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The biogeographic evidence for evolution

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
"Morphology is a branch of biology dealing with the study of the form and structure of organisms and their specific structural features.[1]

This includes aspects of the outward appearance (shape, structure, colour, pattern, size), i.e. external morphology (or eidonomy), as well as the form and structure of the internal parts like bones and organs, i.e. internal morphology (or anatomy). This is in contrast to physiology, which deals primarily with function. Morphology is a branch of life science dealing with the study of gross structure of an organism or taxon and its component parts."
(Wiki)

No morphing?......really? Then please explain how those single-celled microscopic organisms "changed" (morphed) over time into something the size of a three story building....Then perhaps you can explain how that single cell organism just managed to "poof" itself into existence in the first place, and just as accidentally have the inbuilt mechanism to become anything else.....let alone a dinosaur....?

Show us your evidence.....but you already know that there isn't anything real or substantive to back up that scenario. It is assumed that it "must have" happened because science needs for that to be true.

"Might have"...."could have"...."leads us to the conclusion that..."....applies to a Creator too. It's called "belief".....you have beliefs too. You exercise faith in science, even though it can't prove anything that it assumes where macro-evolution is concerned. That is the uncomfortable truth, which is why I keep saying it. I will not be bullied into silence....
Oh.....my.....goodness. She gets told that evolution is not about one creature morphing into another, and in response she posts a description of the word "morphology" and says "No morphing?....really?"

I swear you can't make this stuff up.

EDIT: The emoji facepalm is insufficient to capture this moment....

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McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
This thread has now become a circus, imho.
I agree.
You have turned it into a complete circus in less than 65 posts...

I suspect that that is not even close to a record though.

Better luck next time.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
"Morphology is a branch of biology dealing with the study of the form and structure of organisms and their specific structural features.[1]

This includes aspects of the outward appearance (shape, structure, colour, pattern, size), i.e. external morphology (or eidonomy), as well as the form and structure of the internal parts like bones and organs, i.e. internal morphology (or anatomy). This is in contrast to physiology, which deals primarily with function. Morphology is a branch of life science dealing with the study of gross structure of an organism or taxon and its component parts."
(Wiki)

No morphing?......really?

You have to read what people write to you.

Absolutely nobody who understands and accepts evolution expects to see any creature "morphing" into any other creature.


Which is basically the same as I told you a few posts back.
Species speciate into subspecies. Species don't speciate into "another kind of creature". That just doesn't happen.

Eukaryotes produce more eukaryotes and subspecies thereof.
Vertebrates produce more vertebrates and subspecies thereof.
Tetrapods produce more tetrapods and subspecies thereof.
Mammals produce more mammals and subspecies thereof.
Primates produce more primates and subspecies thereof.
Homo Sapiens produce more Homo Sapiens and subspecies thereof.

Cats don't produce dogs.
There's no such thing as crockoducks either.


Then please explain how those single-celled microscopic organisms "changed" (morphed) over time into something the size of a three story building....

Gradually, over some 3 billion years, through accumulation of small changes over generations.

Nobody claims that single celled organisms speciated into a T-rex.
Just like nobody claims that a latin speaking mother raised a spanish speaking child.
Instead, latin gradually changed into spanish. Sound by sound, accumulated over generations.

Do you understand what the words "gradual" and "accumulation" mean?

Then perhaps you can explain how that single cell organism just managed to "poof" itself into existence in the first place,

Yea, because it's not like you haven't been told a bazillion times before that evolution only deals with that the processes that existing life is subject to and thus the origins of biodiversity, and not with the origins of life itself, ha?

Yes, I'm sure this is the first time in your life ever that somebody informed you about that.

:rolleyes:

and just as accidentally have the inbuilt mechanism to become anything else.....let alone a dinosaur....?

It's not exactly an "inbuilt mechanism". It's rather an inevitable consequence of imperfect replication.

If you have systems that self-replicate with variation and which are in competition over limited resources, then there are only 2 possible outcomes: extinction or evolution.

That's just mathematical / algoritmic fact.
Languages change over time for the exact same reason.


Show us your evidence.....

You've already been shown the evidence. The problem is that your idea of the process is so completely fubar that you don't understand the evidence and/or can't recognise it.

And this is demonstrated with every post you make. Like when you expose your ignorance concerning speciation. When you talk about the things that you think we should see if evolution is true, the things you describe would actually be things that would REFUTE evolution. That's how messed up your understanding of this process is.

