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A Middle Eastern originated religion is a bizarre place to go for white supremacy.
I believe it wouldn't do much good. Our gods are dead.
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A Middle Eastern originated religion is a bizarre place to go for white supremacy.
I think some christians happen to be racists; much like how some atheists, hindus, etc happen to be racists. For the most part, christianity is pretty neutral towards race as a whole, I feel.
Now, there are certain denominations that are rooted in racism, and it's not just limited to christianity (such as volkisch heathenry, when plenty of heathen groups aren't racist). Those kinds of people might use their religious views to shield their racism. Then again, one can (and does) bend any religious view to fit with their biases.
I'm not sure I've ever heard a white supremacist use the Bible to shield their racism and bigotry. Got an example of how it is possibly happening?
That was not my intent in what I said. That was not the context. It was like saying, "That's why they don't give you the keys to car, because you're a crappy driver". That's the context I meant.Yeah, but you said to the other person "that's why you are not a scholar". So this answer does not suffice because you said that statement as if you were a scholar.
So I think in this case you didnt think enough prior to responding.
Not sure what you're going on about. She was the one who brought up PhD. I was just simply repeating her words back to her. And I DID offer an explanation of the verse. She was responding/ignoring that article I linked to.Follow the arrows back in the quotes. You'll find it. I did my due diligence.You have repeated this twice. Same rhetoric. Why not provide an explanation instead? If you dont think the woman was denied her daughters exorcism because she was a Syrophoenician, then what is your explanation?
Dont keep repeating "Phd". It doesnt make a difference. After all, you are the one who brought of the statement "You are not a scholar" at another person.
Strange. Very strange.
Not sure what you're going on about. She was the one who brought up PhD. I was just simply repeating her words back to her. And I DID offer an explanation of the verse. She was responding/ignoring that article I linked to.Follow the arrows back in the quotes. You'll find it. I did my due diligence.
Sure, I can go trace back to it for you.So what’s your explanation?
That was specifically addressed in the link I sent you, and in my brief response touching on that. To put it in the post here, from that article linked to:
Jews in Jesus’ day sometimes referred to Gentiles as “dogs.” In Greek, this word is kuon, meaning “wild cur” (Matthew 7:6; Luke 16:21; Philippians 3:2). Non-Jews were considered so unspiritual that even being in their presence could make a person ceremonially unclean (John 18:28). Much of Jesus’ ministry, however, involved turning expectations and prejudices on their heads (Matthew 11:19; John 4:9–10). According to Matthew’s narrative, Jesus left Israel and went into Tyre and Sidon, which was Gentile territory (Matthew 15:21). When the Canaanite woman approached and repeatedly asked for healing, the disciples were annoyed and asked Jesus to send her away (Matthew 15:23).If you think Jesus was racist based on a reading of that text in that manner, there is nothing I can see anywhere else, either in the rest of the gospels, or in any of the teaching of the early church that was racist in tone or nature. It seems you may be taken a questionable reading of that text alone to conclude something the rest of the evidence contradicts.
At this point, Jesus explained His current ministry in a way that both the woman and the watching disciples could understand. At that time, His duty was to the people of Israel, not to the Gentiles (Matthew 15:24). Recklessly taking His attention from Israel, in violation of His mission, would be like a father taking food from his children in order to throw it to their pets (Matthews 15:26). The exact word Jesus used here, in Greek, was kunarion, meaning “small dog” or “pet dog.” This is a completely different word from the term kuon, used to refer to unspiritual people or to an “unclean” animal.
Jesus frequently tested people to prove their intentions, often through response questions or challenges (see John 4:16–18; and 4:50–53). His response to the Canaanite woman is similar. In testing her, Jesus declined her request and explained that she had no legitimate expectation of His help. The woman, however, lived out the principle Jesus Himself taught in the parable of the persistent widow (Luke 18:1–8). Her response proved that she understood fully what Jesus was saying, yet had enough conviction to ask anyway (Matthew 15:27). Jesus acknowledged her faith—calling it “great”—and granted her request (Matthew 15:28).
So, according to both the context and language involved, Jesus wasn’t referring to the Canaanite woman as a “dog,” either directly or indirectly. He wasn’t using an epithet or racial slur but making a point about the priorities He’d been given by God. He was also testing the faith of the woman and teaching an important lesson to His disciples.
I think the intent of the gospel writer was to tie that in with the Jewish expectation of the Messiah. It seems he uses this story to illustrate how the Messiah was to first come heal the Jews, and then the world. That seems the focus of the author, not Jesus insulting non-Jews. That would be contrary to everything else they portray him as, which is the opposite of anti-otherism. He was about healing the whole world and breaking down divisions. Or should I say, that was the focus and intent of the early Church portrayed within the gospel stories.I can concur that Kunariois means little dog. I dont know about pet dog, but that seems like an inference.
Nevertheless, in your own article the writer is speaking about "priorities". Thus, a woman in need of her daughters exorcism is not a priority?
I think the context of the story will help for ease of reference,Also have you considered the more hellenistic uses of Kunariois does not mean the house dog instead of a stray, but just "dog"?
As I pointed out above just now, the story is to combat that self-view of being the chosen ones better than others. Anti-racism is how the story goes, in language, context, characters, intended audience, etc. It says, "Jesus is the Messiah, and he is against racism. He honors faith above all else." That's the message.This is the difference between choosing apologetics and actual linguistics based on the writing. Anyway, since the thesis is that this is referring to a house dog or a pet dog, yet it is signifying the importance of the Jews in comparison to a Greek, specific ethnicity.
One could easily interpret that as a racist theological position by default but Jesus changed his mind later when the woman was submitting to him. Yet, the author of the two gospels is clearly indicating Jesus as one who clearly differentiated between the ethnicities prior to helping her.
Peace.
do you think white supremacists use christianity to shield their racism and bigotry?
if so, how does it align with christianity or deter from it? would jesus be amused or approve?
Yeah, that’s true.One race, but different ethnicities/nationalities.
This feels like an example of an "according to you" thing you just said.That translates to, "love your kind(of people) as you do yourself."
The irony.This feels like an example of an "according to you" thing you just said.
I gave you a direct quote - meaning - that it was not an "according to me".The irony.
And I gave you a translation of the quote - meaning that it was "an according to me."I gave you a direct quote - meaning - that it was not an "according to me".
You literally changed the definition of the word "neighbor" to suit your false narrative.