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ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
To me, the 'bottom line' is that if every person on Earth lived by the Golden Rule civilization would flourish better.
The religion Jesus taught would Not lead to war and violence as per Matthew 26:52; Revelation 13:10.
Jesus genuine followers lay down the 'sword '(weapons) They are like one type of person described at Isaiah 2:4.
They do Not use implements of war, but use farming implements ( meaning peaceful implements ).

Not so because people are people, people have emotions, people have tempers.

And have you seen the damage a farming implement can do to a person?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Ouch, ChristineM,
As far as 'business', it is none of our business. God gives to all the free-will choice to choose to listen to Him or not.
Only, only if a person would like to live forever, then one would need to choose God's scriptural standards.
Of course sex was around far longer than the Bible. Bible teaches God created sex.

Correct sex in no ones business but the willing participants so why must consenting couples (or more) submit to "chaste sexual morality."?

Fairy stories to entice the gullible. Unless of course you can show there is a life after death

The bible was written by man.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
The only reason I've involved myself with christianity is that it is a very popular religion. If it wasn't popular I wouldn't care.
I find both are popular: meaning Christendom (apostate Christianity), and the 1st-century Christian teachings.
Christendom (so-called Christian) often teaches their church customs or church traditions as being Scripture.
So, to me what should be popular are the 1st-century teachings of Jesus as taught in Scripture.
Whereas, church teachings out side of Scripture but being taught as being Scripture is a popular but false teaching.
This is why Jesus warns if one does Not want one's worship to be in vain, then be careful - Matthew 15:9.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Not so because people are people, people have emotions, people have tempers.
And have you seen the damage a farming implement can do to a person?

Yes, since we are all imperfect, flawed in some way, then we do Not have proper emotional control, etc.
Isaiah 2:4 to me is just making the contrast between those two (2) implements.
One implement promotes taking away life.
One implement promotes life.
A farming implement represents or stand for learning peace instead of war.

In our imperfect world, a local grocer last year lost a 12-year old relative in a farm accident.
That tragedy was Not a deliberate miss-use, but an accident.
Thankfully, there is the 'resurrection hope for that boy' as promised at Acts of the Apostles 24:15.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Correct sex in no ones business but the willing participants so why must consenting couples (or more) submit to "chaste sexual morality."?
Fairy stories to entice the gullible. Unless of course you can show there is a life after death
The bible was written by man.
The last time I looked around, the only writing done on Earth is by man.
So, of course the Bible was written by man, but Scripture claims those men were inspired by God.
Because of the internal corresponding harmony among the many Bible writers shows involving a Higher Source.
None of us have seen a resurrection, so that hope comes from: prayer, the pages of the Bible and association.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
To me, one reason is because Jesus 'put a ton of effort forth' in teaching about God's kingdom as found at Luke 4:43.
So, by putting forth effort that could show a spiritual interest in comparing what other folks believe with Jesus.
I know people do feel that they must. But because it's outside of my personal way of living, (I just accept other people's rights to believe what they wish, without looking into it much) I question it.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Yes, since we are all imperfect, flawed in some way, then we do Not have proper emotional control, etc.
Isaiah 2:4 to me is just making the contrast between those two (2) implements.
One implement promotes taking away life.
One implement promotes life.
A farming implement represents or stand for learning peace instead of war.

In our imperfect world, a local grocer last year lost a 12-year old relative in a farm accident.
That tragedy was Not a deliberate miss-use, but an accident.
Thankfully, there is the 'resurrection hope for that boy' as promised at Acts of the Apostles 24:15.

No, we are not flawed,we are simply people.

A farming implement is perhaps more dangerous than a sword. In the hands of someone with violence on their mind it represents a lethal weapon

One cannot live on hope.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
The last time I looked around, the only writing done on Earth is by man.
So, of course the Bible was written by man, but Scripture claims those men were inspired by God.
Because of the internal corresponding harmony among the many Bible writers shows involving a Higher Source.
None of us have seen a resurrection, so that hope comes from: prayer, the pages of the Bible and association.

Those men claimed they were inspired by god. People made the results scripture.

Say what? Harmony, there are so many contradictions in the bible it is amazing that to see christians have a blind spot fir them.

And in reality our atoms are reused because matter/energy can neither be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one into the other. In this way we are all made up of dead people.
 

Jane.Doe

Active Member
I am not going to start an argument.It's just the story seemed a bit fishy to me. Look at this post on the Mormon website : 13 Things that Mormons Believe Most of what's on there I have no problem with.Look at number 8 and 10. Those are the main ones I have a problem with. I might have considered the book of Mormon to be the world of God if it wasn't for the fact that history seems to show no evidence backing much of the book of Mormon and a lot of archaeology shows that most of the cities and people mentioned in it seem more and more unlikely to exist. Meanwhile archaeology shows that the New Testament has lots of historical backing and evidence. Now your church says it believes in both does it not? Well...I can't get behind the book of Mormon. I encourage you to look into history and see how much archaeology backs the book of Mormon especially since so much evidence backs the New Testament. If you disagree with something don't try to explain it away. Think on it. It may make you uncomfortable(if I am right) but it could be worth it.Now if you do look into it and see a lot of evidence backing it please tell me. I would love to know.
Haha.

