Questions for Muslims

Muslim-UK said:

If that was true, how do you explain it is the fastest growing Religion in the WEST, especially amongst young, educated women who have often studied to degree level.

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Birth rates?

No original sin because of the woman.
No curse of child labour pains for being a woman

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This is definitely a step up from Christian orthodoxy. I'm sure we agree that the beliefs of Original Sin and women inheriting birth pains from Eve's 'disobedience' are foolish.

No inequality with regards to divorce rights,

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What about the triple talaq as exemplified by Muslims in India and the claims that Sharia courts make it harder for a Muslim woman to obtain a divorce than a man?

inheritance etc

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Don't Muslim women inherit only half of what a man does?

Islam allows a woman to work and spend her money as she pleases, allows her the ability to initiate divorce and secures inheritance.

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Except for the fact Muslim women have been relegated to the role of care-givers in the household, whereas men are the breadwinners and as such have superior status. Islam was more than likely ahead of the curve at the time of its inception by Muhammad, but the non-Muslims have since surpassed it.

Look at the importance of women in Islam:

It is related from Talhah ibn Mu'wiyah as-Salam who said:

I came to the Prophet and said, "O Messenger of Allah, I want to perform Jihad in the way of Allah. He asked, "Is your mother alive?" I replied, "Yes." The Prophet then said: "Cling to her feet, because paradise is there." (at-Tabarin).

Shaykh Nidhaam Sakkijihaa comments:

Cling to her feet means to submit yourself to her, be close to her, protect her, serve her because in this is Paradise and with her satisfaction you will enjoy the good blessings of Allah. (Sakkijihaa, Honoring the Parents, p. 52)

Your forefathers didn't even dedicate a single page to any woman in the NT. Nothing about Mary, may God be pleased with her. Whereas the Qur'an dedicates a whole CHAPTER to the family of Jesus pbuh and praises Mary, ra throughout it.

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Which clashes rather badly with the treatment of women in Islam today as seen in the Muslim world. Womens' testimony is half as valuable as a mans; women and the way they dress are blamed for natural disasters; it is easier for a man to divorce his wife than a woman to divorce her husband; in some cases a woman needs the permission of a man to leave the home and sometimes has to be accompanied by a male relative. Men, on the other hand, do not.

A Greased Scotsman said:

Birth rates?

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To be fair, "biggest contributor to global overpopulation problem" sounds far less impressive than "fastest growing"

Augustus said:

Any evidence that there are more 'young educated women who have often studied to degree level' converting to Islam than 'young, educated women who have often studied to degree level' leaving Islam?

Given that probably no more than 0.0001% of the population in the UK convert to Islam in any given year, 0.01% of Muslims leaving their faith would result in a clear net drop of converts.

Which do you think is more likely?

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If you go on youtube and listen to their testimonies, you can decide for yourself. You could also pop along to your local University and conduct a exit poll of attendees who have gone along to listen to one of the many Dawah talks brothers and sisters give up and down the Country.

The biggest pull for Reverts is the easy to understand concept of God.

Muslim-UK said:

If that was true, how do you explain it is the fastest growing Religion in the WEST, especially amongst young, educated women who have often studied to degree level.

Like Lauren Booth, why ARE modern British career women converting to Islam? | Daily Mail Online
Given most of these women have grown up in a Christian household, they likely found Islam's stance on women liberating....

No original sin because of the woman.
No curse of child labour pains for being a woman
No silence when in the company of a man
No inequality with regards to divorce rights, inheritance etc

Islam allows a woman to work and spend her money as she pleases, allows her the ability to initiate divorce and secures inheritance. Men are responsible for housing, feeding and clothing women and children, they are also responsible for paying all the bills.

Look at the importance of women in Islam:

It is related from Talhah ibn Mu'wiyah as-Salam who said:

I came to the Prophet and said, "O Messenger of Allah, I want to perform Jihad in the way of Allah. He asked, "Is your mother alive?" I replied, "Yes." The Prophet then said: "Cling to her feet, because paradise is there." (at-Tabarin).

