Do we Realize Isaiah 13:10 Prophesied Betelgeuse Will go Supernova?

TransmutingSoul · Jan 18, 2020

Dave Watchman said:
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I know this is spooky stuff Tony.

I agree with the 457 + 2300 = 1844.

The 70 weeks were cut off, [cawthak], from the same start date as the 2300 erab boger.

70 weeks are cawthak, cut off, from the larger 2300 time period.

I think it means we're here.

All the times, times and half a times, 3 1/2 year, 42 month and 1260 day prophetic time periods are finished.

Even the 1290, from the Abomination, until the "darkened" sun.

That would mean we are on the verge of the millennium.

I think the prophetic voice has gone silent, silence in heaven, for about the space of half a hora.

A short season.

While we wait for our brothers and our fellow servants to enter into the world, to fill up the train.

The Devil might have bought for himself a bit more time.

Working through the composite beast, by popularizing abortions around the world.

But Jesus will not lose any that are given to Him by the Father.

"And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day. - John 6:39

Some of those are still being born.

No man can know when.

Only the Father in heaven knows.

But when we reach that number, these saints will go marching in.

Peaceful Sabbath.

I see the 70 and 69 week prophecies use the same start date of BC457 and foretell of Jesus The Christ and ultimately that Jesus the Christ would be cut of at the age of 33.

70 x 7 = 490 - 457 = 33 Christ cut off in His 33 year.

There is a lot available on this. To me It is all the recalculation that has muddied the waters.

Regards Tony

Dave Watchman · Jan 18, 2020

sooda said:
Date setters are typically con men.

And a gold mine is a hole in the ground, with a liar standing at the top of it.

Let God be true,
And I am a liar.

More dates to figure out:

1) The Netherlands (2000)

2) Belgium (2003)

3) Canada (2005)

4) Spain (2005)

5) South Africa (2006)

6) Norway (2009)

7) Sweden (2009)

8) Argentina (2010)

9) Iceland (2010)

10) Portugal (2010)

11) Denmark (2012)

12) Brazil (2013)

13) England and Wales (2013)

14) France (2013)

15) New Zealand (2013)

16) Uruguay (2013)

17) Luxembourg (2014)

18) Scotland (2014)

19) Finland: (signed 2015, effective 2017)

20) Ireland: (2015)

21) United States: (2015)<-------1290 Days------->Sun/Moon.

21) United States: (2015)<-------1290 Days------->EofW.

From the Abomination, until the End of these Wonders.

Calculate Duration Between Two Dates – Results

When will that Esther ever finish her wedding preparations,
For her marriage to the King?

Peaceful Sabbath.

Dave Watchman · Jan 18, 2020

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
I see the 70 and 69 week prophecies use the same start date of BC457 and foretell of Jesus The Christ and ultimately that Jesus the Christ would be cut of at the age of 33.

70 x 7 = 490 - 457 = 33 Christ cut off in His 33 year.

There is a lot available on this. To me It is all the recalculation that has muddied the waters.

That's good.

I agree.

He was cut off in the middle of the week.

But what me and my other girlfriend were talking about was something from another thread.

Something Isaac Newton was talking about with that enigmatic language of Daniel's 70 weeks also having an end time application to the Second Coming.

And so there does seem to be, two modern day decrees, 1535 AND 1969, that match with the 62 and 7 weeks.

Until Messiah the Prince.

It is spooky.

For the time being.

For the time remaining.

Peaceful Sabbath.

TransmutingSoul · Jan 18, 2020

Dave Watchman said:
That's good.

I agree.

He was cut off in the middle of the week.

But what me and my other girlfriend were talking about was something from another thread.

Something Isaac Newton was talking about with that enigmatic language of Daniel's 70 weeks also having an end time application to the Second Coming.

And so there does seem to be, two modern day decrees, 1535 AND 1969, that match with the 62 and 7 weeks.

Until Messiah the Prince.

It is spooky.

For the time being.

For the time remaining.

Peaceful Sabbath.

It is indeed a minefield of thought.

Regards Tony

SkepticThinker · Jan 21, 2020

wizanda said:
Sorry for not answering more clearly, it is explained in the thread...

In Isaiah 13:10 is the plural of the constellation Orion in Hebrew, which is the word Fools.

If we look at the news articles, we can see that Betelgeuse has dimmed in brightness dramatically; which is prophesied as just stated in Joel 2:30-32 before the Day of the Lord.

In my opinion.

30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Where? :shrug:

wizanda · Jan 21, 2020

SkepticThinker said:
Where?

Joel as a prophet is citing Isaiah 13:10 & Amos 5:8; which specifically lists which sun and moon shall be darkened in Orion.

