Trump's Purpose

Stevicus · Jan 17, 2019

metis said:
To a large extent, yes. This is what Putin & Co have been at least trying to do with the EU, NATO, and us. The weaker we get, the stronger Putin and Russia gets. And, unfortunately, Trump is helping him, although maybe not intentionally.

I'm not sure if that's their intentions. At least looking at the past few decades since the fall of the Soviet Union (and taking into consideration their entire history where they've mostly had to defend against invaders), their actions could be just as easily interpreted as defensive in nature. The West hasn't been exactly innocent in their dealings with the Russians, so if there's hostility between us, then we're just as much to blame as they are.

In some ways, if America and Russia forged closer ties with each other, it might even help both nations. Keep in mind that a large part of our problems with the rest of world have been indirectly caused by animosity between the U.S. and Russia. If not for that, then we would never have gotten involved in places like Vietnam, nor would we have any problems with nations like Iran or North Korea today. Other countries have taken advantage of the enmity between the superpowers, and both America and Russia have been worse off as a result. A friendlier relationship with Russia could actually strengthen America's position in the world.

esmith · Jan 17, 2019

I find it quite funny that those that are going hermantile about Russia are the same ones that praised the Obama when he rebuked Romney about his comments about Russia.
They also had no problem when the Obama was real chummy with Russia as he spoke with Medvedve and was caught on an open mike.
They also had no problems with Russian contributions to the Clinton Foundation.
They also had no problem with the Obama not enforcing prohibitions on chemical weapons by Assad
They also had no problem with the Obama canceling U.S. missile defense in Eastern Europe to appease the now evil threatening Russians
They also had no problem with the Obama allowing Russia to sell S-300 air defense systems to Iran
They also had no problem with the Obama inaction on Russia violating the 1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty

But of course the main reason is that one of their darlings did not win the 2016 election.

Revoltingest · Jan 17, 2019

Stanyon said:
I think we really need to start analyzing the uglier parts of TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome), Trumpophobic comments are expected but grand conspiracies are taking it to a new level.

Reminds me of a friend who had ODS.
He was convinced that Obama was a Marxist Muslim plant installed to subvert us.
Too many people lose all sense of proportion when they hate a president.
My friend with ODS.....he's just like the anti-Trumpers, the only difference being tribe.

Revoltingest · Jan 17, 2019

BSM1 said:
He was not the first President to shut down the government; nor was it only presidents that do this. For instance, the Democrats under Obama shut down the government in 2013. Where was the outcry. The rest of your post is pure partisan speculation with absolutely no proof. Can you say 'TDS'?

You misunderstand.
The Republicans shut down government back then.
It's always them because they're the only side
which refuses to give Democrats what they want.
Clear now?

LuisDantas · Jan 17, 2019

Stanyon said:
Obama publicly endorsed Macron and urged the French to vote for him. Was it a conspiracy by Obama to cause disruption in France and undermine their democracy?

Jerry Lewis

Are you truly this oblivious to Trump's behavior?

LuisDantas · Jan 17, 2019

BSM1 said:
He was not the first President to shut down the government; nor was it only presidents that do this. For instance, the Democrats under Obama shut down the government in 2013. Where was the outcry. The rest of your post is pure partisan speculation with absolutely no proof. Can you say 'TDS'?

You can say whatever you want. And you should expect the corresponding effect on your credibility and reputation.

fantome profane · Jan 17, 2019

Stevicus said:
Do you think the Russians want to ruin the U.S. economy? To what purpose?

Putin has always wanted to undermine U.S. style democracy, it helps him maintain his power if he can point to the west and say, “see, their system is no better”. If he can show that the west is incompetent or corrupt he counts that as a success. He has been very successful lately.

LuisDantas · Jan 17, 2019

Revoltingest said:
You misunderstand.
The Republicans shut down government back then.
It's always them because they're the only side
which refuses to give Democrats what they want.
Clear now?

At this point I really don't know whether you can understand things or not.

The evidence is very contradictory.

Revoltingest · Jan 17, 2019

LuisDantas said:
At this point I really don't know whether you can understand things or not.

