Celebrating Xmas

[Messianic Israelite]

Xmas is soon to be here so I figured it would be about the right time to mention this practice. I don't understand how or why on this forum people can post threads about Xmas on the Chr-stianity or Jewish sections of the site. Xmas is pagan. The only place Xmas belongs is the Pagan Dir. All you have to do is look it up in an encyclopedia. December 25 was a sacred day for the worship of Zeus and other pagan mighty ones. Do we have any Zeus worshippers here? Then surely we should stop celebrating Xmas.

I can understand a pagan celebrating Xmas, or an atheist or some other religious groups that doesn't believe in the Bible and are religious hobbyists but not Bible believing people. Santa Claus who is also called Old Nick was one of Satan's names. Cutting down a tree and placing it in your home is a pagan practice Jeremiah spoke against in Jeremiah 10. Do you realise you're worshipping the s-u-n and not the s-o-n. Even if Yahshua was born on December 25, which he wasn't according to Luke 1, why make a pagan type of celebration out of it? We're commanded in the Bible to acknowledge and remember his death at the Passover. This is consistent with Ecclesiastes 7:1. Sadly, most Chr-stians don't bother to keep the Passover.

Has anyone ever read the account of the Maccabees, how in Maccabees 1:52-54 people died and were killed resisting pagan practices. Surely we can't be so weak to regard a day devoted to the Winter Solstice, a day of superstition where ancient people's thought that the sun was leaving them and had to be worshipped to bring it back again. How can anyone call Chr-stmas, Chr-stmas? It means the mass of Chr-st, yet it has nothing to do with the Messiah no matter how much wishful thinking would suppose otherwise.

I guess the question you have to ask yourself is, are you a pagan? I know some people proudly call themselves pagans. I had one such person at work in a supervisor role. Most pagan mighty ones were born around the winter solstice which was anciently set as December 25. The birthdays of Mithra was on December 25. Mithra symbolised the sun as did other heathen mighty ones like Osiris, Hercules and Bacchus who were all said to be born on that day. Interestingly, China;s pagan savior, Zas, was also born on December 25. Need I mention the Egyptian mighty one Horus, the Hindu mighty one Vishnu and the Syrian mighty one Tammuz had their birthdays on December 25.

Sun worship, through and through.
Saturnalia, Brumalia, Paganalia - it's all evil. If you transported some of these pagan people from the past and put them in a life setting of Xmas today, they would feel right at home. Even the legend of Santa Claus coming down the chimney was derived from the early Norsemen. Their stories tell of the mighty one called Hertha appearing on the hearth of the fireplace and bringing good luck to the house. Therefore a Santa Claus type figure came down the chimneys of these ancient Norse people.

I feel blessed. My parents, unlike most parents, never taught me Xmas or the Santa Claus myth. I wasn't psychologically damaged by the lies parents are telling their children. You do realise that these harmless lies are number 1 a violation of the 9 commandment and number 2 are going to injure your children mentally as they're going to grow to mistrust their parents and adults in general when they learn what they've been taught is a lie. Let's not add to the Word or diminish from it, but let us keep the commandments of Yahweh for our good (Deuteronomy 6). Let us all seek a blessing from Yahweh by eliminated eliminating what is displeasing to Him and you can be assured that Xmas is displeasing to Yahweh.

 

[MikeDwight]

The Church of Scotland historically never had Christmas nor the hermit-like Celtic Christianity of Ancient times. You might have heard a huge celebration of the marriage of Charlemagne and the Frankish Empire on Christmas Day? Much of this Roman Catholic Church is definitely adaptation.
That doesn't mean there aren't Many Christians in the world to celebrate, Thanksgiving is an English Reformed practice and holiday. Consider, Jesus Christ only made one celebration of our God, he broke Bread and gave thanks, the thousand loaves, or maybe the Lord's Prayer, or again on many occasions.
Orthodoxy may have adopted the Practice. Its hard to say. Whenever you get the chance of a calm family tradition and not a coercive street mob then we'll thank our lucky stars on the Protestant Reformation. Do you approve of basic Easter service? Some have Claimed to return only to the Festival of Unleavened Bread which seems like heresy.

