A question for my Yankee neighbours

[Shadow Wolf]

When you consider that the Super Delegates had it in the bag for Hillary, it seems that Bernie never had a chance.

If they were smart about things, they would have supported Sanders because he would have had an even greater chance at beating Trump than Hillary. But, alas, he is not a pro-establishment Democrat, and not even a Democrat, and it does send a clear message as to how pro-establishment the Dems really are. For me, the only real point of voting Dem is to keep the church out of the state, because many Republicans, especially here, want the church and state merged in order to have the green light to do as they please, which often includes discrimination, reducing women's rights, striking down worker's rights, and saying screw education that doesn't promote god and why should we care about the environment when Jesus is going to come back in my lifetime?

 

[esmith]

Please explain why the Hillary was the only "real" Democrat running in the primaries. Was it because the rest of the "real" Democrats had already decided that the "fix" was in for the Hillary and it would be a blemish on them if they opposed her. Seems that way. If any Republican other than Trump had won the Republican primaries, where do you think the Hillary would stand in the national polls. Remember, as bad as some say Trump is he is still giving her a run.

 

[tytlyf]

Please explain why the Hillary was the only "real" Democrat running in the primaries.

She is the most qualified candidate running.

Was it because the rest of the "real" Democrats had already decided that the "fix" was in for the Hillary and it would be a blemish on them if they opposed her. Seems that way.

Nope, I doubt Biden was afraid of Hillary. Your media makes it seem that way, it's a trick.

If any Republican other than Trump had won the Republican primaries, where do you think the Hillary would stand in the national polls. Remember, as bad as some say Trump is he is still giving her a run.

Hillary would be winning more against Trump than say a Rubio. Trump isn't giving her a run, your media is playing tricks on you. Trump cannot win, just accept that. Excuses won't make it go away.

 

[Politesse]

How could there be Two Best People to represent 300 million other people? In the US we have just under 200 languages spoken, hundreds of cultures, at least twelve distinct regions, a constant inflow of immigrants by the millions, a wealth divide so steep that our wealthiest might as well live on a different planet than the average citizen, an economy built by slaves, a land base acquired via an ongoing program of genocide, and still-bleeding wounds from a civil war that was never really resolved. Putting a single emperor over all these people is not a process that can be optimized. This crop has no cream. It's not even a crop.

 

[Revoltingest]

How could there be Two Best People to represent 300 million other people? In the US we have just under 200 languages spoken, hundreds of cultures, at least twelve distinct regions, a constant inflow of immigrants by the millions, a wealth divide so steep that our wealthiest might as well live on a different planet than the average citizen, an economy built by slaves, a land base acquired via an ongoing program of genocide, and still-bleeding wounds from a civil war that was never really resolved. Putting a single emperor over all these people is not a process that can be optimized. This crop has no cream. It's not even a crop.

Some thoughts....
- Our economy was not built by slaves, although they did play a large role in southern agriculture.
Free people who developed the most advanced manufacturing technology in the world in the early 1800s were the prime mover in our economy.
- No one says these two are the best.
They're simply what emerges from the output chute from those 2 strange party systems.
- Watching polls for my state, it appears that Trump has no chance of winning.
Since we're a winner-take-all electoral college state, I have not even an infinitesimal chance of influencing the election.
So it looks again like I'll vote Libertarian (Gary Johnson) just to register an opinion.
And my state will vote for war & bigger government.

 

[columbus]

How could there be Two Best People to represent 300 million other people?

I would add to this.
We have a capitalist media. Their job is not to deliver accurate and complete information. It is to make money.
As a result, the media is more inclined to deliver rubbish that sells than news that is important and useful.
Tom

 

[esmith]

She is the most qualified candidate running.

That wasn't the question and you know it. You seem to be dodging what I asked.

Hillary would be winning more against Trump than say a Rubio. Trump isn't giving her a run, your media is playing tricks on you. Trump cannot win, just accept that. Excuses won't make it go away.

The Hillary's favorability rating is in the tank and you know it but won't admit it. Do you really think any other Republican than Trump would have favorability ratings far exceeding the Hillary>?

 

[Revoltingest]

I would add to this.
We have a capitalist media. Their job is not to deliver accurate and complete information. It is to make money.
As a result, the media is more inclined to deliver rubbish that sells than news that is important and useful.
Tom

How does that explain NPR, which is far from capitalistic?
I say that the tribal mentality is what drives the partisan approach to the news.
Once they pick a side, anything will served it, no matter how bogus or irrelevant.