Shaykh Nidhaam Sakkijihaa comments:

Cling to her feet means to submit yourself to her, be close to her, protect her, serve her because in this is Paradise and with her satisfaction you will enjoy the good blessings of Allah. (Sakkijihaa, Honoring the Parents, p. 52)

Your forefathers didn't even dedicate a single page to any woman in the NT. Nothing about Mary, may God be pleased with her. Whereas the Qur'an dedicates a whole CHAPTER to the family of Jesus pbuh and praises Mary, ra throughout it.

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Do these new converts have to submit to this practice?

FGM medical help needed 'every hour'

Did you read the comments section in the Daily Mail link?

Muslim-UK said:

If you go on youtube and listen to their testimonies, you can decide for yourself. You could also pop along to your local University and conduct a exit poll of attendees who have gone along to listen to one of the many Dawah talks brothers and sisters give up and down the Country.

The biggest pull for Reverts is the easy to understand concept of God.

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What's the biggest pull for ex-Muslim 'reverts' to irreligion (or even Christianity)?

People convert for all sorts of reasons. People leave religions for all sorts of reasons. If people want to become Muslim or Buddhist or atheist or whatever good for them, it's their life.

It's a nice human interest story, doesn't really mean much in the field of demography though.

The argument made by evangelical Muslims that Islam is "the fastest growing religion" because lots of people are converting to it is just an empty boast.

I'm pretty sure that no religions have a positive net conversion rate (new converts minus leavers). AFAIK, the only religion that is getting large numbers of new converts worldwide is (evangelical) protestantism yet far more people are leaving than joining protestantism overall.

In the West, Islam is certainly doing far better than Christianity at retaining its believers, but if even 1 in 10,000 Muslims left the faith every year (for example 15 new ex-Muslims in Bradford), there would be a negative 'conversion' rate.

"Fastest growing" is really higher birthrate + lower apostasy rate.

Notanumber said:

If Aisha was such a marvellous woman and had better knowledge than most of the companions why does Islam despise women?

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I don't know where you got this idea. Most converts to islam are women. Leaving behind the undignified ignorant past. We dignify our women. With respect. The head of family's are women.

Why does Christianity despise women? You have any idea what paul said about women? They're not even allowed to talk in church. If she has any questions then ask your husband later.

Alot of you ask why do muslim women cover themselves? Its because its freedom. A woman showing her arms and shoulders, her behind her cleavage are not free. Shes exposed. Men love this. They call it freedom, we call it abuse. You don't have to touch a woman to rape, you can do it with your eyes.

That's why both the bible and quran recommends coverage for women. Protection.

Notanumber said:

Do these new converts have to submit to this practice?

FGM medical help needed 'every hour'
Did you read the comments section in the Daily Mail link?

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FGM is a cultural practice that effects many different Communities, including Christians. Nothing to do with Religion unless you can show otherwise from the Qur'an and Bible? Just like honour killings affecting many different communities including yours, assuming you're an atheist:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/cri...as-having-an-affair-on-facebook-10019375.html

The doctrine of Jesus peace be upon him is not the same as Paul's doctrine.

If you compare paul and Mohammad peace be upon him.

Both claimed to be phrophets.

Mohammad peace be upon him has proper lineage. We know his parents his grand parents, his great grand parents. We know his uncles, cousins everything.

Paul doesn't have lineage. We don't know his father, his mother, his sister, his nephew who was mentioned in his letters doesn't have a name. His brother we don't know. The bible even comments "They say paul was a son of a Pharisee and is one "

You can't be a Pharisee unless you're married by jewish law. Nobody knows his wife even if he was a widower.

Not a single time in pauls ministry's did he quote jesus peace be upon him. Not a parable. Hes doesn't mention the virgin Mary peace be upon her.

If Paul was an apostle of god received revelations from the holy spirit and warnings and was guided then why didn't the holy spirit guide the other apostles the same way? Peter was guided too right? Just like James and barnabas.

Yet these apostles who met jesus, ate with him, travelled with him had constant issues with Paul and James and peter had many conflicts with paul.

Pauls revelations on the Damascus road witnessed by 4 men? Yet we don't know who those men are.

We don't even know how Paul died. Someone didn't receive warnings that paul would leave the earth.

MohammadPali said:

The doctrine of Jesus peace be upon him is not the same as Paul's doctrine.

If you compare paul and Mohammad peace be upon him.

Both claimed to be phrophets.

Mohammad peace be upon him has proper lineage. We know his parents his grand parents, his great grand parents. We know his uncles, cousins everything.