We can see the sun Betelgeuse is dimmed in the news to be Blood Red... Amos 5, & Isaiah 13 are both Judgement Day coming, same in Joel 3.

In my opinion.

SkepticThinker · Jan 21, 2020

wizanda said:
Joel as a prophet is citing Isaiah 13:10 & Amos 5:8; which specifically lists which sun and moon shall be darkened in Orion.

We can see the sun Betelgeuse is dimmed in the news to be Blood Red... Amos 5, & Isaiah 13 are both Judgement Day coming, same in Joel 3.

In my opinion.

10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

He who made the Pleiades and Orion, who turns midnight into dawn and darkens day into night, who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out over the face of the land-- the LORD is his name.

Where?

wizanda · Jan 21, 2020

SkepticThinker said:
Where?

Constellations in Isaiah 13:10, is the plural of Orion in Hebrew...

Read the thread, we have been discussing the details.

In my opinion.

SkepticThinker · Jan 21, 2020

wizanda said:
Constellations in Isaiah 13:10, is the plural of Orion in Hebrew...

Read the thread, we have been discussing the details.

In my opinion.

I've been reading the thread.

I posted the Bible quotes you provided.

Still I have to ask, where? Because they don't say what you say they do.

wizanda · Jan 21, 2020

SkepticThinker said:
Still I have to ask, where? Because they don't say what you say they do.

Isaiah 13:10 כי־כוכבי השׁמים וכסיליהם לא יהלו אורם חשׁך השׁמשׁ בצאתו וירח לא־יגיה אורו׃

ו כסיל יהם = And their Fools (Constellations/Orions).

כסיל = Orion/Fool

In my opinion.

Left Coast · Feb 1, 2020

Dave Watchman said:
If the good Lord's willing,
And the creeks don't rise.

Until then.

Peaceful Sabbath.

Dave! The fateful day is here!

And yet....huh, no world-ending Armageddon, how strange.

So let's debrief, where did your Bible math go wrong?

sooda · Feb 1, 2020

wizanda said:
Joel as a prophet is citing Isaiah 13:10 & Amos 5:8; which specifically lists which sun and moon shall be darkened in Orion.

We can see the sun Betelgeuse is dimmed in the news to be Blood Red... Amos 5, & Isaiah 13 are both Judgement Day coming, same in Joel 3.

In my opinion.

Is there a blood moon every year?
A Blood Moon will usually occur around twice every three years. However, the number of total lunar eclipses during a year varies. In general the amount of total lunar eclipses in a year ranges from none to three. The next total lunar eclipse will occur on January 19, 2019.
Reference: www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/718549/Blood-Moon-2018-how-often-does-a-blood-moon-occur-…

wizanda · Feb 1, 2020

sooda said:
Is there a blood moon every year?

Isaiah 13:10, Amos 5:8, are about Orion, therefore Zechariah 14:7, & Joel 2:30-31 are all Betelgeuse at the Day of the Lord.

When Yeshua (Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:24, Luke 21:25) cited Isaiah 13:10 & Amos 5:8 it is about the Constellation Orion, and therefore the sun referenced is Betelgeuse.

The 2nd coming is at the same time as the supernova of Betelgeuse, where our Sun will become 7 times brighter, and our moon will become like the sun (Isaiah 30:26).

In my opinion.

wizanda · Feb 1, 2020

Left Coast said:
So let's debrief, where did your Bible math go wrong?

The maths has gone wrong so far, as literally people have not been smart enough to realize I'm the Archangel sent from Heaven, with the New Name of Christ across many of the world's religions.

Revelation 19:11-14 is about me online, where because religions have been rejected globally, humanity is soon washed in Fire from the Sun (Betelgeuse) in Revelation 19:17-19.

Ezekiel 38:8-12 speaks of the Zionist (Gog) stealing back Israel with Christendom's help (Magog); where when they start the war all the weapons are removed in a day by Fire (Brimstone) from the sky (Ezekiel 38:18-23, Ezekiel 39:1-8).

As Revelation 19:18 says to eat the flesh of kings, this is a citation of after the fire cleanses our planet, the animals will eat the remaining carcasses (Ezekiel 39:17-19).

I feel very sorry for you all thinking it isn't happening, when Betelgeuse is set to supernova soon; regardless of anyone believing it.

In my opinion.

Left Coast · Feb 1, 2020

wizanda said:
The maths has gone wrong so far, as literally people have not been smart enough to realize I'm the Archangel sent from Heaven, with the New Name of Christ across many of the world's religions.