 

[columbus]

How does that explain NPR, which is far from capitalistic?

Explain what?
I have found that as public funding has decreased and NPR has become more reliant on private funding they have done what other media did.
Become more biased towards the views that get them support.
Their coverage of this election campaign is sounding more and more like the capitalist media. Biased. They have to in order to keep functioning in a capitalist system.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

Explain what?
I have found that as public funding has decreased and NPR has become more reliant on private funding they have done what other media did.
Become more biased towards the views that get them support.
Their coverage of this election campaign is sounding more and more like the capitalist media. Biased. They have to in order to keep functioning in a capitalist system.
Tom

I've been listening since the 70s.
They've always been partisan, even back when much more of their revenue was directly from government.
Have they gotten worse?
It's hard to say.
But I stopped donating even back then because I thought it wrong for them to take a side in elections.

Is there a non-capitalist country with better news?

 

[columbus]

I say that the tribal mentality is what drives the partisan approach to the news.

No, it's capitalism.
Clear, accurate, and complete information won't generate as much revenue as biased reporting aimed at a target audience.
Capitalism rewards revenue, not improving the human situation.
Tom

 

[metis]

I would add to this.
We have a capitalist media. Their job is not to deliver accurate and complete information. It is to make money.
As a result, the media is more inclined to deliver rubbish that sells than news that is important and useful.
Tom

I'm old enough to remember Walter Cronkite's farewell announcement whereas he warned people that news was becoming too much entertainment, to little objective information. Me thinks he was the harbinger of bad news-- literally.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, it's capitalism.
Clear, accurate, and complete information won't generate as much revenue as biased reporting aimed at a target audience.
Capitalism rewards revenue, not improving the human situation.
Tom

Were this true, there'd be at least a single non-capitalist country which is better.

I have no solution.
Do you?

 

[columbus]

Were this true, there'd be at least a single non-capitalist country which is better.

I don't know. I don't read German, Swedish, Israeli, or British. But I have noticed that people from socialist places like that seem better informed than my country (wo)men.

I have no solution.
Do you?

Not really, but not pretending that free markets are the solution would be a start. They aren't the solution to much of the human race's worst problems.
Actually they are more of the cause.
Tom

 

[tytlyf]

That wasn't the question and you know it. You seem to be dodging what I asked.

She is the responsible option of the lot.

The Hillary's favorability rating is in the tank and you know it but won't admit it. Do you really think any other Republican than Trump would have favorability ratings far exceeding the Hillary>?

She has a positive favorability rating. Republicans other than Trump would have higher favorability ratings, but not as high as Hillary. They turn off the majority of America with their corporate ownership of government positions.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't know. I don't read German, Swedish, Israeli, or British.

But those are capitalist countries, so I don't see your point here.

But I have noticed that people from socialist places like that seem better informed than my country (wo)men.

Where?

Not really, but not pretending that free markets are the solution would be a start.

Who is "pretending" this, & how do you know such a view is disingenuous?

They aren't the solution to much of the human race's worst problems.
Actually they are more of the cause.
Tom

Find me a better system than capitalism, & we'll talk.

Btw, you identify as a "conservative", but it seems you despise capitalism.
You're even odder than I am!

 

[Wu Wei]

I'm curious as to how many of you think that Donald trump and Hillary Clinton represent the best option for both parties after the conventions. Are these two the cream of the crop as far as the total potential candidates go?

This is the first election in US history where both candidates disapproval rating is higher than their approval rating..... and IMO a perfect example of what Plato said

One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. --- Plato

 

[Revoltingest]

This is the first election in US history where both candidates disapproval rating is higher than their approval rating..... and IMO a perfect example of what Plato said

One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. --- Plato

Participating yields the same result.

 

[Wu Wei]

Participating yields the same result.

Who asked ya!!!!

I have, for most of my adult life, voted for the person who I felt would do the least damage and I have done pretty good with that approach. Only once did I vote for the guy I thought was best for the job and I am not so sure I got that one right. This time however I cannot figure out who will do the least damage and there is no best so......

 

[esmith]

She is the responsible option of the lot.

If you are telling me that the best candidate that the Democrats can come up with is Hillary with all of her baggage and disliked by the majority of Americans you must have some real losers in the Democratic Party.

She has a positive favorability rating. Republicans other than Trump would have higher favorability ratings, but not as high as Hillary. They turn off the majority of America with their corporate ownership of government positions.

Hmmm is a 53.9% unfavorable rating a positive rating?????
Just so you get LW media info: http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating