things father. Human son. Son's spirit) you technically have whats called a tri-nity.

You dont need to use the word or express it that way to believe it.

Lots of mumbo jumbo soup. Jesus taught truth--John 20:17, Rev 3:12. John 17:1-6,26)--- any other teaching is calling Jesus a liar.

 

[kjw47]

Worship means devotion to something or someone of worth.

When yoi believe in god, you are filled with the Holy Spirit of grace. Acts 6:8 jesus was full of gods grace and power. Being human he also shared the divinity of his father. That divinity is spirit (breathe of life/god). Without god, christ could do nothing. Holy spirit means grace.

God showed his love through christ . Romans 5:8 The holy spirit (spirit that is holy; adjective describing god) is love.

Holy spirit is righteousness.
Itd justice.
Its sacrifice
Its salvation

That is what the the spirit does. Christians call god's spirit, his breathe, holy because they put high emphesis on the divinity of god.

I dont know how you or JW describe gods love. Unless you guys are filled with hate, love, grace, etc are a part of you. The worship is living in the spirit. If you do not worship, you do not live with god.

Dont insult my intelligence. No need to caps. Reread the bible about gods love, grace, righteousness.

If these things are not holy in nature, what are they?

NOT from people but from scripture only.

I don't need to re read--The only ones getting grace are those who live now to do Jesus fathers will( Matt 7:21)-- most cant get by Jesus to get to the Father.

 

[kjw47]

@kjw47

Three other questions.

Does god teach you to critize others faith and opinion?

Does christ teach you that to believe in him you have to critize others as a sign of devotion?

In your heart, does love for god and grace you get from him involve critizing another persons faith?

I never heard JW witness in person critize as a core tenent of its view of the bible. But if its part of your faith, its very unattractive.

Jesus called Gods chosen ones-- whitewashed graves-Matt 23:27-28--then went on to tell them they were no longer Gods chosen-Matt 23:37-39)
They could listen or lose--it goes for all.
Its the ear ticklers who lack truth.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Lots of mumbo jumbo soup. Jesus taught truth--John 20:17, Rev 3:12. John 17:1-6,26)--- any other teaching is calling Jesus a liar.

Lets go through your verses if you dont to have a full real conversation (didnt know scripture was mumbo jumbo. Unless it looses its truth when not spoken by christian )

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Yes.

1. Jesus is human
2. Father is spirit
3. Both share divinity
4. Thata the trinity

17 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

My point exactly.

Didnt know regular humans can do this.

Now please address my post

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I don't need to re read--The only ones getting grace are those who live now to do Jesus fathers will( Matt 7:21)-- most cant get by Jesus to get to the Father.

Thats why you are debating against the wind. Why debate?

Take your time and read my posts.

I am not a trinitian.
I am not a christian.

Trinity is in the bible

Ita the relationship between father, son, and spirit/love/grace

Anything else you are adding to what is not written in scripture

Read this

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Jesus called Gods chosen ones-- whitewashed graves-Matt 23:27-28--then went on to tell them they were no longer Gods chosen-Matt 23:37-39)
They could listen or lose--it goes for all.
Its the ear ticklers who lack truth.

How does this relate to your earlier points?

Scripture does not speak for itself.

Converse.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Jesus called Gods chosen ones-- whitewashed graves-Matt 23:27-28--then went on to tell them they were no longer Gods chosen-Matt 23:37-39)
They could listen or lose--it goes for all.
Its the ear ticklers who lack truth.

Does god provoke you to speak against others?

It is not attractive and I never read jesus being so hsrsh.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If truth disappears when a non JW reads scripture, skip this since you don't like to converse.

1. God is the father/creator Isaiah 42:5
2. Jesus is the son 1 John 4:15
3. Holy Spirit is love and grace Micah 3:8-10 and Acts 6:8 and so forth
John 3:6-8

They are in relationship with each other
1. 1 Corinthians 3:23 (father to his son) and above god's grace/his spirit

Holy is an adjective
Spirit is god and of god

It's English. Don't know how its translated in other languages.

The father, the creator, has a son. The son, who died and resurrected on the cross brings love and grace to believers. When believers are born again in the spirit (life/breathe) of god through christ, they are one with the father. You are one with the father through christ. Being that christ cannot be with you without god's love and grace, that spirit, that christ, and that father are in you simultaneously.

That simultaneous unity is called the tri-nity.

Anything else you are adding has nothing to do with scripture unless you think it's all mumbo jumbo unless it comes from your lips.

Now.

If you want to talk about what these scriptures mean in relation to the trinity, I'm all for it.

If you want to insult my intelligence, then no, there is no discussion.

I do not debate any scripture's divinity nor authenticity.

That is all christian.

Very unattractive.

Edit: Read the trinity in relation to the bible not man, you will get it.

 

[kjw47]

Lets go through your verses if you dont to have a full real conversation (didnt know scripture was mumbo jumbo. Unless it looses its truth when not spoken by christian )

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Yes.

1. Jesus is human
2. Father is spirit
3. Both share divinity
4. Thata the trinity

17 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

My point exactly.

Didnt know regular humans can do this.

Now please address my post

Paul already answered-1Cor 8:6--There is one God to all-the Father.