Paul doesn't have lineage. We don't know his father, his mother, his sister, his nephew who was mentioned in his letters doesn't have a name. His brother we don't know. The bible even comments "They say paul was a son of a Pharisee and is one "

You can't be a Pharisee unless you're married by jewish law. Nobody knows his wife even if he was a widower.

Not a single time in pauls ministry's did he quote jesus peace be upon him. Not a parable. Hes doesn't mention the virgin Mary peace be upon her.

If Paul was an apostle of god received revelations from the holy spirit and warnings and was guided then why didn't the holy spirit guide the other apostles the same way? Peter was guided too right? Just like James and barnabas.

Yet these apostles who met jesus, ate with him, travelled with him had constant issues with Paul and James and peter had many conflicts with paul.

Pauls revelations on the Damascus road witnessed by 4 men? Yet we don't know who those men are.

We don't even know how Paul died. Someone didn't receive warnings that paul would leave the earth.

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Paul never claim to be prophet. You have no knowledge of bible, you speak like venomous scorpion in desert.

Muslim-UK said:

If that was true, how do you explain it is the fastest growing Religion in the WEST, especially amongst young, educated women who have often studied to degree level.

Like Lauren Booth, why ARE modern British career women converting to Islam? | Daily Mail Online
Given most of these women have grown up in a Christian household, they likely found Islam's stance on women liberating....

No original sin because of the woman.
No curse of child labour pains for being a woman
No silence when in the company of a man
No inequality with regards to divorce rights, inheritance etc

Islam allows a woman to work and spend her money as she pleases, allows her the ability to initiate divorce and secures inheritance. Men are responsible for housing, feeding and clothing women and children, they are also responsible for paying all the bills.

Look at the importance of women in Islam:

It is related from Talhah ibn Mu'wiyah as-Salam who said:

I came to the Prophet and said, "O Messenger of Allah, I want to perform Jihad in the way of Allah. He asked, "Is your mother alive?" I replied, "Yes." The Prophet then said: "Cling to her feet, because paradise is there." (at-Tabarin).

Shaykh Nidhaam Sakkijihaa comments:

Cling to her feet means to submit yourself to her, be close to her, protect her, serve her because in this is Paradise and with her satisfaction you will enjoy the good blessings of Allah. (Sakkijihaa, Honoring the Parents, p. 52)

Your forefathers didn't even dedicate a single page to any woman in the NT. Nothing about Mary, may God be pleased with her. Whereas the Qur'an dedicates a whole CHAPTER to the family of Jesus pbuh and praises Mary, ra throughout it.

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If what you say is right, then it must be Allah and Muhammad speak lies.
For Q'uran 2:223, say "A man has Dominion over his wives bodies as he does his land"

Q'uran 24:31 "Women are to lower their gaze ( heads ) around men, so they are not look men in eyes.

Q'uran 4:24 & 33:50, "A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of Marriage"
Shih Muslim 4:1039 "Aisha say to Muhammad "You made us women equal to the dogs and mule asses"
These are the words of muhammad's favorite wife, complaining of the role assigned to women under Islam.

So how you say women are treated same as men.
You show Q'uran contradicts it's self and has many errors.
You show Q'uran has many contradictions

Faithofchristian said:

Paul never claim to be prophet. You have no knowledge of bible, you speak like venomous scorpion in desert.

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Right. I guess it depends on which Christian denomination we are talking about. All messengers are phrophets. But not all phrophets are messengers. Messengers receive revelations like Abraham and moses and jesus peace be upon them. For some reason paul isn't considered one. And he even healed people and ofcourse no witnesses just sayings in acts and Romans.

But paul the apostle who never met jesus receives revelation and can't quote jesus. You believe this ?

Paul can heal people and even survive being stoned by the saddacuees in Jerusalem or survive because he was a roman citizen.

The holy spirit was absent that day when his nephew warned him about the jewish plot to kill him. Who was this nephew? Who is his sister? Whats going on here?

Faithofchristian said:

If what you say is right, then it must be Allah and Muhammad speak lies.
For Q'uran 2:223, say "A man has Dominion over his wives bodies as he does his land"

Q'uran 24:31 "Women are to lower their gaze ( heads ) around men, so they are not look men in eyes.