Don't you consider that a problem?
Don't you think there is something wrong with your argument if your idea on what would be evidence FOR evolution, would actually be evidence AGAINST it?

I mean, if your understanding of it is THAT warped, honestly, what do you expect from us when you demand to see evidence? It's rather clear that you wouldn't recognise the evidence if and when presented....

It's like you are asking us to prove gravity by showing how hammers would float of into space when we drop them instead of falling to the earth. That's literally an equivalent of your "argument" here.

The kind of speciation event that YOU would want to see to support evolution, would actually falsify evolution. That's how bloody asanine and fubar your argument / belief / understanding is on the subject.

It's quite ridiculous.

but you already know that there isn't anything real or substantive to back up that scenario.

What I know, is that you wouldn't be able to recognise the real and substantive data that backs up that scenario, not because there is no such evidence, but rather because you have no clue about the scenario.

If you don't understand the process, you're also not going to understand the evidence.

And that ignorance is entirely on you. Because you're the one who's stubborness prevents you from actually learning it properly.

You have only yourself to blame for your ignorance.

It is assumed that it "must have" happened because science needs for that to be true.

The exact opposite is true and you know it.

YOU assume that it DID NOT happen because YOU need it to be FALSE, because YOU are the fundamentalist here with the a priori dogmatic religious belief.

YOU need the bible to be correct (or at least: your interepretation of it).
Science only wants accurate answers. Science has no incentive whatsoever to presume its answers. It only shoots itself in the foot when it does that.

While religion.... religion thrives on the status quo.

When a scientist challenges established science succesfully, he gets a medal.
When a fundamentalist challenges established fundamentalist doctrine, he gets banished, shunned and called "the devil" or whatever.

"Might have"...."could have"...."leads us to the conclusion that..."....applies to a Creator too.

No.

It's called "belief"


No. It's called tentative / provisional language. It's what the intellectually honest do.

.....you have beliefs too

And science has evidence.

. You exercise faith in science

No. I don't need faith when I have evidence.

, even though it can't prove anything that it assumes where macro-evolution is concerned.

False, as already explained in the previous post addressed to you which you seemingly completely ignored, unsurprisingly.

That is the uncomfortable truth, which is why I keep saying it. I will not be bullied into silence....

If anything, I'ld rather "bully" you into becoming educated.
How horrible of me, right? That I would prefer you to be informed on biology....

I'm such an evil evil man.



:rolleyes:
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
How's that?

Evolution says nothing about people of different skin colours being inferior or superior to people of other skin colours. In fact, it demonstrates the opposite - that we're basically all the same.

Are you in your 20's or perhaps younger? I grew up visiting paragons of truth like my beloved Museum of Natural History in New York, which featured displays showing living, modern humans as "aboriginal men" and a lesser species. Evolutionary geniuses delighted in explaining that people are other colors were lesser beings.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
What difference does that make? You are using etymology as the basis of a poor argument. We can see where your argument goes,but you need to remember the consequences of using such an argument. Try to reason rationally for once.

What difference does the etymology make of "Social Darwinism" as opposed to say, "Social Atheism" used to justify the murder of millions? YOU TELL ME.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Ya think?
You are not much of a noticer if it took you this long.
It just hit a new low. Just when one thinks one has heard the worst argument ever creationists will always surprise us with one that is even poorer.

i have learned to keep an emergency pair of oven mitts within reach.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
"Morphology is a branch of biology dealing with the study of the form and structure of organisms and their specific structural features.[1]

This includes aspects of the outward appearance (shape, structure, colour, pattern, size), i.e. external morphology (or eidonomy), as well as the form and structure of the internal parts like bones and organs, i.e. internal morphology (or anatomy). This is in contrast to physiology, which deals primarily with function. Morphology is a branch of life science dealing with the study of gross structure of an organism or taxon and its component parts."
(Wiki)

No morphing?......really? Then please explain how those single-celled microscopic organisms "changed" (morphed) over time into something the size of a three story building....Then perhaps you can explain how that single cell organism just managed to "poof" itself into existence in the first place, and just as accidentally have the inbuilt mechanism to become anything else.....let alone a dinosaur....?

Show us your evidence.....but you already know that there isn't anything real or substantive to back up that scenario. It is assumed that it "must have" happened because science needs for that to be true.

