Why do they look so different?

74x12 · Oct 20, 2019

ChristineM said:
My guess is the bible authors didnt have a clue what they were talking about.

Explain how a black couple can have a white baby then. https://nypost.com/2010/07/21/blond-bombshell/

My point is that if Ham was black and even his wife then they could have had a lighter skinned son (in this case Mizraim) and a darker son(Cush).

Howard Is · Oct 20, 2019

Brickjectivity said:
We're all just trying to reverse engineer it to guess at what people where trying to use it for three thousand years ago.

OK. I get that.
It brings to mind the Dreamtime stories of the aboriginal Australians.
I doubt that those creation myths were ever meant to be taken literally. In fact I think that in a sense they pay respect to our awesome ignorance, highlighting it with stories that are clearly flights of imagination.
Woven into the telling of the stories is a lot of subtle cultural information.

It is so easy to misunderstand cultural artifacts, as you no doubt know. For example, there has been a lot of interest in native Australian ‘art’, the dot paintings that are now emblematic of aboriginal culture. Those paintings were not ‘art’ for the fifty thousand years prior to the twentieth century. They were coded resource maps, providing updates on environmental conditions and food sources.

What is painted and hung in galleries today bears only the most superficial relationship to what it mimics.

And similarly....
(you connect the dots, ha ha)

ChristineM · Oct 21, 2019

Jayhawker Soule said:
At least a far less condescending one, but I'll let you return to your own little playing field.

Ahh. Less consicending, have you read your posts?

So seeing how you are taking this stance please explain your reasoning that bronze age man (fact) knew anything about historical migration patterns.

ChristineM · Oct 21, 2019

74x12 said:
Explain how a black couple can have a white baby then. https://nypost.com/2010/07/21/blond-bombshell/

My point is that if Ham was black and even his wife then they could have had a lighter skinned son (in this case Mizraim) and a darker son(Cush).

The OP bared discussion of DNA which rules out be discussing genetics so lets say god did it with god magic ;-)

Native · Oct 21, 2019

crossfire said:
8 Cush fathered Nimrod, who was the first powerful man on earth. 9 He was a powerful hunter in the sight of the Lord. That is why it is said, “Like Nimrod, a powerful hunter in the sight of the Lord.” 10 His kingdom started with Babylon, Erech, Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar. 11 From that land he went to Assyria and built Nineveh, Rehoboth-ir, Calah, 12 and Resen, between Nineveh and the great city Calah.

According to the myth of Nimrod this figure wasn´t even a human - Nimrod - Wikipedia
Quote:
"Attempts to match Nimrod with historically attested figures have failed. Nimrod may not represent any one personage known to history and various authors have identified him with several real and fictional figures of Mesopotamian antiquity, including the Mesopotamian god Ninurta".

calm · Oct 21, 2019

Saint Frankenstein said:
The Copts are the indigenous Egyptians. Their language is descended from ancient Egyptian. They face a lot of persecution and violence in their own homeland.

Also these Coptic Egyptians look like Semites and not like Hamites.

calm · Oct 21, 2019

shunyadragon said:
. . . because this Biblical record is not meaningful concerning the history of humanity.

They are meaningful.

shunyadragon said:
The evolution of the races and ethnicity is hundreds of thousands to millions of years with the migration of our ancestral humans out of Africa.

Firstly, the people and the earth are not millions years old.
Secondly, the whole "evolution" is wrong.
Thirdly, you should not believe what the "science" tells you.

shunyadragon · Oct 21, 2019

calm said:
They are meaningful.

Firstly, the people and the earth are not millions years old.
Secondly, the whole "evolution" is wrong.
Thirdly, you should not believe what the "science" tells you.

Science does not tell me anything as you are making a vain effort to demand. Science is based on objective verifiable evidence that any one can confirm by the scientific methods that all science is based on, including computers, cars, and airplanes.

You are clinging to ancient paradigm with self-imposed ignorance of the real world around you.

calm · Oct 21, 2019

shunyadragon said:
You are clinging to ancient paradigm with self-imposed ignorance of the real world around you.