Q'uran 4:24 & 33:50, "A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of Marriage"
Shih Muslim 4:1039 "Aisha say to Muhammad "You made us women equal to the dogs and mule asses"
These are the words of muhammad's favorite wife, complaining of the role assigned to women under Islam.

So how you say women are treated same as men.
You show Q'uran contradicts it's self and has many errors.
You show Q'uran has many contradictions

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You don't know how to read the oral argument or hadith. Its okay because you're not a muslim.

I'll explain easy. Every hadith the authentic ones. Has a subject matter. You can't just take a sentence or quote and say look at this. She says you compared us to mules and dogs. Read the subject matter. Its about what nullifies prayer.

That's the beauty of the quran and hadith. The written testament and the oral testament. The oral backs the quran and is the way its supposed to help teach people the way of the holy phrophet.

The bible doesn't have a hadith. The Christians one. Its all interpolation and subject to differences.

The jewish one has written and oral testament. When I read the old testament I also read the oral testament to get the exegesis of the subject matter.

MohammadPali said:

Right. I guess it depends on which Christian denomination we are talking about. All messengers are phrophets. But not all phrophets are messengers. Messengers receive revelations like Abraham and moses and jesus peace be upon them. For some reason paul isn't considered one. And he even healed people and ofcourse no witnesses just sayings in acts and Romans.

But paul the apostle who never met jesus receives revelation and can't quote jesus. You believe this ?

Paul can heal people and even survive being stoned by the saddacuees in Jerusalem or survive because he was a roman citizen.

The holy spirit was absent that day when his nephew warned him about the jewish plot to kill him. Who was this nephew? Who is his sister? Whats going on here?

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I believe you have 12 disciples approve of Paul.
Where Muhammad have not one to witness for him, only wife.
Sahih Muslim Q'uran 4:1039, "Aisha say to Muhammad, "You have made us women equal to dogs and mule asses"
These are the words of muhammad's favorite wife, complaining of the role assigned to women under Islam.
Women treated like dogs and mule asses.

Paul had two men with him, as he journeyed down road to Damascus, and then the Lord speak to disciple Ananias saying Paul is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles.
Acts 9.
Paul went into synagogues preach Jesus.
That he ( Jesus ) is Son of God. Acts 9:20.

Almighty God given to Moses that out of the mouth of two or three witnesses shall the matter be established.
Paul had 12 disciples and disciple Ananias as witnesses.

Where Muhammad witnesses only wife, and wife complaning to Muhammad women treated like dogs and mule asses.
Sahih Muslim 4:1039

Faithofchristian said:

If what you say is right, then it must be Allah and Muhammad speak lies.

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Maybe concentrate on your own book, which is clearly laid out:

MohammadPali said:

You don't know how to read the oral argument or hadith. Its okay because you're not a muslim.

I'll explain easy. Every hadith the authentic ones. Has a subject matter. You can't just take a sentence or quote and say look at this. She says you compared us to mules and dogs. Read the subject matter. Its about what nullifies prayer.

That's the beauty of the quran and hadith. The written testament and the oral testament. The oral backs the quran and is the way its supposed to help teach people the way of the holy phrophet.

The bible doesn't have a hadith. The Christians one. Its all interpolation and subject to differences.

The jewish one has written and oral testament. When I read the old testament I also read the oral testament to get the exegesis of the subject matter.

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As you have said, So You do not know how to read Christian bible, it's ok because your not christian.

Faithofchristian said:

Paul had two men with him, as he journeyed down road to Damascus, and then the Lord speak to disciple Ananias saying Paul is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles.
Acts 9.
Paul went into synagogues preach Jesus.
That he ( Jesus ) is Son of God. Acts 9:20.

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Acts was written by Paul's friend and travelling companion Luke. Why did James and Peter << Family and close companions of Jesus pbuh say, Paul was a liar?

Talking of his encounter on the rd to Damascus...

Version One:

Acts 9:3-17: "…[Saul] was approaching Damascus, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, `Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?'…The men who were traveling with him stood speechless because they heard the voice but saw no one. Saul got up from the ground, and though his eyes were open, he could see nothing; so they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus. For three days he was without sight, and neither ate nor drank.…there was a…disciple at Damascus named Ananias…laid his hands on Saul and said, `Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on your way here, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit."

