3 dead, 6 injured in Michigan high school shooting; 15-year-old suspect in custody, authorities say

[F1fan]

And look for the left to use it as an excuse to try and impose more restrictions on law abiding gun owners.

Of course the Christian right has lost all moral dignity over this right wing extremist views. The right cares about fetus but as soon a they're born does the Christian right fight for healthcare access to the poor? No. Does the Christian right advocate for the lives of those killed in gun violence? No. They totally ignore the tragedy and suffering caused by easy access to guns. Notice your values care more about guns than those four kids who are dead, and the five fighting for their lives in hospitals.

The right is even opposed to vaccine mandates, now to a point that they will not fund our government until the requirement is removed. What is virtuous about not getting vaccinated? How is that pro-life?

The Christian right wants it both ways. They want to advocate for the sanity of life UNTIL you are born, and then all bets are off. This is how we know this is all about politics, not religion, not morality, not dignity, not virtue. The Christian right do not care about you or life. They care about ideals, about power, about fear, about vilifying decency and wisdom. And America is probably going to go the way of the Christian right, which is the minority. And I think there will be a serious moral decline as a result, along with a decline in liberty and safety.

 

[F1fan]

States which had banned high-capacity magazines had a substantially lower incidence of mass shootings, as well as far fewer fatalities in mass shootings. .

Klarevas, Louis; Conner, Andrew; Hemenway, David (2019-10-17). "The Effect of Large-Capacity Magazine Bans on High-Fatality Mass Shootings, 1990–2017". American Journal of Public Health. 109 (12): e1–e8. doi:10.2105/AJPH.2019.305311. ISSN 0090-0036. PMC 6836798. PMID 31622147.

New Research on Mass Shootings: Banning Large-Capacity Magazines Substantially Lowers Fatalities

Republicans are NOT pro-life. They are more concerned with unfettered liberties, and that value supersedes the right to life. They didn't care when 20 6 year olds were murdered in their elementary school. They will never care about life.

 

[F1fan]

The issue is the majority of those with a mental illness are non violent and far more likely to be the victims of violence than a perpetrator of violence.
But every time there is a mass shooting in the news everyone points the finger at mental illness. This feeds into the collective stigmatization and demonization of mental illness.
If people didn't really believe it this nonsense of blaming them for violence in such ways wouldn't happen.

This is true, and it only fuels the stigma of those ordinary people who have problems adjusting to the struggles of life, and need therapy. In the USA there is a serious lack of mental health care. Many with problems end up in prisons if they have no families to help care for them.

 

[F1fan]

This can't be emphasized enough. I was starting to be friends with a guy years ago who accidentally killed himself with gun ignorance.
I forget where but a lady had a gun in her purse, infant and purse both in the seat area of a shopping cart. The baby got the gun and accidentally shot mom.
One guy sat his gun down on his kitchen counter while he made a sandwich. His cat jumps on the counter, paws at the gun, and accidentally shot the guy.
And then the people hurt in "pranks" by "friends" who talk them into shooting something way too powerful. Or killed by double taps.
Uncle Ben really needs to be the face of guns, because they are a great power that requires great responsibility.

There have been numerous cases where toddlers got guns from the mom's purses and shot the mother.

I do remember another case of some people celebrating a holiday, perhaps the 4th of July, and one guy was shooting his gun at a lake. A bullet hit a young girl and she died. The police ended up finding who it was and that guy ended up being convicted. Yeah, it was just an accident, right? No, it was negligence and a lack of respect for what guns can do. The right wants unfettered access to guns for the public, but time and time again we see some of the public is not responsible enough to own guns. We can't weed people out any better than waiting for there to be a victim bleeding to death?

 

[Wildswanderer]

States which had banned high-capacity magazines had a substantially lower incidence of mass shootings, as well as far fewer fatalities in mass shootings. .

Klarevas, Louis; Conner, Andrew; Hemenway, David (2019-10-17). "The Effect of Large-Capacity Magazine Bans on High-Fatality Mass Shootings, 1990–2017". American Journal of Public Health. 109 (12): e1–e8. doi:10.2105/AJPH.2019.305311. ISSN 0090-0036. PMC 6836798. PMID 31622147.

New Research on Mass Shootings: Banning Large-Capacity Magazines Substantially Lowers Fatalities

Oh you found something on the internet that agrees with your false assumption. How nice!

 

[Suave]

Oh you found something on the internet that agrees with your false assumption. How nice!

Please feel free to share any studies you might find showing states without legal limits on firearm load capacity having fewer mass shootings per capita than states with legal limits on firearm load capacity.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Of course the Christian right has lost all moral dignity over this right wing extremist views. The right cares about fetus but as soon a they're born does the Christian right fight for healthcare access to the poor? No. Does the Christian right advocate for the lives of those killed in gun violence? No. They totally ignore the tragedy and suffering caused by easy access to guns. Notice your values care more about guns than those four kids who are dead, and the five fighting for their lives in hospitals.

That would be a false assumption. A gun is just a tool. It's neither good or evil. There's hundreds of acts of violence stopped by the presence of a gun in the right hands each day, but you don't hear those stories because they don't fit the MSM agenda.
And everyone is responsible for their own actions. There's no such thing as " gun violence" there's only violent people.

 

[F1fan]

Oh you found something on the internet that agrees with your false assumption. How nice!

