Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Gee I wonder who's to blame for the downfall?
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Patriotic Democrats?
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Aštra’el
Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
I am patriotic and nationalist. I encourage this in other Americans regardless of their political affiliation, and even in people whose country in many ways cannot even compare to mine. Because, in many ways it can. Be proud of who and what you are. Let there be pride and loyalty in your God(s), your country, your family, your blood, your tribe, and your culture(s). And let there be no regrets, not ever.
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Yes: in incarceration rates, military spending and healthcare costs, other than that....
What desirable social index does the US top?
Patriotism and pride in God and country creates fertile ground for aggression, imperialism and war. Better to look critically at one's country and leaders, and support them only when they behave morally and as good neighbors.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
And the principles America was founded upon are great. Freedom of speech. Freedom press. Freedom of assembly. It was such a great response to history in principles that it even saw fit to grant freedom of religion while keeping religion out of the state. And it started by declaring everyone is created equal and endowed with certain unalienable rights. It's a Constitutional Principle that we are born entitled to these things.
It is not acceptable for any human being living in any country to believe that their country, their race or their religion etc. is the greatest/best in the world.
I think there is more freedom in China than in N Korea, but that role belongs actually to N. Korea, or perhaps it is China. China is more likely to put you to death than incarcerate you for years. Like suppose you participate in a protest. That's a criminal offense.
It was always touch and go depending upon what class you were in, but this thread isn't about jails or freedom. They aren't going to lock you up based upon who you vote for, like they do in China, or kill you for practicing Falun Gong like they do in China or send you to reeducation for being a Muslim child, like they do in China. God bless communism and keep it far away from us.
We don't have to be the greatest, and we don't have to be at the top of every list. The accusation that America is no longer as great as it was, well it is historically ignorant. We are now better than ever in many ways. I'm sure that in some areas things aren't better. For example economic opportunity is not as good right now, but that can change.Yes: in incarceration rates, military spending and healthcare costs, other than that....
What desirable social index does the US top?
I think I know the way you mean that, and agree - for now. But also, there are Republicans conceding elections, and so far, none has thrown a Trumpian fit about losing. That's an encouraging trend for democracy - a respect for the peaceful change of power.
They are, but it sounds like you mean something other than love of country and its principles. Can you be more patriotic than Joe Biden or Merrick Garland? The question is when the Republicans will show some patriotism beyond not tantruming over election losses. Cheney and Kinzinger get gold stars, but most of the party, the MAGA contingent, are enemies of Americanism - democracy, egalitarianism, rule of law, and church-state separation. Do you stand for those? If so, you are patriotic. If not, you're not. If you actively work to thwart them, you are as anti-American as any foreign enemy such as Putin.
Why would that matter? What if they thought it was the third or seventeenth best country? A patriot is somebody that wants his country to be the best IT can be. This isn't too different from the love of a parent. Mom wants little Susie to be the best person she can be, even if some others can go further.
I'm an American who was unhappy with American life, retired earlier than I had originally planned, and traded that life in for a different kind of life among a different kind of people in a different culture - a change few of us expats here in Mexico regret. Most of my social circle is Canadian and American expats, and the Americans are mostly liberal, so there's really no MAGA presence in my life anymore. We had no mask tantrums during the pandemic, and I never once heard the word tyranny with regard to mandates. Religion isn't toxic here, and people aren't being shot up in schools and malls. My last American residence was rural Missouri, which is MAGA country, and which was already an undesirable place for a liberal to be in the Bush years when I left.
I could have stayed in America - perhaps returning to California - but why? What does America have to offer a liberal retiree? Freedom? That's the usual answer. My fellow expats that return to the States do so for family support if they've become infirm, or for Medicare benefits not available abroad, but never for more freedom.
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That is not what patriotism means. Patriotism means devotion to and supportive of one's country. You can believe it to be whatever you like, greatest, poorest, biggest, smallest, highest, lowest or plain mediocre. But if you are devoted to it and support it, you are a patriot.
Why are you baiting on this issue?
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Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
Seen at the Capitol on January 6. Are these Republicans patriotic? Carrying the flag of the Confederate States of America.
Since then, when someone says they are patriots, I have to ask them if they supported the attack and still consider themselves patriots. If yes, then I have to say I am not a 'patriot.'
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I keep one in Mr Van...just in case the cops ever
search it. (They might mistake me for a patriot.)
One can be a patriot without being stupid.
There’s no baiting. It was a discussion on Bill Maher’s show and I genuinely curious what people think.
Yes. That worked well for the Germans under Hitler's, Russians under Stalin etc.....
Yes, I heard a report how Youngkin (sounds Chinese according to Trump) sent Nancy pelosi a hand written note to appologize for comments he made about the attack on her husband. I suspect he was assuming the popularity of MAGAism and ws rattled when the voters rejected it, and he got scared staright pretty quickly. I think many of these moderate republicans who were using MAGA speak to get popular appeal are seeing how this was a bad approach, and will learn to be more respectful.
I suspect MAGA will remain popular for a while, but will fade as did the Tea party, especially as Trump is indicted and faces more legal jeopardy.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I love Godwin. Heh.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I don't think Trump will be significant for 2024.
Still, I feel he's immune and above the law.
TLK Valentine
Read the books that others would burn.
Indeed -- America is found on the greatest principles... of course, the enforcement of those principles leaves some room for improvement.