 

[Revoltingest]

Christmas is a celebrated holiday in Revoltistan.
During the holiday, we over-eat, endure awful music, exchange
gifts we don't want, & invite over annoying family members.
We do this to appreciate the other days of the year.

 

[Jainarayan]

I don't understand how or why on this forum people can post threads about Xmas on the Chr-stianity or Jewish sections of the site. Xmas is pagan.

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Go up to the door, knock on the big huge doors or ring the huge carillon. Ask to see the Pope. He's a little old man in a white dress and brocade house slippers. Tell him all about it.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I do not celebrate Christmas

 

[Altfish]

I'm an atheists but Xmas is celebrated at the Altfish house; we don't go to church; we don't think of Jesus, we may do some communal Carol singing but only to be sociable.
Kids believe in Santa Clause; we are taking our Grandkids on a Santa Special on our local steam railway.

Christmas is great for family, even better when you remove the religious side of it.

 

[MikeDwight]

Ya Japan does it. John Lennon "So this is Christmas". Its officially Atheist. Proudly proclaimed atheists with no investment sell you Christmas.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm an atheists but Xmas is celebrated at the Altfish house; we don't go to church; we don't think of Jesus, we may do some communal Carol singing but only to be sociable.
Kids believe in Santa Clause; we are taking our Grandkids on a Santa Special on our local steam railway.

Christmas is great for family, even better when you remove the religious side of it.

There's a religious side?

 

[Altfish]

There's a religious side?

According to some.

 

[Revoltingest]

According to some.

Btw, a song from me favorite Christmas movie...

 

[ChristineM]

Most of the christian celebrations have their roots in older faiths.

We leave it up to the kids what midwinter celebration we have. We try to keep our celebration as true to original as possible.

For the last 3 years it's been Saturnalia. I am guessing because they get more presents and get to boss mom and dad around for a day.

 

[Desert Snake]

Its called saturnalia if you're a pagan.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Xmas is soon to be here so I figured it would be about the right time to mention this practice. I don't understand how or why on this forum people can post threads about Xmas on the Chr-stianity or Jewish sections of the site. Xmas is pagan. The only place Xmas belongs is the Pagan Dir. All you have to do is look it up in an encyclopedia. December 25 was a sacred day for the worship of Zeus and other pagan mighty ones. Do we have any Zeus worshippers here? Then surely we should stop celebrating Xmas.

I can understand a pagan celebrating Xmas, or an atheist or some other religious groups that doesn't believe in the Bible and are religious hobbyists but not Bible believing people. Santa Claus who is also called Old Nick was one of Satan's names. Cutting down a tree and placing it in your home is a pagan practice Jeremiah spoke against in Jeremiah 10. Do you realise you're worshipping the s-u-n and not the s-o-n. Even if Yahshua was born on December 25, which he wasn't according to Luke 1, why make a pagan type of celebration out of it? We're commanded in the Bible to acknowledge and remember his death at the Passover. This is consistent with Ecclesiastes 7:1. Sadly, most Chr-stians don't bother to keep the Passover.

Has anyone ever read the account of the Maccabees, how in Maccabees 1:52-54 people died and were killed resisting pagan practices. Surely we can't be so weak to regard a day devoted to the Winter Solstice, a day of superstition where ancient people's thought that the sun was leaving them and had to be worshipped to bring it back again. How can anyone call Chr-stmas, Chr-stmas? It means the mass of Chr-st, yet it has nothing to do with the Messiah no matter how much wishful thinking would suppose otherwise.

I guess the question you have to ask yourself is, are you a pagan? I know some people proudly call themselves pagans. I had one such person at work in a supervisor role. Most pagan mighty ones were born around the winter solstice which was anciently set as December 25. The birthdays of Mithra was on December 25. Mithra symbolised the sun as did other heathen mighty ones like Osiris, Hercules and Bacchus who were all said to be born on that day. Interestingly, China;s pagan savior, Zas, was also born on December 25. Need I mention the Egyptian mighty one Horus, the Hindu mighty one Vishnu and the Syrian mighty one Tammuz had their birthdays on December 25.