Acts 9:3-17 or Acts 22:6-21 or Acts 26:12-18

Version Two:


Acts 22:6-21: "While I was…approaching Damascus…a great light from heaven suddenly shone about me. I fell to the ground and heard a voice saying…Saul,Saul, why are you persecuting me?...those who were with me saw the light but did not hear the voice…I could not see because of the brightness of the light…those with me…led me to Damascus…Ananias, who was a devout man according to the law and well spoken of by all the Jews living there…said…get up, be baptized, and have your sins washed away, calling on his name."


Version Three:


Acts 26:12-18: "…I was traveling to Damascus…I saw a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, shining around me and my companions. When we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew language, `Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me? It hurts you to kick against the goads…the Lord answered, `I am Jesus whom you are persecuting…get up and stand on your feet…"


Which Version is the reader to believe? Saul alone fell to the ground; those with him stood speechless because they heard the voice but saw no one; Saul was without sight for three days; Ananias was a disciple who laid hands on Saul to restore his sight and fill him with the Holy Spirit.

Or

Saul alone fell to the ground; Those with him saw the light but did not hear the voice; No mention of three days without sight or food; Ananias was "a devout man according to the Law and liked by the Jews."

Or

Everyone fell to the ground; the voice spoke in the Hebrew Language; no blindness, no Ananias, no baptism, no restoration of sight, no “filled by Holy Spirit”!


Remember: Luke wrote all three of these accounts! It matters not that he put two of the versions into the mouth of Saul, who was by then known as Paul. LUKE WROTE ALL THREE VERSIONS!


Luke also wrote the following just four chapters before the first "Conversion" story:


Acts 5:3: "`Ananias,' Peter asked, `why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit?'"


And Luke also mentioned the very important name, Pyrrhus:


Acts 20:4-6: "[Paul] was accompanied by Sopater, son of Pyrrhus of Beroea…these went ahead and were waiting for us at Troas…where we stayed for seven days."


One of the early translators did a strange thing with the name, Pyrrhus: He omitted it! And the King James Version did the same.

Can you tell us who Pyrrhus was?

Faithofchristian said:

I believe you have 12 disciples approve of Paul.
Where Muhammad have not one to witness for him, only wife.
Sahih Muslim Q'uran 4:1039, "Aisha say to Muhammad, "You have made us women equal to dogs and mule asses"
These are the words of muhammad's favorite wife, complaining of the role assigned to women under Islam.
Women treated like dogs and mule asses.

Paul had two men with him, as he journeyed down road to Damascus, and then the Lord speak to disciple Ananias saying Paul is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles.
Acts 9.
Paul went into synagogues preach Jesus.
That he ( Jesus ) is Son of God. Acts 9:20.

Almighty God given to Moses that out of the mouth of two or three witnesses shall the matter be established.
Paul had 12 disciples and disciple Ananias as witnesses.

Where Muhammad witnesses only wife, and wife complaning to Muhammad women treated like dogs and mule asses.
Sahih Muslim 4:1039

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The 12 apostles don't conform with paul. And james peter and barnabas even had real issues with what paul was teaching to the gentiles. At one point jewish Christians sat in one area and the gentiles in another. Because paul was teaching something else besides the teaching of Jesus peace be upon him.

Simon magus was a believer wasn't he? For some reason Simon magus apostated. He wanted to bribe the apostles with money so they can give him powers. Magus in arabic means majoos its Zoroastrian for maji. There's similarities between simon and Paul. Hellenistic.

Anyway the last phrophet on earth Mohammad peace be upon him not only received revelations he received it infront of many people including his adversaries.

Muslim-UK said:

Maybe concentrate on your own book, which is clearly laid out:

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You like this man in video has no knowledge of what bible say or confirm's.

Had you any knowledge what Paul say. You don't, because you not Christian to know what Christian bible Actually do say

Can you give answer, There is two kinds of Christians in world, one false and one true Christian.
How would you know them apart
Give answer?

Faithofchristian said:

As you have said, So You do not know how to read Christian bible, it's ok because your not christian.

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If your Christian don't you ask questions? It's necessary to ask questions.

Also please stop brining up moses peace be upon him. According to jewish testament it was aaron peace be upon him who threw the rod that turned to a snake. In islam it was moses. That's why we say we are closer to moses.