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Celebrating Xmas

Messianic Israelite

Messianic Israelite

Active Member
9-10ths_Penguin said:
Just because something has Pagan origind doesn't mean it's not Christian. Religions co-opt stuff from each other all the time.

I mean, Yahweh was co-opted from the traditional polytheistic religion of the Canaanites. This doesn't mean that worship of Yahweh isn't a genuine part of Judaism and Christianity.

Yahweh
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No that's not true. The worship of Yahweh was the original worship established in the Garden of Eden. Thus Chemosh was the mighty one of the Moabites, Milcom the mighty one of the Ammonites, Qaus the mighty one of the Edomites, and Yahweh the "El of Israel".
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

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Messianic Israelite said:
No that's not true. The worship of Yahweh was the original worship established in the Garden of Eden. Thus Chemosh was the mighty one of the Moabites, Milcom the mighty one of the Ammonites, Qaus the mighty one of the Edomites, and Yahweh the "El of Israel".
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I strongly doubt all that, but it's irrelevant to my point.

Wherever you think the Canaanites got the idea of Yahweh (and all their other gods) from, the people who became the ancient Jews got the idea of Yahweh from the Canaanites.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Milton Platt said:
We have a fruit cake, still unopened, which has been re gifted every Christmas for many years to another lucky member of the family. I suspect it has long ago been mummified.....
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It has been scientifically proven that fruitcake never goes bad. It just keeps coming back... year after year...
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
exchemist said:
What a puritanical prig you are!

Christmas has for centuries been a beautiful and happy celebration of the birth of Our Lord, which has inspired countless works of art and given joy to millions. It does not matter in the least that it may have co-opted the Roman Saturnalia, or other pagan European winter festivals. And who is to say that these pre-Christian festivals were "evil"? Is it "evil" to have a good time? Is it "evil" not to be aware of the gospels, before they have even been written?

As for the notion that children are psychologically damaged by the myth of Father Christmas, what pompous twaddle. By the way, there is no connection I can find between "Old Nick" as a synonym for the Devil and St Nicholas. The origin seems obscure, though I did find some speculations here: Why is the English devil "old"?
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I suspect the Op got its faulty information here: THE EVIL ORIGINS OF CHRISTMAS ANOTHER SATANIC HOLIDAY
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
TagliatelliMonster said:
Coca Cola then went big on Santa in it's christmass themes and helped spread this addition to christmas.
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Red was not a Christmas color until the Coca-Cola ad campaign of the 1920s. Traditionally the color was green.

TagliatelliMonster said:
Saint Nicolas in the US somehow shifted from the 6th of december to the 25th and somehow merged with christmas
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The 25th was when Augustus' birth was celebrated. Jesus as the Christ and King of heaven is a direct ripoff of the Roman hero Augustus. Xtians appropriated the birthday.

exchemist said:
Father Christmas (traditionally dressed in green rather than red)
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See above.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
9-10ths_Penguin said:
It seems that the only way to pay more attention to "what God wants" is to defer to people who claim to speak for God.

So yes, it could hurt.
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No, one can pay attention to one's own inner self. It's probably a better way than listening to religious pundits.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Messianic Israelite said:
No that's not true. The worship of Yahweh was the original worship established in the Garden of Eden. Thus Chemosh was the mighty one of the Moabites, Milcom the mighty one of the Ammonites, Qaus the mighty one of the Edomites, and Yahweh the "El of Israel".
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You've really got to stop drinking bleach. Just sayin'...
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Milton Platt said:
Fruit cake and Twinkies.....:p
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Twinkies will certainly survive the nuclear holocaust, the next Ice Age, and with all probability the Tribulation and Second Coming.

Jesus will descend on a cloud with the sound of trumpets, and a box of Ding Dongs in his right hand.
 
Milton Platt

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
sojourner said:
Twinkies will certainly survive the nuclear holocaust, the next Ice Age, and with all probability the Tribulation and Second Coming.