The feeling is mutual.
I recommend less partisanship.

viole · Jan 17, 2019

Ellen Brown said:
I very bright friend of mine, with a couple of degrees says that Trump was elected to ruin the American economy. Perhaps that's why both the Republicans and the Democrats essentially do nothing?

A couple of degrees (fever) above the normal?

Ciao

- viole

LuisDantas · Jan 17, 2019

Revoltingest said:
The feeling is mutual.
I recommend less partisanship.

That is for you to observe, not me.

Revoltingest · Jan 17, 2019

LuisDantas said:
That is for you to observe, not me.

I criticize both sides.
But you go after only one.
Hatred for Trump clouds judgement.

metis · Jan 17, 2019

BSM1 said:
He was not the first President to shut down the government; nor was it only presidents that do this. For instance, the Democrats under Obama shut down the government in 2013. Where was the outcry. The rest of your post is pure partisan speculation with absolutely no proof. Can you say 'TDS'?

No real answer, huh? Can you say 'TDS'?

The fact is that you don't like facts about Trump. But here:
Opinion | President Trump’s Lies, the Definitive List

and here: The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet - The Atlantic

and here: Opinion | Trump’s Corruption: The Definitive List

and here: Here are 10 times President Trump's comments have been called racist

and here: Legal affairs of Donald Trump - Wikipedia

Of course, I'm likely to see your next post saying "fake news", which is just a very convenient way for you to avoid facts. Also, there are numerous articles about Trump's immoral words and behavior in the Wall Street Journal, and they are hardly "leftists".

metis · Jan 17, 2019

BSM1 said:
For instance, the Democrats under Obama shut down the government in 2013. Where was the outcry.

There actually was an outcry but maybe you weren't home to hear it.

metis · Jan 17, 2019

Stevicus said:
A friendlier relationship with Russia could actually strengthen America's position in the world.

Except they are hardly "friendly" when they invade countries, interfere with elections, poison opposing politicians, etc. And should we really trust a former KGB agent that our intelligence agencies tell us that they have evidence of money laundering?

fantome profane · Jan 17, 2019

Revoltingest said:
The feeling is mutual.
I recommend less partisanship.

I recommend less neutrality. It is not good for you.

Revoltingest · Jan 17, 2019

fantome profane said:
I recommend less neutrality. It is not good for you.

I know that we have fundamentally different approaches.
You have a tribe...you defend it, & attack the other.
(You'd fit in with most Americastanians better than I do.)
But neutrality affords more peace & emotional detachment.
This serves objectivity.

Stanyon · Jan 17, 2019

metis said:
Except they are hardly "friendly" when they invade countries, interfere with elections, poison opposing politicians, etc.

Are you talking about the U.S. because we have done or attempted to do all three.
-Poison Castro?
-We helped put Saddam in power
-We helped put Diem in power
- We supported oppressive regimes in Latin America and the Middle East
-Far-Right Nationalists in the Ukraine?
Etc. Etc. Etc.
But of course it's all in the name of American values.

That being said, we train and arm guerillas to overthrow governments, support dictators, and help foment discord when it is seen to benefit the U.S. It's also a reality that other countries do the same thing to support their own interests.

metis · Jan 17, 2019

Stanyon said:
Are you talking about the U.S. because we have done or attempted to do all three.
-Poison Castro?
-We helped put Saddam in power
-We helped put Diem in power
- We supported oppressive regimes in Latin America and the Middle East
-Far-Right Nationalists in the Ukraine?
Etc. Etc. Etc.
But of course it's all in the name of American values.

That being said, we train and arm guerillas to overthrow governments, support dictators, and help foment discord when it is seen to benefit the U.S. It's also a reality that other countries do the same thing to support their own interests.

I am very aware of our many atrocities along those lines as I taught about it for 36 years, but I am not willing to roll over and play dead for Putin. If that's what you want to do, adios and enjoy your stay in sunny Russia.

Stanyon · Jan 17, 2019

fantome profane said:
I recommend less neutrality.

In the Malleus Maleficarum it is suggested that inquisitors not look into a suspected witches eyes while they were torturing them so as to not be bewitched. An interesting way to reduce the reality of what they were doing to another human being, no room left for mercy or humanity.

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