80,000 immigrants. That's a big number.

[Twilight Hue]

And every one of them have criminal records. Rape, murder, assault...

Nearly 80,000 immigrants approved for DACA have arrest records, USCIS report finds | Fox News

No wall this time, they were approved by Obama's pet DACA program.

Nice job they are doing huh?

At least somebody caught this and called it out.


I wonder how many more criminals they had approved?

 

[Guitar's Cry]

From the article:

"Supporters will also note that the level of arrests for DACA recipients is lower than the estimated 30 percent of U.S. adults who have an arrest record."

Nice job, immigrants!

 

[shmogie]

And every one of them have criminal records. Rape, murder, assault...

Nearly 80,000 immigrants approved for DACA have arrest records, USCIS report finds | Fox News

No wall this time, they were approved by Obama's pet DACA program.

Nice job they are doing huh?

At least somebody caught this and called it out.


I wonder how many more criminals they had approved?

You mean these education hungry great potential citizens are criminals ? No, no, it can't be that the democrats are lying about them ?

Oh the humanity !!

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

You mean these education hungry great potential citizens are criminals ? No, no, it can't be that the democrats are lying about them ?

Oh the humanity !!

And that's how it's done. Lump all together, make an assumption that can be used to disparage them all, and voila!

 

[sun rise]

You mean these education hungry great potential citizens are criminals ? No, no, it can't be that the democrats are lying about them ?

Oh the humanity !!

Ignoring the statistics that othe
r people quoted - typical. Absolutely and sadly typical.

No, no, it can't be that the republicans are lying about them ?

Oh the humanity !!

 

[sun rise]

Not that the Trumpers care about facts and truth, but for those that do care, How many U.S. adults have a criminal record?

The FBI considers anyone who has been arrested on a felony charge to have a criminal record, even if the arrest did not lead to a conviction. The FBI only counts those with a misdemeanor if a state agency asks the bureau to keep it on file.


So by the FBI’s standard, 73.5 million people in the United States had a criminal record as of June 30.


The Census Bureau lists the adult population in the United States at 249.4 million. That means the FBI considers about 29.5 percent of adults to have a criminal record.

 

[sun rise]

The other side of the coin How many DACA recipients are there in the United States?

the number of DACA recipients is either 700,000 or 900,000 depending on how you count them.

 

[Milton Platt]

You mean these education hungry great potential citizens are criminals ? No, no, it can't be that the democrats are lying about them ?

Oh the humanity !!

Reference post #3, please.

 

[Salvador]

Knock it off with the charlatanism.

These are arrest records, not records of people convicted of crimes. This data does not indicate whether the immigrants were guilty of the charge they were arrested on.

Now let's take a look at the most common offenses.

31.87% Non DUI Driving Offenses
16.33% Immigration Related
9.98% Theft, Larceny, Etc.
8.68% Non DUI Drug Offenses

These offenses together account for 66.87% of the offenses. I can't imagine why you chose to mention rape, murder and assault instead of the most common offenses.

As for the offenses you mentioned by name:
0.08% of these arrests were for rape.
0.02% of these arrests were for murder.
4.17% of them were for assault.

Edit: Formatting, adding some numbers

President Trump Sends a Letter on Border Security to Congress | The White House

• In FY2017 and FY2018, ICE officers arrested approximately 235,000 aliens on various criminal charges or convictions within the interior of the United States—including roughly 100,000 for assault, 30,000 for sex crimes, and 4,000 for homicides.

The fact ICE officers arrested 4,000 illegal aliens for homicide in the last 2 years does indicate that approximately 2,000 Americans on average have been killed each year by illegal aliens; there are on average approximately 17,000 homicides each year in the U.S. Illegal aliens are approximately 4 percent of the overall U.S. population; if law enforcement officials suspect illegal aliens are responsible for ca. 12 percent of the homicides in the United States, then illegal aliens here are nearly three times more likely to be homicidal than those who aren't illegal aliens. The vast majority of U.S. illegal immigrants are Latinos from Central America or Mexico where there are homicide rates at least three times greater than the U.S. homicide rate. Evidently, the homicidal tendencies of Latinos doesn't change much as they cross into the U.S. from Mexico.

