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What do you want to know about Islam

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I want to tell everyone on this forum something. This is not to scare you, but to educate you and make you realize the truth. Out of every 1000 children of Adam(so that means all humans), 999 will be put in Hell. That means 99.9%. However, this is with gog and magog included. 2/3 of the people that will make it to Heaven are of those during or after Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
That is not news to me. It is Islaam's version of what we often call Pascal's Wager.

It is also not very convincing, nor very respectable - among other reasons because it makes no theological sense unless you want to accept as a premise that God is not at all moral and it may in fact be ethically necessary to challenge him to the end.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
This life is a test. 99.9% will fail. Please study Islam as a whole
Sorry, but that fails. And one should not have to rely on a book that comes from an outside source. If your god is real and not immoral he needs something better.

There is a difference between knowledge and belief. Knowledge is demonstrable, all you have demonstrated to this point is belief, and all religions have that. If anything you have only shown people why they should not follow Islam here.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Listen, I would never want to kill people for no reason. In Islam, if you kill one person, it's like you killed all of humanity. If you save a person, it's like you saved all of humanity. Islam is against violence. Please study Islam as a whole, not in parts.
Trouble is, Islaam fails its own self-imposed parameters when it decrees God as the ultimate parameter then portrays him as so unadmirable and unwise.
 

Binyad Q

Member
Oh people, God is the Most Merciful. He wants you to go to Heaven. He wants you to be happy. If you choose to disbelieve in him, that is your choice. You have to face the consequences.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
This life is a test. 99.9% will fail. Please study Islam as a whole
That sounds like a marvelous thing to say if you want to cause fear and pressure people into Stockholm Syndrome-like cooperation.

Quite miserable as a recipe for living, though. Or for finding "truth".

And not at all worth of being mistaken for an actual religious thinking, it must be said.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Oh people, God is the Most Merciful. He wants you to go to Heaven. He wants you to be happy. If you choose to disbelieve in him, that is your choice. You have to face the consequences.
I do not have to choose do disbelieve Allah.

Taking for granted that there is a God and that he somehow saw fit to make the Qur'an available for humans to learn from, it must logically follow that He does not want me to believe in His existence.

Or, at the very least, He is going out of His way to convince me to never be a Muslim.
 

Infinitum

Possessed Bookworm
Listen, I would never want to kill people for no reason. In Islam, if you kill one person, it's like you killed all of humanity. If you save a person, it's like you saved all of humanity. Islam is against violence. Please study Islam as a whole, not in parts.
Assuming for a moment that I wasn't familiar with Islam, why would I study your faith as it clearly teaches not to love others, but to condemn them?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Ok, The Islam View on God:
He is not comparable to anything. He is the Creator of everything. He is the One you should worship.

That doesn't explain what he is.

Jim is not comparable to anything
Jim is the creator of everything
Jim is the one you should worship

What is Jim?

A human being

What is god?
 

Binyad Q

Member
Assuming for a moment that I wasn't familiar with Islam, why would I study your faith as it clearly teaches not to love others, but to condemn them?
Islam is a religion of peace. God wants the best for you. He has sent all these signs to mankind, yet most of them have locked hearts
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Please tell me if I am making your perception of Islam worse. If so, I will leave the forum.
Thanks
I gather that most Muslims will do most anything not to hurt the public image of Islaam.

I sincerely feel for you, brothers and sisters. I have enough experience with carrying false guilts to empathise.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Islam is a religion of peace. God wants the best for you. He has sent all these signs to mankind, yet most of them have locked hearts
How possible, if at all, do you think that it can be that God does not want everyone to be a believer?

Or if you feel disconfortable with this question, please forgive me for making it and I will no more make it to you.
 

Jadamas

Member
Please tell me if I am making your perception of Islam worse. If so, I will leave the forum.
Thanks

Well, I would like to know more about Islam (and about other belief systems) and I think you’re not using the best arguments but I’ve the felling that you have good intentions.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
The killing of apostates is a command from God, sent to making through Prophet Muhammad(Saw)

Usually killing comes from self defense or if someone hurts someone else. It's a defense mechanism that people use to protect others and protect oneself.

When one murders, there is usually a non defense nor protective reason for it. For example, if someone said a bad word to another he may get himself killed even though words are not actions. Since it wasn't an action, murder is not justified.

When people in the US fight for their country, they are fighting to Protect people as a group. They protect people with whom their foe will do harm otherwise.

These forms of killing are legally justified because it is thinking of someone's well being Over Anything Else.