Revelation 19:11-14 is about me online, where because religions have been rejected globally, humanity is soon washed in Fire from the Sun (Betelgeuse) in Revelation 19:17-19.

Ezekiel 38:8-12 speaks of the Zionist (Gog) stealing back Israel with Christendom's help (Magog); where when they start the war all the weapons are removed in a day by Fire (Brimstone) from the sky (Ezekiel 38:18-23, Ezekiel 39:1-8).

As Revelation 19:18 says to eat the flesh of kings, this is a citation of after the fire cleanses our planet, the animals will eat the remaining carcasses (Ezekiel 39:17-19).

I feel very sorry for you all thinking it isn't happening, when Betelgeuse is set to supernova soon; regardless of anyone believing it.

In my opinion.

Your own link:

"Luckily for us, Betelgeuse is very far away – about 700 light-years. Therefore, we shouldn’t worry about Earth being obliterated by the explosion, although some radiations could reach us.

Therefore, we’ll have all the time in the world to explore deep space and understand our role in the Universe as much as possible. Don’t worry about Betelgeuse, and take your time to increase your knowledge about the world we live in!"

Dave Watchman · Feb 2, 2020

Left Coast said:
Dave! The fateful day is here!

And yet....huh, no world-ending Armageddon, how strange.

So let's debrief, where did your Bible math go wrong?

Yes that IS strange Francoise .

I guess we're all glad that it didn't end .

But what did I say?

Did I say Armegeddon would start?

Did I say that the world would end?

Dave Watchman said:
It think something should be due to begin in January based on the Isaac Newton material on the two applications of the 70 week prophecy.

I lost track of the thread, but it was the 1535 decree that dovetailed with the January 1969 Knesset decree to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem.

1969 + 49 = 2018 which is the "compass of a Jubilee", as Isaac put it, which points to the 50th year being the year..

Until Messiah the Prince?

I said: It "I think something should be due to begin in January based on the Isaac Newton material on the two applications of the 70 week prophecy.

I know you think my math is dubious, but I still think it's good.

At the primary application to the prophecy, we saw 62 weeks, and 7 weeks until Messiah the Prince. That being the 69 weeks of years (483) that ran from the Artaxerxes decree in 457 BC, until 27 AD. (Don't count the zero year)

"In the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar,
Pontius Pilate being governor of Judea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee,

And what happened then?

Did Jesus just immediately show up nailed to the cross?

Nope.

He showed up in 27 AD quietly reading from the Isaiah Scroll in the Temple in Luke 4 where He said:

"to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”

The YEAR of the Lord's Favor?

The year of recompense?

For the cause of Zion?

I'm pulling a Yogi Berra on it right now.

But it's still a spooky deal.

I'm still thinking on it.

I got sidetracked.

The people in my area are scared right now.

They are buying up all the N95 masks.

There's none to be found.

Not at Lowe's, or Home Depot or the Canadian Tire Store.

"It ain't over till it's over."

At the time he said this, in July 1973, Berra's Mets trailed the Chicago Cubs by 9½ games in the National League East. The Mets rallied to clinch the division title in their second-to-last game of the regular season, and eventually reach the World Series.

"You will not fear the terror of night,
nor the arrow that flies by day,

"Nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness,
Nor the plague that destroys at midday. - Psalm 91:5-6

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Left Coast · Feb 2, 2020

Let's review, shall we?

Dave Watchman said:
So if these final 49 years ARE the "compass of a Jubilee", as Newton put it, pointing to the 50th year, I might be looking for something apocalyptic to happen on or BEFORE some unknown date in January 2020.

Left Coast said:
So if "something apocalyptic" doesn't happen by February 1st, are you going to come back this thread and admit you got it wrong?

Dave Watchman said:
I wouldn't be afraid to do that.

Left Coast said:
Or are you going to grab a headline of something bad that happened somewhere that could lead to something apocalyptic (which you could do any month of any year) and say that the prophecy was fulfilled?

Dave Watchman said:
Nope, this thing, the four blood moons, and specifications surrounding the Revelation 12 sign, 1290 days from the Abomination until the "darkened sun, 7 sets of seventy weeks from the Exodus, until the Comet and the Fig Tree Generation is enough events for me that seem to be irreplaceable in time.

So our agreement was, something apocalyptic happens before yesterday, or you come back and admit you were wrong.
And I specifically pre-empted any attempt by you to say, "well something started during that time..." because this isn't my first rodeo. You're not the first Christian to make a failed prophecy.

And you agreed you wouldn't rationalize that way.

