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Trumps off the hook

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Wink wink nudge nudge. Say no more, say no more. A wink is as good as a nudge to a blind bat.

But I call BS. Manafort gave that information with the intention to help the Russians interfere with the U.S. election. He knew this information would reach Russian intelligence and he knew they would use it.

That’s collusion to me.
Nah. Collusion would be when some people get together and fabricate a malicious and false report about a Candidate and then have their fellow travelers in the media trumpet it just before an election. You know, like the Steele dossier.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Which is irrelevant to whether Special Prosecutor Mueller’s investigation will produce more indictments. There will be no more indictments coming from his investigation.
"There will be no more indictments filed by Mueller on this investigation" <> "there will be no more indictments coming from this investigation."
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Nah. Collusion would be when some people get together and fabricate a malicious and false report about a Candidate and then have their fellow travelers in the media trumpet it just before an election. You know, like the Steele dossier.

"The most salacious claims in the dossier remain unproven two years after it first burst into the public conversation, but many of the allegations that form the bulk of the intelligence memos have held up over time, or have proven to be at least partially true."

Revisiting the Trump-Russia dossier: What's right, wrong and still unclear? - CNNPolitics
 

UpperLimits

Active Member
No. Obama didn't do those things. That's already been discussed on this thread, and I already cited a few sources that all indicate the claim Obama was doing it is a bunch of bull.
Of course. Fact check dot org says so, so it must be the gospel truth.

One has to wonder though how Trump managed to makes all those handling facilities and personnel systems (which have been operating in the same capacity since before Bush) and make it appear as though it was that way all along, even though he made them up without anybody else knowing...... But then again, Trump is the big colluder, isn't he? ;)
 

sealchan

Well-Known Member
Which is irrelevant to whether Special Prosecutor Mueller’s investigation will produce more indictments. There will be no more indictments coming from his investigation.

Mueller may not have any more indictments but others will. I'm willing to accept that there may be no evidence of collusion and be wholly satisfied with all the work being done to uncover all of the immoral, shameful, illegal personal and business practices he and his nepotistic family would have otherwise kept secret. Should be fun to watch Trump fume and pout through Twitter tantrums for the next two to six years while the left builds up a most fervent and effective power grab in corrective response. The Republicans are not going to enjoy the morning after their all-night debauchery with their xenophobic friends.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Outside of vindictiveness, what would be the point?

Seems to me this whole thing is about the Dems refusing to accept the fact that he won the 2016 election. Frankly, I'll laugh my butt off if the wins in 2020, too.
How is wishing to see justice being done vindictiveness? And why do so many people have such a hard time understanding that Mueller never could have indicted the President?
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
A powerful New York real estate developer and businessman like Donald J. Trump is somebody who did get around; he's probably dealt with some mob bosses. Any business dealings between Trump and Russian mobsters likely happened long ago, probably way past the statue of limitations.

Really? His offspring had a very recent transaction that strongly seems to say it happened just last year...
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yep. It will be interesting to see how this plays out politically. Will it corrode trust on the left in government while emboldening Trumps coziness with anti democratic leaders? Etc...
Hmmm....those aren't the questions which come to my mind.
- Will the left continue investigations & attempts to prosecute those connected with Trump?
- How will they use the report in the 2020 campaigns?
 

sealchan

Well-Known Member
For the record I can believe that Trump didn't collude with Russia. His narcissism made it such that it was really hard to tell in how he was responding to everything that was going on. He is one of the least decent persons ever to grace public office and any question of his character that irritates him is perhaps worth the effort excepting that it will feed his martyr complex indefinitely.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Just heard another talking head on NPR claim the report shows the opposite of exoneration.
Really? That seems really at odds with everything I've read so far.
NPR wouldn't lie, would they?
I wonder how soon this affair will settle down to the point we can rely upon cromulent info.
 
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