 

[Salvador]

This is sloppy nonsense.
You are assuming that 50% of arrests are guilty and 50% are innocent.
The existence of two possible outcomes does not mean that each are equally likely.

ICE is an institution that was developed for the purpose of deporting and incarcerating as many illegal immigrants as possible. The arrest record you have presented does not mean anything without further investigation. You are imposing your own ideological assumptions onto the statistics.

The conviction rate for murder in the United States is actually ca. 70 percent.

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - FAQ Detail

If 70 percent of the ca. 4,000 illegal immigrant homicide suspects, who were apprehended over a 2 year period, were ultimately legally found guilty of homicide; this would then mean that they'd be nearly twice as likely to be legally held responsible for murder than the likelihood of those who are not illegal aliens being convicted of murder.

Regardless of my right-wing populist American nationalist ideology bias, the numbers don't lie.

 

[shmogie]

And that's how it's done. Lump all together, make an assumption that can be used to disparage them all, and voila!

Disparage them all, no, just 80,000 of them who committed crimes

 

[Stanyon]

Knock it off with the charlatanism.

These are arrest records, not records of people convicted of crimes. This data does not indicate whether the immigrants were guilty of the charge they were arrested on.

Now let's take a look at the most common offenses.

31.87% Non DUI Driving Offenses
16.33% Immigration Related
9.98% Theft, Larceny, Etc.
8.68% Non DUI Drug Offenses

These offenses together account for 66.87% of the offenses. I can't imagine why you chose to mention rape, murder and assault instead of the most common offenses.

As for the offenses you mentioned by name:
0.08% of these arrests were for rape.
0.02% of these arrests were for murder.
4.17% of them were for assault.

Edit: Formatting, adding some numbers

Additional note:
Percentages are breakdowns of DACA recipients with arrest records, not all DACA recipients.

So you would invite them to stay at your place?

 

[Stanyon]

You mean these education hungry great potential citizens are criminals ? No, no, it can't be that the democrats are lying about them ?

Oh the humanity !!

And the same ones that applauded and pushed for sanctuary cities threw a fit when Trump wanted to send them to them. The hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me, they want open immigration only as long as they live "over there" and they don't have to see the "nasty" brown people's faces or smell their burritos.

 

[Stanyon]

Go be a xenophobe in your own home.

"Xenophobe"

If inviting people into my home that I don't know anything about other than what they told me is xenophobic then I will forever be a xenophobe. I don't care what colour a person is, what religion they are, where they come from etc. if I don't know anything about them they aren't staying and I wouldn't invite them to stay in someone else's house either.
This goes for everyone

 

[Stanyon]

Nice way to shift the goal post. You asked me if I would let a DACA receiving immigrant stay in my home. Saying so directly implies that one should be more wary of DACA immigrants than non-DACA immigrants because of their immigrant status. In other words, you do care about where people come from, or at least how they got to America. Do what you will to deny this.

Let's not pretend for a moment that you would let an undocumented immigrant stay with you under any circumstances.
If your RF politics are any indicator of how you act in real life: you'd be among the first to call ICE on them.

I wasn't implying anything, I specifically stated if I don't know someone or know a little of their background I am not inviting them into my home no matter what.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I checked ICE stats and the Trump statement is misleading and you're initial presentation of it is wrong.
ICE arrested 2028 people in 2018FY for 'violating US immigration laws' who had an criminal record for homicide. Not for committing a homicide in 2018. Therefore, your speculation about the homicide rate of undocumented immigrants is incorrect.

All I could find on google were people claiming the exact opposite of what you claim here: that undocumented immigration did not increase violent crime.

From ABC factcheck of Trump's statements on immigrant crime:

Spoiler: ABC Excerpt

Undocumented immigrants make up just over 6 percent of the state's population, legal immigrants made up over 10 percent, and native-born Americans make up over 80 percent, according to the most recent American Community Survey data and the Center for Migration Studies.

