TagliatelliMonster
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Why?
I just told you: it concerns an actual health threat, not under the control of any human.
It's germs. Not wearing a mask while in a conversation, you could actually be killing that person.
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Why?
But covering up because of religious belief is bad?I just told you: it concerns an actual health threat, not under the control of any human.
It's germs. Not wearing a mask while in a conversation, you could actually be killing that person.
But covering up because of religious belief is bad?
Yes it is an inner struggle and the path to God is the path to be stronger minded to never do wrong action words and thoughts. For a spiritual person the "need" For the physical world become less and less. Yes one must still live in this world until death get us. But if we are strong in our faith and belief in God it become more easy to not be tempted to do wrong to other or self.
When you say you feel unwelcome, have you tried speaking with those ortodox jews? Maybe they are fantastic people you would likeDepends. There's many aspects to this so one can't simply generalize this.
There's the social aspect. In that sense niqaabs and burqa's, I would say, are indeed bad things. You effectively isolate yourself socially and make it extremely difficult to socially interact with others. You also destroy a whole bunch of job opportunities. That in turn will also cause personal issues.
Then there's also what I like to call "the tribal aspect".
I feel like in many cases, "religious clothing" is worn as if it is some kind of uniform. Like gang colors or something. The motivation then is not "to be humble" or whatever. It's instead just to let everyone know you belong to religious team X. Which in turn creates an "us and them" type situation.
This is not exclusive to muslims by any means.
When I walk around in Antwerp and cross the orthodox jewish neighbourhoods... I see them all walking around in their "costume" and the feeling I get is that I am "unwelcome" in a social sense. I feel very uninvited to converse with them or socially interact with them in general. By wearing their "gang colors" that way, they create their own little club and give people the feeling that you have to dress like them before socializing with them. This is the social isolation I was talking about. It creates an "us and them" world, which only leads to division - which never is a good thing society wise.
So is it "bad"? Not by default I guess. It all depends
However, I consider it 100% unnecessary and, in a lot of cases, socially unhealthy.
(all this was written from a free western secular perspective)
Maybe because my focus is om the internal whereas your focus is om the outside world?I feel like you didn't address the points I raised at all.
We all cover our face with mask these days, nobody complaining about not seeing the person they speak with then....
And no i do not support burka og niqab
I know some who do not like covid masks yes. Pushback on religious clothing is får more common, isn't it?Actually there has been plenty of pushback on masks.
Maybe because my focus is om the internal whereas your focus is om the outside world?
my social interaction is 90% online. I am very happy alone, not much need for the life with a lot of people around me.Well off course.
We live and interact with others in the outside world.
That's where social life takes place and since we are discussing social interaction................................
When you say you feel unwelcome, have you tried speaking with those ortodox jews? Maybe they are fantastic people you would like
Depends entirely on the rapist and what gets him off.
A walk in the park is not the equivalent of "going to war".
Let me ask you the reverse question about your morally bankrupt example...
Do you consider it less of a crime if the rapist rapes one or the other?
Do you consider the woman to be less of a victim if the rapist rapes on or the other?
Do you think the rapist's punishment should be different depending on which of both he rapes?
In short: do you think both rapes would be equivalent in every way? Or are you of the opinion that the "defense" of the rapist should include "softening circumstances" if the rape victim is the western women in a miniskirt and do you think the court should keep that into account when giving its verdict and eventual punishment?
I think this is absolutely disgusting victim-blaming nonsense.
Let's take this "logic" and drive it home, shall we?
2 men walk in the park. One wears regular western clothing. Jeans, shirt, sneakers. The other wears a traditional islamic middle eastern robe and has a long beard.
Who do you think is most likely to be beaten up if they cross violent racists?
Clearly, the one in the robe and with the beard, right?
So, therefor according to your logic, the one in the robe with the long beard is "putting himself in harms way".
Do you want me to draw the same analogy for orthodox jews, or do you get the sillyness of the point by now?
I know some who do not like covid masks yes. Pushback on religious clothing is får more common, isn't it?
Interesting how you avoid the difficult questions.Complete non sequitur and straw man so ill save myself the time and not reply. Take that as a W if you want, i wont waste my time because I have had this conversation before with people that think and reply in the manner you did and it AWLAYS leads to a waste of time since that person has already made up their mind and willfully chose to ignore what was said and chose to twist what was said to fit their narrative.
You can't answer that question for yourself?Mandatory for muslim woman, or for every woman?
Why is that? Is it because Muslim men can't control themselves? All sorts of other men seem to manage that reasonably well.Yes the quran do say it is correct practice for a female to cover their hair. To not create temptation for men. And to dress modesty
As a muslim man i should not even look at a woman on the street, because she is not for me and if she speak to me, eye-contact should be avoided
I can, just wanted it answered from non muslimsYou can't answer that question for yourself?
It has to do with being humble and it is wrong at Someone elses wife,sister and so on.Why is that? Is it because Muslim men can't control themselves? All sorts of other men seem to manage that reasonably well.
Eye contact is one of the ways that we treat each other as equals, as peers. So are you saying no woman, except the one you're sleeping with, can ever be your equal and peer?