Sun worship, through and through.
Saturnalia, Brumalia, Paganalia - it's all evil. If you transported some of these pagan people from the past and put them in a life setting of Xmas today, they would feel right at home. Even the legend of Santa Claus coming down the chimney was derived from the early Norsemen. Their stories tell of the mighty one called Hertha appearing on the hearth of the fireplace and bringing good luck to the house. Therefore a Santa Claus type figure came down the chimneys of these ancient Norse people.

I feel blessed. My parents, unlike most parents, never taught me Xmas or the Santa Claus myth. I wasn't psychologically damaged by the lies parents are telling their children. You do realise that these harmless lies are number 1 a violation of the 9 commandment and number 2 are going to injure your children mentally as they're going to grow to mistrust their parents and adults in general when they learn what they've been taught is a lie. Let's not add to the Word or diminish from it, but let us keep the commandments of Yahweh for our good (Deuteronomy 6). Let us all seek a blessing from Yahweh by eliminated eliminating what is displeasing to Him and you can be assured that Xmas is displeasing to Yahweh.

Just because something has Pagan origind doesn't mean it's not Christian. Religions co-opt stuff from each other all the time.

I mean, Yahweh was co-opted from the traditional polytheistic religion of the Canaanites. This doesn't mean that worship of Yahweh isn't a genuine part of Judaism and Christianity.

Yahweh

 

[metis]

It's not as important that something was "pagan" at one time, but what is important is what does it mean now? No religion is a "pure religion", including Christianity, as so much was passed down over many centuries from other cultures and religions.

To put it another way, we learn from each other, and there is simply nothing intrinsically wrong with that. And Jesus taught that the essence of the Gospel is to love God and one another. And yes, it really is that simple.

 

[Left Coast]

Christianity has borrowed from paganism in a variety of ways, so I don't see why celebrating Christmas would be the line in the sand Christians shouldn't cross.

Jewish people generally don't celebrate Christmas, certainly not in a religious way.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I can understand a pagan celebrating Xmas, or an atheist or some other religious groups that doesn't believe in the Bible and are religious hobbyists but not Bible believing people.

How about a lot of the early saints, if you look them up they were often associated with prior divinities that once existed in converted regions.

Has anyone ever read the account of the Maccabees, how in Maccabees 1:52-54 people died and were killed resisting pagan practices.

Sure, probably one of the most macabre old texts in the biblical domain. We modern people would describe such compulsion as being immoral.

Surely we can't be so weak to regard a day devoted to the Winter Solstice, a day of superstition where ancient people's thought that the sun was leaving them and had to be worshipped to bring it back again.

Well, the changes of season are mysterious and awesome to behold to the human senses. Why would you not want your religion to recognize this. I would put nature closer to the core of what we should pay attention to, and may even say we are not above it. You however, seem to want to remove it completely from our attention. You're free to do what you want, but nature provides experiences that I'm not sure we are designed to merely transcend. I think things like Christmas and saints, and holidays marking seasonal changes make Christianity look more interesting.

 

[shmogie]

Xmas is soon to be here so I figured it would be about the right time to mention this practice. I don't understand how or why on this forum people can post threads about Xmas on the Chr-stianity or Jewish sections of the site. Xmas is pagan. The only place Xmas belongs is the Pagan Dir. All you have to do is look it up in an encyclopedia. December 25 was a sacred day for the worship of Zeus and other pagan mighty ones. Do we have any Zeus worshippers here? Then surely we should stop celebrating Xmas.