Meanwhile, undocumented immigrants were convicted of 5.9 percent of all the homicides in Texas, legal immigrants were convicted of 3.8 percent of homicides, and native-born Americans were convicted of about 90 percent of all the homicides in Texas, according an analysis of 2015 Texas state data by Nowrasteh.

In other words, native-born Americans were the only group over-represented among those convicted of homicide in the state.

This is speculation based on political assumptions rather than data and I'm not going to dignify it with a detailed response.

I'd be curious on how many of the offenses being quoted in this thread are related to living in poverty and how that relates to the rest of the population. Crimes such as murder and theft tend to be more prevalently attached to poverty, either due to wealthier folks being able to get away with it due to having the means or it being done in more discreet ways like white collar crimes, or the simple fact it is easier to not kill or steal when you are secure in your home and means.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I wasn't implying anything, I specifically stated if I don't know someone or know a little of their background I am not inviting them into my home no matter what.

So why ask:

So you would invite them to stay at your place?

when inviting a stranger in your home is unadvisable anyway?

 

[Twilight Hue]

And the same ones that applauded and pushed for sanctuary cities threw a fit when Trump wanted to send them to them. The hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me, they want open immigration only as long as they live "over there" and they don't have to see the "nasty" brown people's faces or smell their burritos.

Yeah, that never caught on too well once Trump exposed the Socialist Democrats with their lies by telling them to directly put their money where their mouth is.

Everyone knows how that one turned out .

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Not that the Trumpers care about facts and truth, but for those that do care, How many U.S. adults have a criminal record?

The FBI considers anyone who has been arrested on a felony charge to have a criminal record, even if the arrest did not lead to a conviction. The FBI only counts those with a misdemeanor if a state agency asks the bureau to keep it on file.


So by the FBI’s standard, 73.5 million people in the United States had a criminal record as of June 30.


The Census Bureau lists the adult population in the United States at 249.4 million. That means the FBI considers about 29.5 percent of adults to have a criminal record.

^Great posts.

Now, just for comparison, it would be nice to see the percentage of Trump's inner circle who have a criminal record.

 

[Salvador]

I checked ICE stats and the Trump statement is misleading and you're initial presentation of it is wrong.
ICE arrested 2028 people in 2018FY for 'violating US immigration laws' who had an criminal record for homicide. Not for committing a homicide in 2018. Therefore, your speculation about the homicide rate of undocumented immigrants is incorrect.

All I could find on google were people claiming the exact opposite of what you claim here: that undocumented immigration did not increase violent crime.

From ABC factcheck of Trump's statements on immigrant crime:

Spoiler: ABC Excerpt

Undocumented immigrants make up just over 6 percent of the state's population, legal immigrants made up over 10 percent, and native-born Americans make up over 80 percent, according to the most recent American Community Survey data and the Center for Migration Studies.

Meanwhile, undocumented immigrants were convicted of 5.9 percent of all the homicides in Texas, legal immigrants were convicted of 3.8 percent of homicides, and native-born Americans were convicted of about 90 percent of all the homicides in Texas, according an analysis of 2015 Texas state data by Nowrasteh.

In other words, native-born Americans were the only group over-represented among those convicted of homicide in the state.

This is speculation based on political assumptions rather than data and I'm not going to dignify it with a detailed response.

Manslaughter is a very serious criminal offense, murder and manslaughter are both acts of homicide. So then, if 4,000 out of 235,000 illegal aliens have a criminal history of homicide, that'd mean 2 percent of these illegal aliens are homicidal.

Approximately eight percent of Americans are convicted felons. Source: BOP Statistics: Inmate Offenses

Homicide accounts for about two percent of all felony crimes committed in the United States.
Source: Crime in the United States - Wikipedia

This would result in about 0.2 percent of the overall population being convicted of a homicide. ( .08 * .02 )

If 2 percent of illegal aliens are convicted of being homicidal in comparison to 0.2 percent of the overall U.S. population who are convicted of being homicidal , then an illegal alien is around ten times more likely of being convicted of homicide than the likelihood of a legal U.S. resident/citizen being convicted of homicide.