Trailblazer
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I sure hope those changes are good changes.Lots of changes in my life. Always good to hear from you Trailblazer!
My life is about the same boring life although the last year has seen some major sorrow and grief.
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I sure hope those changes are good changes.Lots of changes in my life. Always good to hear from you Trailblazer!
Ubetcha. That was also what I found although I was not even searching for God or a religion at that time. Also, unlike you, I had not been raised in any religion so I had nothing to compare the Baha'i Faith to. I just recognized it as the Truth when I read about it and two weeks later I was a Baha'i. Now, over 50 years later, I am still a Baha'i. No other religion makes sense to me as a standalone.At that point I began to investigate alone, what it was all about, and there are no words to describe what I found. Hidden in all that mystery I found truth not only in one religion but in all also the remedy for all our present day ills which had been dropped in our midst but ignored so far.
Because none of the definitions of God fall into the realm of people's experience. Especially mine.
The way God is usually defined is that he/ she is very powerful. I reject that.So in effect you disregard the possibility of an existing but unknown God,
I sure hope those changes are good changes.
My life is about the same boring life although the last year has seen some major sorrow and grief.
So sorry for your loss. I lost my mother in 2007.Some good, and some bad. I lost my mother. So I have sorrow and grief as well.
I do not hope, I know that there is an afterlife and that you will see your mother again, but I am not as sure I will ever see my cats again even if they do continue to exist in the spiritual world.So I hope God is extra special in the hereafter.
. Something more than a intellectual curiosity. I sometimes hope in things I have no belief in and no knowledge of.
Likewise.Sorry bout your troubles!!
Be of good cheer. One day you'll twig to what I've been telling you.
No. Before our senses can inform us of anything there must exist a world external to the self, assumption 1. And before we can make sense of that world, reason must be a valid tool, assumption 3. Assumption 2 on its own won't cut it.So here is your axiomatic system and the limitations of it:
We need only one axiom, i.e. that we can trust our experiences to be about objective reality, or what you call real. From one axiom everything else follows with reason, logic and evidence.
From the very start I've said I had three assumptions.Well, it doesn't. You need more than just this one axiom.
That's what the physical sciences do, along with medicine, psychology and anthropology and perhaps some others.You need to test how reality works
The answer to what you ask will vary depending on the question. For example, it's very common with humans for emotion to override or qualify reason; indeed it's very common not to employ reason at all, as Qanon shows. Logic tends to be analytical, rather than synthetic. And more generally, there are no absolute statements except this one. Truth varies from time to time. It was once true that the earth was flat, which will serve for an example of how truth, while not absolute, is retrospective.and if there are limitations to reason, logic and evidence.
You've asserted but never defined that failure, possibly because you don't pay enough attention to the qualifications I keep mentioning.That is where your system fails
I didn't say that. I pointed out that when you were attacking my assumptions, you were in that very act employing the assumptions you were attacking,Your argument is that because we share the same axiom as per above, we do everything else the same way
That is not what I claimed. Instead I pointed out that your deeds contradicted your words. I said nothing about having to do everything in the same manner.with only reason, logic and evidence. That is what you don't understand. You take your subjective understanding of how reason, logic and evidence works for you for the everyday world and then you claim we must be doing everything in same manner, because we share the same axiom.
I hesitate to brag, but my efforts at being a dad and a grandpa haven't been all that unsuccessful; and my politics are about decency, respect and inclusion.You don't understand the everyday world is a combination of science, abstract reasoning(logic), social interactions and personal values and how we can combine those with some variation.
Tick. That's the definition of 'real'.As an invalid deduction, you in effect do the following:
Premise/axiom: The objective reality is real.
See above. For example, as my assumption has always read, reason is a tool. It has no purposes of its own. And one of the questions is, "Is statement X an accurate statement about objective reality?" (a question that as a rule can be answered more precisely in the physical than the social sciences)Therefore everything in practice follows form that with reason, logic and evidence.
That reason is a valid tool must be an assumption, since any attempt to justify it convincingly can't be done without assuming it already is.You in effect don't understand that reason, logic and evidence are not axiomatic
Give some illustrations of this claim, please., but can be tested and shown to have limits.
I'm not a Skeptic in the Old Greek meaning of the word, I'm skeptical. In Old Greek terms, I'm closest to a Stoic.That is where you fail as a skeptic.
Christians believe God did show up. He was Jesus Christ. He performed miracles to prove Himself.Showing up would be good for starters.
Atheists what should God do to make you believe in ?
Atheists what should God do to make you believe in ?
You know it's funny. If God did appear to you, people would say you had a psychotic episode and lock you up. There's no winning for God.
Christians believe God did show up. He was Jesus Christ. He performed miracles to prove Himself.
According to my beliefs no. Yahweh gave them the law of Moses because they couldn't understand. They sacrificed animals without blemish. Jesus was a sacrifice without blemish. He made it so we all will be immortal and we can each be exalted.But Yahweh and Jesus had such different values. Jesus was benevolent.
According to my beliefs no. Yahweh gave them the law of Moses because they couldn't understand. They sacrificed animals without blemish. Jesus was a sacrifice without blemish. He made it so we all will be immortal and we can each be exalted.
Yahweh is violent, narcissistic, jealous and vindictive. Jesus was for the poor, sick and marginalized, and put people before dogma. So very different. The Old Testament and New Testament don't really even go together, IMO.
I do not believe that Jesus is God incarnate but I believe that Jesus and God are one.But I think that the pre-incarnate Jesus WAS the Yahweh of the Old Testament.
He and the Father are One.
If you're seen Jesus, you've seen the Father.
I do not believe that Jesus is God incarnate but I believe that Jesus and God are one.
Jesus was the Son of God, but the Son is not the Father, even though the Father is in the Son.
Jesus was a clear mirror, and God became visible in the mirror. This is why Jesus said, “The Father is in the Son” (John 14:11, John 17:21) meaning that God is visible and manifest in Jesus.
“I and my Father are one” (John 10:30) means that the Manifestation of God, in this case Jesus, and God are one and the same; so whatever pertains to Jesus, all His acts and doings is identical with the Will of God Himself.
1 Timothy 3:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
That is why Jesus said to the Jews:
John 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
John 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
Please note that Jesus differentiated Himself from the Father in those verses above. That alone should tell you that Jesus is not God.
I would say that God manifested Himself in Jesus. God did not reproduce Himself because there is and always has been only one God. So what we see in Jesus is all the attributes of God that can be manifested in a man, but Jesus cannot be God because God has attributes that are unique to GodAll the life, all the energy that existed from infinity past was contained in he Father.
And He reproduced Himself in His only begotten Son.
When God told you that he already showed him/herself in religious texts ?Maybe show him/herself like he/she did in religious texts.