I can understand a pagan celebrating Xmas, or an atheist or some other religious groups that doesn't believe in the Bible and are religious hobbyists but not Bible believing people. Santa Claus who is also called Old Nick was one of Satan's names. Cutting down a tree and placing it in your home is a pagan practice Jeremiah spoke against in Jeremiah 10. Do you realise you're worshipping the s-u-n and not the s-o-n. Even if Yahshua was born on December 25, which he wasn't according to Luke 1, why make a pagan type of celebration out of it? We're commanded in the Bible to acknowledge and remember his death at the Passover. This is consistent with Ecclesiastes 7:1. Sadly, most Chr-stians don't bother to keep the Passover.

Has anyone ever read the account of the Maccabees, how in Maccabees 1:52-54 people died and were killed resisting pagan practices. Surely we can't be so weak to regard a day devoted to the Winter Solstice, a day of superstition where ancient people's thought that the sun was leaving them and had to be worshipped to bring it back again. How can anyone call Chr-stmas, Chr-stmas? It means the mass of Chr-st, yet it has nothing to do with the Messiah no matter how much wishful thinking would suppose otherwise.

I guess the question you have to ask yourself is, are you a pagan? I know some people proudly call themselves pagans. I had one such person at work in a supervisor role. Most pagan mighty ones were born around the winter solstice which was anciently set as December 25. The birthdays of Mithra was on December 25. Mithra symbolised the sun as did other heathen mighty ones like Osiris, Hercules and Bacchus who were all said to be born on that day. Interestingly, China;s pagan savior, Zas, was also born on December 25. Need I mention the Egyptian mighty one Horus, the Hindu mighty one Vishnu and the Syrian mighty one Tammuz had their birthdays on December 25.

Sun worship, through and through.
Saturnalia, Brumalia, Paganalia - it's all evil. If you transported some of these pagan people from the past and put them in a life setting of Xmas today, they would feel right at home. Even the legend of Santa Claus coming down the chimney was derived from the early Norsemen. Their stories tell of the mighty one called Hertha appearing on the hearth of the fireplace and bringing good luck to the house. Therefore a Santa Claus type figure came down the chimneys of these ancient Norse people.

I feel blessed. My parents, unlike most parents, never taught me Xmas or the Santa Claus myth. I wasn't psychologically damaged by the lies parents are telling their children. You do realise that these harmless lies are number 1 a violation of the 9 commandment and number 2 are going to injure your children mentally as they're going to grow to mistrust their parents and adults in general when they learn what they've been taught is a lie. Let's not add to the Word or diminish from it, but let us keep the commandments of Yahweh for our good (Deuteronomy 6). Let us all seek a blessing from Yahweh by eliminated eliminating what is displeasing to Him and you can be assured that Xmas is displeasing to Yahweh.

So, lets dissect your post.
December 25 was the date of a pagan holiday.

Some parts of Christmas tradition incorporate pagan practices.

Many Crimes are classified as specific intent crimes. You intended to commit the crime.

So, what intended lies did I tell my Children about Christmas that made little pagans out of them.

I told them that no one knew the date of Christś birth, but the tradition is to celebrate it on Dec. 25

I told them that the mythical Santa Claus came from a Bishop in Eastern Europe, named Nicholas ( thus the red and white clothing and candy canes shaped like a Bishops staff ). They were told that on Christmas Nicholas spent his money to give gifts to poor children.

I told them that the Christmas tree was a German custom, and it represented Christ. Being cut down, then raised again and the decorations represented His resurrected glory.

I told them gift giving was a token of love and thankfulness for whom the gifts are given.

No paganism at all.

They don´t think of pagans at all when Christmas comes and I read out loud the story of Christs birth.

I bet virtually every day of the year was a day held dear by some pagan culture, what if you worship God on that day, are you keeping a pagan holiday ?

You think God convicts without intent to commit a crime.

Paganism or itś symbols only have power over me if I give them that power.

I really don´t think God cares one whit about Christmas being on December 25, unless you are a pagan.

That day means nothing pagan to me, thus I am not convicted of keeping a pagan holiday.

So, declare your righteousness if you must. However, don´t condemn others for exercising the freedom of the Gospel. Christ is Christ on every day of the calendar, and no once pagan day has any power over He or His followers. God does not practice guilt by association.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Do we have any Zeus worshippers here?