You sound defensive. Too bad you can't hide behind Jesus with your pro-gun attitude when children die.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Please feel free to share any studies you might find showing states without legal limits on firearm load capacity having fewer mass shootings per capita than states with legal limits on firearm load capacity.

Harvard study concludes that gun control does not prevent murders, other violent crime :: Guns.com

Studies Find No Evidence That Assault Weapon Bans Reduce Homicide Rates | Being Classically Liberal

 

[Wildswanderer]

You sound defensive. Too bad you can't hide behind Jesus with your pro-gun attitude when children die.

I don't know what that means.
Jesus was pro- sword. They didn't have guns at the time.

 

[F1fan]

That would be a false assumption. A gun is just a tool.

A deadly tool. Fine, let's demand proper training to use this tool before a buyer goes home with one and let's their teenager have access to it. Or do you prefer more murders happening?

It's neither good or evil. There's hundreds of acts of violence stopped by the presence of a gun in the right hands each day, but you don't hear those stories because they don't fit the MSM agenda.

Perhaps we need fewer guns so the violence is less deadly. Or do you prefer more deaths by guns?

And everyone is responsible for their own actions. There's no such thing as " gun violence" there's only violent people.

So you don't think the four dead high school kids in Michigan are not victims of gun violence? Then what caused their deaths?

Would a violent 15 year old have been able to kill 4 and injure 5 more without access to a gun? Do you think a knife would have done that? How many school knifings do we hear about?

 

[Wildswanderer]

A deadly tool. Fine, let's demand proper training to use this tool before a buyer goes home with one and let's their teenager have access to it. Or do you prefer more murders happening?


Perhaps we need fewer guns so the violence is less deadly. Or do you prefer more deaths by guns?


So you don't think the four dead high school kids in Michigan are not victims of gun violence? Then what caused their deaths?

Would a violent 15 year old have been able to kill 4 and injure 5 more without access to a gun? Do you think a knife would have done that? How many school knifings do we hear about?

Of course...he could have found out how to make a bomb on YouTube. Killing 4 people without a gun is easy.
What caused thier deaths? A person committed evil.

 

[Suave]

Harvard study concludes that gun control does not prevent murders, other violent crime :: Guns.com

Studies Find No Evidence That Assault Weapon Bans Reduce Homicide Rates | Being Classically Liberal

Of course, there will still be non-mass-shootings and occurrences of a single fatality by a firearm with a low load capacity; however, studies show legal limitations on a firearm's load capacity results in fewer mass shootings and fewer deaths by mass shootings.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Of course...he could have found out how to make a bomb on YouTube. Killing 4 people without a gun is easy.
What caused thier deaths? A person committed evil.

Yeah, like how Columbine was actually a failed bombing. They had numerous pipe bombs and some propane bombs that they built in one of their basements (again, where are the parents?). If just one of those bombs went off, it would've killed hundreds. Thankfully, they failed (although one started a fire), but that was why they changed tactics and started shooting.

 

[F1fan]

I don't know what that means.
Jesus was pro- sword. They didn't have guns at the time.

So Jesus was pro weapon, and pro killing, and pro murder.

OK, thanks.

 

[F1fan]

Harvard study concludes that gun control does not prevent murders, other violent crime :: Guns.com

Studies Find No Evidence That Assault Weapon Bans Reduce Homicide Rates | Being Classically Liberal

Are you aware that importers of assault rifles got around the law by installing a stock that linked the pistol grip and stock? It was a huge error my the assault rifle ban to include the pistol grip as an identifying part. Dealers even sold the original stock kits so the buyers could convert them to the original. There were even kits to make semi-auto rifles full auto.

 

[F1fan]

Killing 4 people without a gun is easy.

Exactly. This is why we need to be more careful about who has access to guns in the USA. You might be the next victim.

Everyone who died had plans they will never keep. I'll be you do too.

 

[Heyo]

And look for the left to use it as an excuse to try and impose more restrictions on law abiding gun owners.

So, dead children are just "excuses" for you?
Being gunned down is just "the American way to die"?
And everyone who doesn't want to be shot should get a gun and learn to shoot faster?

 

[Heyo]

The issue is the majority of those with a mental illness are non violent and far more likely to be the victims of violence than a perpetrator of violence.

Yes.

But every time there is a mass shooting in the news everyone points the finger at mental illness. This feeds into the collective stigmatization and demonization of mental illness.
If people didn't really believe it this nonsense of blaming them for violence in such ways wouldn't happen.

You got that the wrong way around. It is not that people blame mentally ill people for violence, it's that people blame violent people for mental illness.
You have to show that people make the same wrong reverse conclusion you do, otherwise it is just a straw man.
Also, the defence "it's not the crazy that makes people shoot people" sounds too much like the gun lobby defence "guns don't shoot people, people shoot people". It is exactly that attitude that prevents that anything is done. Guns don't get regulated because it isn't the guns and mental healthcare doesn't get improved because it isn't the mentally ill.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You have to show that people make the same wrong reverse conclusion you do, otherwise it is just a straw man

How on Earth does that work? I'm stating a claim that people blame mental illness on gun violence. And that's because they do. They don't say "these violent people are an issue for mental illness." They say "we have to do more to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill."
And the belief is common enough it's a myth addressed in the book 50 Great Myths of Popular psychology.