I cling to the bible which is the truth and the true science.

BilliardsBall · Oct 21, 2019

ChristineM said:
My guess is the bible authors didnt have a clue what they were talking about.

It's hard to take seriously someone whose avatar is a dead, empty skull.

BilliardsBall · Oct 21, 2019

shunyadragon said:
Science does not tell me anything as you are making a vain effort to demand. Science is based on objective verifiable evidence that any one can confirm by the scientific methods that all science is based on, including computers, cars, and airplanes.

You are clinging to ancient paradigm with self-imposed ignorance of the real world around you.

Prove that. After all, it is an almost slanderous, and highly rude (for someone who believes in nonviolence) picture you're painting of a fellow human.

shunyadragon · Oct 21, 2019

BilliardsBall said:
Prove that. After all, it is an almost slanderous, and highly rude (for someone who believes in nonviolence) picture you're painting of a fellow human.

Again, again, and again no proof of anything except in logic and math..

I will up front condemn the rejection of science based on a religious agenda only. This the same problem as your view of science.

ChristineM · Oct 21, 2019

BilliardsBall said:
It's hard to take seriously someone whose avatar is a dead, empty skull.

Says the one who's avatar is a piece of plastic for getting knocked about, hypocrite much?

If you knew the history of my avatar perhaps you would have even more to say about in how many different ways it disproves genesis... Wanna go there?

Saint Frankenstein · Oct 21, 2019

calm said:
Also these Coptic Egyptians look like Semites and not like Hamites.

Who cares. The Semite and Hamite thing from the Bible is mythological. Founding myths are one of the most common motifs in all of world mythology.

Valjean · Oct 22, 2019

Christian folklore has nothing to do with this question. This is a question of genetics and migration patterns.
Look to Anthropology, not religion, for the answer.

Aupmanyav · Oct 22, 2019

calm said:
Ham had 2 children, Mizraim (Egypt) and Cush (Ethiopia). Both brothers must have looked similar, because they have the same father and mother. Now my question is, why do the Ethiopians look so different from today's Egyptians?

Simple, Calm. Mizraim's wife may have been of a lighter skin-shade than Cush's wife. Does Bible mention Mizraim's or Cush's skin-shade?

shunyadragon · Oct 22, 2019

calm said:
I cling to the bible which is the truth and the true science.

Science is supported by a long history of objective verifiable evidence and research. You have provided none only statements of belief based on faith.

Still waiting . . .

sealchan · Oct 22, 2019

ChristineM said:
Well you limit your options denying DNA tests in the answer. Any other answer is just guesswork

And probably misguided enough to be guaranteed to be fatally flawed.

sealchan · Oct 22, 2019

calm said:
Ham had 2 children, Mizraim (Egypt) and Cush (Ethiopia). Both brothers must have looked similar, because they have the same father and mother. Now my question is, why do the Ethiopians look so different from today's Egyptians? Why are the Ethiopians black but the modern Egyptians white and that although the Egyptians live in a place where it is on average hotter than in Ethiopia? Has Ham fathered a black and a white son at the same time? Or are today's Egyptians actually the children of Abraham from the tribe of Ishmael?(so semites) But where then are the descendants of ancient Egypt?

Can anyone here give a Biblical answer without any DNA tests or the like?

From the Biblical point of view, unless it is directly explained then it is not explained.

From a literary and folklore point of view you have the following:

There are many examples in the Bible of how a people and their historical character or fate are given a single individual as a progenitor; a stand-in whose name or experience gives rise to that fate. It's especially good for you if you come away with a name change over the course of your life.

There is a long standing motif of the origin story in worldwide myth that explains the origin of a people or a geographical feature via some story from the ancient past. The outcome guides the creative invention of the origin story.

Aupmanyav · Oct 22, 2019

Oh no. It is a fact that Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala created Adam (May peace be upon him) and all humanity is from him only through Eve.

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