Yes. Stop being rude. Your post was a bunch of factually incorrect, hateful blather. It's not associated with Zeus, anyway.

 

[metis]

"Christmas" is the "Mass of Christ", namely the day set aside in appreciation of Jesus' existence and teachings, focusing especially on his birth. From a Christian perspective, what's wrong with that?

 

[oldbadger]

Xmas is soon to be here so I figured it would be about the right time to mention this practice. I don't understand how or why on this forum people can post threads about Xmas on the Chr-stianity or Jewish sections of the site. Xmas is pagan. The only place Xmas belongs is the Pagan Dir. All you have to do is look it up in an encyclopedia. December 25 was a sacred day for the worship of Zeus and other pagan mighty ones. Do we have any Zeus worshippers here? Then surely we should stop celebrating Xmas.

I can understand a pagan celebrating Xmas, or an atheist or some other religious groups that doesn't believe in the Bible and are religious hobbyists but not Bible believing people. Santa Claus who is also called Old Nick was one of Satan's names. Cutting down a tree and placing it in your home is a pagan practice Jeremiah spoke against in Jeremiah 10. Do you realise you're worshipping the s-u-n and not the s-o-n. Even if Yahshua was born on December 25, which he wasn't according to Luke 1, why make a pagan type of celebration out of it? We're commanded in the Bible to acknowledge and remember his death at the Passover. This is consistent with Ecclesiastes 7:1. Sadly, most Chr-stians don't bother to keep the Passover.

Has anyone ever read the account of the Maccabees, how in Maccabees 1:52-54 people died and were killed resisting pagan practices. Surely we can't be so weak to regard a day devoted to the Winter Solstice, a day of superstition where ancient people's thought that the sun was leaving them and had to be worshipped to bring it back again. How can anyone call Chr-stmas, Chr-stmas? It means the mass of Chr-st, yet it has nothing to do with the Messiah no matter how much wishful thinking would suppose otherwise.

I guess the question you have to ask yourself is, are you a pagan? I know some people proudly call themselves pagans. I had one such person at work in a supervisor role. Most pagan mighty ones were born around the winter solstice which was anciently set as December 25. The birthdays of Mithra was on December 25. Mithra symbolised the sun as did other heathen mighty ones like Osiris, Hercules and Bacchus who were all said to be born on that day. Interestingly, China;s pagan savior, Zas, was also born on December 25. Need I mention the Egyptian mighty one Horus, the Hindu mighty one Vishnu and the Syrian mighty one Tammuz had their birthdays on December 25.

Sun worship, through and through.
Saturnalia, Brumalia, Paganalia - it's all evil. If you transported some of these pagan people from the past and put them in a life setting of Xmas today, they would feel right at home. Even the legend of Santa Claus coming down the chimney was derived from the early Norsemen. Their stories tell of the mighty one called Hertha appearing on the hearth of the fireplace and bringing good luck to the house. Therefore a Santa Claus type figure came down the chimneys of these ancient Norse people.

I feel blessed. My parents, unlike most parents, never taught me Xmas or the Santa Claus myth. I wasn't psychologically damaged by the lies parents are telling their children. You do realise that these harmless lies are number 1 a violation of the 9 commandment and number 2 are going to injure your children mentally as they're going to grow to mistrust their parents and adults in general when they learn what they've been taught is a lie. Let's not add to the Word or diminish from it, but let us keep the commandments of Yahweh for our good (Deuteronomy 6). Let us all seek a blessing from Yahweh by eliminated eliminating what is displeasing to Him and you can be assured that Xmas is displeasing to Yahweh.

My wife is an Agnostic, but she likes Christmas.
I'm a Deist and like Christmas.
Even our little hounds like Christmas because my wife wraps up dog-toy presents for them and enjoys watching them ripping off the wrapping paper.

So............ yeah, we'll be enjoying Christmas again this December, and listening to both Pagan and Christian Carols.

So who is going to try and stop us..... the Christmas Police?