Jesus will descend on a cloud with the sound of trumpets, and a box of Ding Dongs in his right hand.
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I have my storage shed filled with cases of Twinkies in preparation for the apocalypse. Forget those idiot preppers with their freeze dried meals and jerky, what do they know? While they are dining on hard tack, I will be having desert every day!
(Thanks for the reminder about the Ding Dongs. Variety is the spice of life. I will adjust my inventory appropriately).
 
Guitar's Cry

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Messianic Israelite said:
I don't understand how or why on this forum people can post threads about Xmas on the Chr-stianity or Jewish sections of the site. Xmas is pagan. The only place Xmas belongs is the Pagan Dir.
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I don't think most Pagans mind. Until that whole "Keep Christ in Christmas" stuff comes up and then it's all "Keep the Yule Log in Yule."

And Sun vs. Son...same thing, really.
 
MikeDwight

MikeDwight

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Ya so, Christ wasn't made on Christmas, Christ never promoted his Birth, Christ never mentioned his mom's choices , how'd it end up as "Christ"mas. Take the "Christ" out of Xmas. Some stars showed some guys who knew stuff to where a birth happened. God isn't even present on this day in an active capacity. Supposedly God was a little infant for some time which is incubational and interesting.
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
MikeDwight said:
Ya so, Christ wasn't made on Christmas, Christ never promoted his Birth, Christ never mentioned his mom's choices , how'd it end up as "Christ"mas. Take the "Christ" out of Xmas. Some stars showed some guys who knew stuff to where a birth happened. God isn't even present on this day in an active capacity. Supposedly God was a little infant for some time which is incubational and interesting.
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X is the Greek symbol for Christ. Mas means Mass or Christ Mass.
 
MikeDwight

MikeDwight

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Presumably Christ cares you did that? Which one is the Lord here, the people or Christ? Christ cared that you did that? He disowns his mother in 4 Gospels. He said I don not have a mother. No Godhead of the Triune promoted you to celebrate this birth. All Gospels proclaim to you, Christ was already made before the world and before Abraham. They all proclaim his long lineage and character and his certain birth in Israel.
 
MikeDwight

MikeDwight

Well-Known Member
No one read from my first post here the Church of Scotland never had Christmas? The Puritans sailed an Atlantic Ocean to be rid of Christmas. The Massachussettes State and many States outlawed Christmas. George Washington a military strategist Minimum, at Christmas midnight wished to slaughter the German Hessian celebrants of Christmas that would be drunk from Christmas, "the Germans make a big deal of Christmas" he said on the Crossing of the Deleware. Thank the Lord of our Fathers on the Birth of a nation that slaughters the celebrants of Christmas.

Its 1900 in Korea even when Horace Allen regrets that, both, the celebrations of Christmas and the turn of the new Century saw use of unbiblical songs, or 'the English songs" he said in a Presbyterian Tradition.
 
sooda

sooda

Veteran Member
MikeDwight said:
No one read from my first post here the Church of Scotland never had Christmas? The Puritans sailed an Atlantic Ocean to be rid of Christmas. The Massachussettes State and many States outlawed Christmas.

George Washington a military strategist Minimum, at Christmas midnight wished to slaughter the German Hessian celebrants of Christmas that would be drunk from Christmas, "the Germans make a big deal of Christmas" he said on the Crossing of the Deleware. Thank the Lord of our Fathers on the Birth of a nation that slaughters the celebrants of Christmas.

Its 1900 in Korea even when Horace Allen regrets that, both, the celebrations of Christmas and the turn of the new Century saw use of unbiblical songs, or 'the English songs" he said in a Presbyterian Tradition.
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George Washington at Christmas. Well, yes he did. Christmas was an important religious holiday in Washington’s time and the twelve nights of Christmas, ending with balls and parties on January 6 extended the holiday season. For Washington, his Christmas experiences range from the joyous to the terrifying, from the mundane to the celebratory.

George Washington at Christmas · George Washington's Mount ...
www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/george-washington-at-christmas
 
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