"Might have"...."could have"...."leads us to the conclusion that..."....applies to a Creator too. It's called "belief".....you have beliefs too. You exercise faith in science, even though it can't prove anything that it assumes where macro-evolution is concerned. That is the uncomfortable truth, which is why I keep saying it. I will not be bullied into silence....
This doesn't say that creatures "morph" into other creatures. Evolution operates on populations, not on individuals. So it does not predict that one individual organism is going to give birth to a totally different organism - that would violate the law of monophyly. Evolution doesn't say that single celled organisms "poofed" into existence and became something else. There is no poofing. The "poofing" idea comes from those who suggest god(s) poofed everything into existence.

You do not understand evolution after all this time. I have seen many people explain all of this to you. I suggest doing some reading on cladistics.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Are you in your 20's or perhaps younger? I grew up visiting paragons of truth like my beloved Museum of Natural History in New York, which featured displays showing living, modern humans as "aboriginal men" and a lesser species. Evolutionary geniuses delighted in explaining that people are other colors were lesser beings.
I'm 40 years old. I understand evolution fairly well, I think, and I don't see anything about it that shows any humans are more or less evolved than any others. It's just not how it works.

The word "aboriginal" doesn't mean "lesser species." And I don't recall any "evolutionary geniuses" delighting in telling me that people of other colours are lesser beings.
So I really have no idea what you're talking about.
 

Astrophile

Active Member
Are you aware that Sociology textbooks often teach that Social Darwinism is a former belief, a false belief, and that Hitler and Stalin, et al, ADORED it and used it to justify mass murder?

This sentence is ambiguous. Does it mean 'Sociology textbooks often teach that ... Hitler and Stalin et al. ADORED [Social Darwinism] and used it to justify mass murder', or 'Are you aware that ... Hitler and Stalin et al. ADORED [Social Darwinism] and used it to justify mass murder?'

The first interpretation means that you are saying something about what Sociology textbooks teach about the beliefs of Hitler and Stalin; the second means that you are saying something about what Hitler and Stalin actually believed and asking us whether we are aware of their beliefs.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
This sentence is ambiguous. Does it mean 'Sociology textbooks often teach that ... Hitler and Stalin et al. ADORED [Social Darwinism] and used it to justify mass murder', or 'Are you aware that ... Hitler and Stalin et al. ADORED [Social Darwinism] and used it to justify mass murder?'

The first interpretation means that you are saying something about what Sociology textbooks teach about the beliefs of Hitler and Stalin; the second means that you are saying something about what Hitler and Stalin actually believed and asking us whether we are aware of their beliefs.
I have yet to see BilliardsBall giving a list of those “sociology” textbooks that have chapters on what Hitler say or believe.

BilliardsBall have been so evasive. He still refused to give a single book are used in colleges or universities.

I have never taken any sociology subject before, but I am very doubtful that any textbook would teach Social Darwinism, let alone teach about what Hitler or any dictator or any communist regime believe in.

He make conspiracy theory claims and flatly refused to disclose where he getting these sociology textbooks from. I have grave doubt that BilliardsBall have ever use any textbook whatsoever.

Typical creationist tactics.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
I'm 40 years old. I understand evolution fairly well, I think, and I don't see anything about it that shows any humans are more or less evolved than any others. It's just not how it works.

The word "aboriginal" doesn't mean "lesser species." And I don't recall any "evolutionary geniuses" delighting in telling me that people of other colours are lesser beings.
So I really have no idea what you're talking about.

Again, I grew up growing to museums where aboriginal man was shown as lesser than homo sapiens sapiens (modern man).

This kind of thinking underlies what was called "Social Darwinism".
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
Again, I grew up growing to museums where aboriginal man was shown as lesser than homo sapiens sapiens (modern man).

This kind of thinking underlies what was called "Social Darwinism".
And I grew up around Christians who believed blacks and other dark-skinned peoples had the "curse of Ham" and therefore were destined by God to be lowly servants.

That kind of thinking was behind what was called "Bible believing Christians".
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Again, I grew up growing to museums where aboriginal man was shown as lesser than homo sapiens sapiens (modern man).

This kind of thinking underlies what was called "Social Darwinism".
Seriously? Okay then:

"Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them position: relative against the rocks."

That is the sort of thinking that underlies what is called "Fundamental Christianity".

Seriously, when you live in a glass house you should not be throwing stones.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Which museums? What do you mean by "lesser?" Did the museum suggest that aboriginals aren't homo sapiens sapiens?

I already gave an example, New York's much-vaunted Museum of Natural History. Aboriginal man and other living humans were shown as less-evolved than modern man, disgusting.
 
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