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The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
You think the Germans were the first to invent the concentration or internment camp?
And, for what it's worth:
Definition of concentration camp
: a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard —used especially in reference to camps created by the Nazis in World War II for the internment and persecution of Jews and other prisoners
Definition of concentration camp
: a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard —used especially in reference to camps created by the Nazis in World War II for the internment and persecution of Jews and other prisoners
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
They were U.S. citizens. Their race/nationality alone shouldn't have been enough to deny their rights and freedoms. Imagine if had we done the same to every Muslim or Arab after 9/11.
Daemon Sophic
Avatar in flux
This. Precisely.
Except the ones worrying about a constitutional law professor were undeniable idiots. The lefties are concerned about an undeniable idiot narcissist, who has repeatedly claimed he won the popular vote when he didn’t; and has suggested many times that he should stay longer than 8 years, sometimes while admiring the techniques of dictators. Just saying.
We were also at war with Germany at the time. Tell me, where did we “detain” all da white folks?
Yeah.....Its an option.
An option punishable by a bullet to the head, on the spot, by your commanding officer, without a trial. Again, just saying.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
No, but Hitler has been the go to baddie when it comes to drawing such parallels and analogies.
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
And there you go. By definition Trump's refugee detainment centers are concentration camps.
Yes, 1st generation German immigrants should have been detained as potential threats under the system the US operated on.
If they all do it? Not sure you can just murder a whole squadron.Yeah.....Its an option.
An option punishable by a bullet to the head, on the spot, by your commanding officer, without a trial. Again, just saying.
It was an extreme safety measure but a measure nontheless.
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The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
People shouldn't automatically think "Hitler!" when someone mentions concentration camps. Why not think "Martin Van Buren"? Since he was one of the first to implement the policy when he ordered the internment of thousands of Cherokees into concentration camps or as he like to call them "emigration depots". Yes, my fellow Americans, we invented the damn concentration camp.
I believe they go further back Origin of concentration camps
They are either Spanish or British.
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
Van Buren's camp policy was created in 1838, the Spanish camps were built during the 1890's. Yay America! We got there first.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Yeah I'm sure they were all gassed and starved to death.
This tells me quite blatantly that you've never been to a concentration camp or know what went on in one. I've been to Dachau and seen the records, memoirs and photographs of what happened there. What is happening at the border is nothing like what happened at the Nazi concentration camps. Not even remotely close. We have detention centers and camps because people need to be vetted before we release them into society. Are there human traffickers or slaves among the migrants? Are they smugglers? Are they criminals trying to evade Mexican law? Are they terrorists? Do they meet the international definitions of either refugees or asylum seekers? Do they need immediate medical care and vaccinations?
Conditions at these camps would be better if the Democrats would have sucked it up and given Trump the funding he needs for border security. People are dying in the desert, measles and mumps outbreaks are running rampant in these camps, and the facilities are all overcrowded because the Democrats are hell-bent on opposing Trump at every turn and never giving him any kind of win. If border security had been given proper funding and resources, we could have avoided a lot of this and afforded to make necessary improvements to the detention centers, increase capacity, have better food for the detainees, and have funds to get enough for things like vaccinations.
Augustus
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This one always makes me chuckle.
The same people who ignore the entirety of human history and most passionately advocate that violence is some kind of 'dehumanising error' that can be 'fixed' tend to be the same people who most strongly believe we are simply matter that became sentient by chance; just another animal living in a purposeless universe.
So many of my fellow atheists think they have outgrown the need for childish myths... Awww, bless...
The prodigal children of St Paul return...
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
For ****'s sake the Germans weren't the first or last to use implement those policies in fact the U.S. were the first in our own genocidal campaign against Native Americans and I live in Los Angeles I heard plenty of stories about the internment camp. People need to get over the fact that Hitler and the Germans weren't the only bad guys in history! There have been plenty, it is just Hitler has the worst publicity.
A fine looking candidate there.Nice saying but...it's just a nice saying.
By the way, would you like a horse to go with that nice suit of armor? I do think this valiant steed is available:
The question...
Best smoked or BBQed?
The Reverend Bob
Fart Machine and Beastmaster
And. Your point?
And now they have their intellectual equals on the other side of the aisle.
That's not a point in favor of the idea that we are building concentration camps for the migrants at the southern border. The way we treated the Native Americans isn't even close to how we're treating the migrants coming in from Mexico. With the Native Americans, we were systematically destroying their populations, driving them off their ancestral lands and putting them in brutal camps until there were very few of them left--too few and too weak to ever pose a threat to us again. With the migrants at the southern border, we're just trying to find places to put them while we try and keep some semblance of organization. The detention centers suck, not because border patrol is trying to kill anybody, but because the detention centers were never designed to hold this many people for this long, and so many people are coming in we're having to create new detention centers on the fly without proper time or resources to adequately outfit them. We haven't seen a mass migration of people like this for more than a decade, and the numbers only keep increasing every month. We're not prepared to take in this many migrants, and we don't have the organizational infrastructure to handle it. And the Democrats have been doing their damnedest to keep it that way, until even the New York Times said "Congress, give Trump his money".