Ray, if I was a person who needed faith to be proven via man's scientific method or man's archeology, I would have chucked this entire faith thing out of the window simply based on Genesis alone.
 

VoidCat

Pronouns: he/him/they/them
Haha.

Ray, if I was a person who needed faith to be proven via man's scientific method or man's archeology, I would have chucked this entire faith thing out of the window simply based on Genesis alone.
I do not need evidence to prove faith.Rather I need enough evidence to know it's reasonable to have faith in something. And the evidence for Jesus's life death and resurrection was enough for me to have become a Christian.
 

Jane.Doe

Active Member
I do not need evidence to prove faith.Rather I need enough evidence to know it's reasonable to have faith in something. And the evidence for Jesus's life death and resurrection was enough for me to have become a Christian.
I'm glad for you in that regard.

For me, if I were to have such a requirement, I would dismiss all Abrahamic faiths as simple fairy tales.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
To me, 'god-myths' existed even before the Flood of Noah's day.
People like Nimrod could have been influenced by post-flood stories about them.
As the ancient Babylonians migrated away from ancient Babylon they took with them their myth ideas and spread them worldwide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great.
In harmony with your idea here, the fact that Adam and Eve partook of the tree of knowledge of good and evil that God told them not to, shows that Eve in particular wanted to be like God, and Adam followed in her blasphemous footsteps but in a difference sense. Satan was the one pushing her to do this.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
To me, the 'bottom line' is that if every person on Earth lived by the Golden Rule civilization would flourish better.
The religion Jesus taught would Not lead to war and violence as per Matthew 26:52; Revelation 13:10.
Jesus genuine followers lay down the 'sword '(weapons) They are like one type of person described at Isaiah 2:4.
They do Not use implements of war, but use farming implements ( meaning peaceful implements ).
That is the point. Some people might feel that killing others in war is loving their neighbor as themselves?? I can't figure that out, but there is far more than being nice to people in the love that Jesus taught, so I agree with you.
 

Jane.Doe

Active Member
Then why do you believe?Not to be insulting just curious.
I had a similar question, glad you asked.
Because there are more tools in the epistemological toolbox than the scientific method. For me, God has unmistakably testified through His Spirit that He is there. That a loving Father sent His Son to die for me-- my Savior. And that's not something I can ever deny.
 

syo

Well-Known Member
You can look up Lilith in wikipedia. The question is: is the story about Lilith true because it's a myth that was quite prevalent among the Jews?
Also, notice what is written about Adam and Eve and their status after they took of the tree of knowledge of good and evil: "And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." So the LORD God said that the man became like one of them (the gods) knowing good and evil. (Genesis chapter 3:22)
I will check it, thank you :) give me a second
 

syo

Well-Known Member
You can look up Lilith in wikipedia. The question is: is the story about Lilith true because it's a myth that was quite prevalent among the Jews?
Also, notice what is written about Adam and Eve and their status after they took of the tree of knowledge of good and evil: "And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." So the LORD God said that the man became like one of them (the gods) knowing good and evil. (Genesis chapter 3:22)
I checked it. :)
I found the part with the sea. :)
The myth is true.

My answer is that the myth is prevalent among the Jews because it speaks the truth. If it was telling lies, the Jews would have reject the myth. :)
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I know people do feel that they must. But because it's outside of my personal way of living, (I just accept other people's rights to believe what they wish, without looking into it much) I question it.
To me, throughout the vast centuries God has mostly Not interfered with 'personal ways of living'.
God pointed out that people have chosen 'their own ways' according to Isaiah 66:3.
In other words, God did Not step in until it reached the point of child sacrificing as mentioned at Jeremiah 32:35.
Such a horrific 'personal way of living' was Not going to be tolerated by God. - 2 Chronicles 28:3.
Such behavior thankfully has been outside of most peoples 'personal way of living '.
In the past, then God used the political/military to carry out justice for the righteous ones on Earth.
Thus, we should 'accept', so to speak, other people's free-will 'right to believe' as they wish.
The point then I want to make is: mostly God does Not involve Himself in people's personal way of living.
This means: No involvement until the soon coming 'time of separating' on Earth as found at Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
This coming ' time of separation ' on Earth is Not meant to hang over one's head like the Sword of Damocles,
but just to inform us if we want to keep on living then we need to listen to God's right to believe as He wishes.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
No, we are not flawed,we are simply people.
A farming implement is perhaps more dangerous than a sword. In the hands of someone with violence on their mind it represents a lethal weapon
One cannot live on hope.

In Scripture, I find we are flawed because we can Not stop sinning.
If we could stop sinning we would Not die. Someone with violence on their mind to me is a flawed person.
Since we can't resurrect oneself or another we need someone who can resurrect us. Jesus can - Revelation 1:18.
Most any implement can be dangerous, even a steak knife for example.
As Isaiah wrote the people who do Not take up the sword are those who 'do Not learn war any more' at Isaiah 2:4.
As the ' violent ' of Genesis 6:11 met their end, and all the wicked will meet their end as per Psalms 92:7.
This means: No violent person will be left on Earth. Only the humble meek people will inherit the Earth.
 
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