If an apostolate left Islam and he did not physically wrong, there is no hurt, defense, nor protection to which justifies the killing. It becomes murder.

A loving God does not sanction murder. Assuming that the Islamic god is of love. Is he of love to all people or only to those who follow him?

Would you kill an apostolate yourself if god told you; and, why is your belief in Allah much more important than the well-being of someone else?
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Ok, listen to this. God created you. Whatever He says, Humans have to follow. It doesn't matter what you think. When you don't know about Islam , you can't understand the answers I'm giving. You need to study it more.
Your God is a false God. The true God does not say such unethical nonsense. I encourage you to stop worshiping this evil false God and find the true and ethical God.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I want to tell everyone on this forum something. This is not to scare you, but to educate you and make you realize the truth. Out of every 1000 children of Adam(so that means all humans), 999 will be put in Hell. That means 99.9%. However, this is with gog and magog included. 2/3 of the people that will make it to Heaven are of those during or after Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
Actually everybody will go to heaven, but for people who believe in false and cruel Gods, it will take longer.
 

WH.Khos

learning is one way to find good truth
I want to tell everyone on this forum something. This is not to scare you, but to educate you and make you realize the truth. Out of every 1000 children of Adam(so that means all humans), 999 will be put in Hell. That means 99.9%. However, this is with gog and magog included. 2/3 of the people that will make it to Heaven are of those during or after Prophet Muhammad (SAW)


you are the only Muslim who loves to dreaming

Kitab Risalatul Ulfah Bainal Muslimin:

"Heaven and Hell are God's affairs. We as his servants are not worthy to condemn others to hell only because of the difference. Islam is a flexible and tolerant religion "

you first say if you want to explain about Islam so people are not wrong in judging Islam
but from all your answers there is no verse of Quran and hadith that you said you follow

all you say is your opinion
not qur'an or hadith

"Opinion is not the way Muslims explain their religion"

this verse must be reflected

ولقد ذرأنا لجهنم كثيرا من الجن والإنس لهم قلوب لا يفقهون بها ولهم أعين لا يبصرون بها ولهم آذان لا يسمعون بها أولئك كالأنعام بل هم أضل أولئك هم الغافلون

"And verily We made for the jinn and mankind most of the jinn and men, they have a heart, but used not to understand (the verses of Allah), and have eyes that which they used not to see. , and they have ears (but) not use it to hear (the verses of Allah). They are as cattle, they are even more astray. They are the negligent ones. "(QS.al-A'raf: 179)

learn to pliss
you are my brother
stop being a Muslim with little knowledge of your religion
 

Infinitum

Possessed Bookworm
Islam is a religion of peace. God wants the best for you. He has sent all these signs to mankind, yet most of them have locked hearts
Here's where the two of us clearly disagree. A god who tries to steer you by threatening to hurt you is a tyrant and a sadist, and I'd rather go to hell than enter a heaven where people justify the suffering of others. If your faith truly was the one true faith, your willingness to help people and your ability to express compassion towards anyone, no matter how different from you, would set you apart and way above the rest of humanity.

But instead what I see is the opposite, and even the inability to imagine a world where your willingness to accept the pain of others wouldn't harm yourself. It's easy to speak when you believe you're safe, but one day when you're vulnerable and life isn't as black and white, you may well find yourself hurting and alone because the way you've been taught leads to happiness has in fact betrayed you. When you understand how that feels, you're one step closer to true divinity and one step further away from the hateful things people say out of tribalist narrow-mindedness.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I want to tell everyone on this forum something. This is not to scare you, but to educate you and make you realize the truth. Out of every 1000 children of Adam(so that means all humans), 999 will be put in Hell. That means 99.9%. However, this is with gog and magog included. 2/3 of the people that will make it to Heaven are of those during or after Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
Hehe. That is merely a faith claim and a somewhat fanatical faith claim at that. Can you imagine some imperious god torturing 99% of his creation? Seriously? To me, the blame for the mistakes of his creations does not lie with his creations, but with the Creator. Obviously, he got something very wrong, if he has to torture beings to prove his point. To believe otherwise is anathema to empathy and about as immoral as things get. No being worthy of being worshiped, as a god, would do such a thing.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Sunnis are of the right view

Right, OK, so, let me ask you a trickier one.

From your perspective, why is it that people who have heard about Islam and learnt about it would not become Muslim? e.g. many members here, who know Islam fairly well but haven't converted to it. Similarly, why do some people who were raised Muslim, or who converted to Islam, subsequently cease being Muslim?
 
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