And yet, what have you now done?:

Dave Watchman said:
I said: It "I think something should be due to begin in January based on the Isaac Newton material on the two applications of the 70 week prophecy...Did Jesus just immediately show up nailed to the cross?

So just stop. You're doing exactly what you said you wouldn't do. Admit you were incorrect, and stop rationalizing.

sooda · Feb 2, 2020

wizanda said:
Joel as a prophet is citing Isaiah 13:10 & Amos 5:8; which specifically lists which sun and moon shall be darkened in Orion.

We can see the sun Betelgeuse is dimmed in the news to be Blood Red... Amos 5, & Isaiah 13 are both Judgement Day coming, same in Joel 3.

In my opinion.

Isaiah 13:10 is part of a prophecy against Babylon.

Dave Watchman · Feb 2, 2020

Left Coast said:
Let's review, shall we?

So our agreement was, something apocalyptic happens before yesterday, or you come back and admit you were wrong.
And I specifically pre-empted any attempt by you to say, "well something started during that time..." because this isn't my first rodeo. You're not the first Christian to make a failed prophecy.

And you agreed you wouldn't rationalize that way.

And yet, what have you now done?:

So just stop. You're doing exactly what you said you wouldn't do. Admit you were incorrect, and stop rationalizing.

Thanks for the review.

And I don't mind admitting that I am incorrect in interpreting the materials, but I remain convinced, at this time, that these two modern day decrees of 1535 and 1969 were intended to point at something relating to the coming of the Son of Man.

I can't envision, at this time, how this corona virus situation fits in with the Biblical eschatological narrative, if at all. But even as an aside to the Betelgeuse issue, I'm still watching it. Every 14 days the asymptomatic amoungst us incubate a new and deleterious number.

Another example would be the volcano in the Philippines. There are always volcanoes erupting. That would never prove to become an apocalyptic event unless dozens of big ones went off all at once.

But if closing down China, because of a new virus outbreak, were to cause a black swan economic event, that in itself might prove to become the catalyst for the end times where the man of sin will be revealed.

To be honest, I've taken a financial bet against my own theory. I bought some depressed oil stocks on the recent market downturn, betting on a rebound.

If the corona virus turns into a nothing burger, the Saudis should step back in, cut production, lend support back to the WTI price, and the oil shares will rebound.

But if this virus business is the stuff of the end of days, WTI may at some point go limit down, my oil companies will go BK, demand will be destroyed and I will call out to the rocks and to the mountains: "fall on me and hide me from the wrath of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb.

So spooky times they are.

China markets open up again tonight.

For the YEAR of the Rat.

Apocalyptic.

Apocalypse

"Apocalypse" (ἀποκάλυψις) is a Greek word meaning "revelation", "an unveiling or unfolding of things not previously known and which could not be known apart from the unveiling".

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Left Coast · Feb 2, 2020

Dave Watchman said:
Thanks for the review.

And I don't mind admitting that I am incorrect in interpreting the materials, but I remain convinced, at this time, that these two modern day decrees of 1535 and 1969 were intended to point at something relating to the coming of the Son of Man.

I can't envision, at this time, how this corona virus situation fits in with the Biblical eschatological narrative, if at all. But even as an aside to the Betelgeuse issue, I'm still watching it. Every 14 days the asymptomatic amoungst us incubate a new and deleterious number.

Another example would be the volcano in the Philippines. There are always volcanoes erupting. That would never prove to become an apocalyptic event unless dozens of big ones went off all at once.

But if closing down China, because of a new virus outbreak, were to cause a black swan economic event, that in itself might prove to become the catalyst for the end times where the man of sin will be revealed.

To be honest, I've taken a financial bet against my own theory. I bought some depressed oil stocks on the recent market downturn, betting on a rebound.

If the corona virus turns into a nothing burger, the Saudis should step back in, cut production, lend support back to the WTI price, and the oil shares will rebound.

But if this virus business is the stuff of the end of days, WTI may at some point go limit down, my oil companies will go BK, demand will be destroyed and I will call out to the rocks and to the mountains: "fall on me and hide me from the wrath of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb.

So spooky times they are.

China markets open up again tonight.

For the YEAR of the Rat.

Apocalyptic.

Apocalypse

"Apocalypse" (ἀποκάλυψις) is a Greek word meaning "revelation", "an unveiling or unfolding of things not previously known and which could not be known apart from the unveiling".

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You're still doing it. Rationalizing how today's headlines might become something catastrophic. Which you can do any month, of any year, about something going on in the world.

In all likelihood, you're going to keep doing it, no matter what happens. As so many people who make false prophecies do.

Do we Realize Isaiah 13:10 Prophesied Betelgeuse Will go Supernova?

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