OT ritual by Jesus and his disciples is missing in the New Testament prior to crucifixion. Why?

The new covenant did not do away with the LAW, but some judgments UNDER the law did change -including animal sacrifices.

All animal sacrifice foreshadowed Christ's sacrifice. Christ's sacrifice did what those others could not actually do (remove sin).

What was to be done in response to breaking the law also changed -such as stoning people to death for adultery (death removed sin from Israel by removing sinners -but the new covenant focused on removing sin from the sinner. the spirit of God was made widely available after Christ's sacrifice -called a spirit of power, love and of a sound mind -which enables one to actually change their nature rather than simply strive to refrain from sin [as with the old covenant which prepared a people for the new].

The commandments, sabbath, holy days, offerings (some were not sacrifice) did not change (even though many believe they did).

In the New Testament, there is much about why sacrifice is no longer necessary -and recorded controversy between those who understood and did not.
If I remember correctly, one of Christ's servants did partake in animal sacrifice because it was not sin to do so -even though it was not necessary -to be accepted by some and continue to explain things to them (being "all things to all men").

metis said:

On the Essenes:

A little later, Josephus gave a detailed account of the Essenes in The Jewish War (c. 75 CE), with a shorter description in Antiquities of the Jews (c. 94 CE) and The Life of Flavius Josephus (c. 97 CE). Claiming first hand knowledge, he lists the Essenoi as one of the three sects of Jewish philosophy alongside the Pharisees and the Sadducees. He relates the same information concerning piety, celibacy, the absence of personal property and of money, the belief in communality, and commitment to a strict observance of Sabbath. He further adds that the Essenes ritually immersed in water every morning, ate together after prayer, devoted themselves to charity and benevolence, forbade the expression of anger, studied the books of the elders, preserved secrets, and were very mindful of the names of the angels kept in their sacred writings...

The accounts by Josephus and Philo show that the Essenes led a strictly communal life... Also, they were forbidden from swearing oaths and from sacrificing animals... Josephus and Philo provide lengthy accounts of their communal meetings, meals and religious celebrations...

After a total of three years' probation, newly joining members would take an oath that included the commitment to practice piety towards "the Deity" (το θειον) and righteousness towards humanity, to maintain a pure lifestyle, to abstain from criminal and immoral activities, to transmit their rules uncorrupted and to preserve the books of the Essenes and the names of the Angels...

One theory on the formation of the Essenes suggests that the movement was founded by a Jewish high priest, dubbed by the Essenes the Teacher of Righteousness, whose office had been usurped by Jonathan (of priestly but not of Zadokitelineage), labeled the "man of lies" or "false priest". Others follow this line and a few argue that the Teacher of Righteousness was not only the leader of the Essenes at Qumran, but was also identical to the original Jesus [Essa] about 150 years before the time of the Gospels...

Some Essene rituals, such as daily immersion in the mikveh, coincide with contemporary Hasidic practices; some historians have also suggested that the name "Essene" is a Hellenized form of the word "Hasidim" or "Hasid" ("pious ones")... Essenes - Wikipedia

Again, there's no indication that Jesus fits well with them.

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they were the nazarites of mt carmel. jesus was from nazarene, or the naasene.

naas ireland St. Patrick drove the serpents out of ireland. the gnadir, or the druidic cernunnos. a seal was placed on cain that no man should touch him, lest they be destroyed.

they were serpent worshipers, be as wise a serpents and as innocent as dove. like moses with nehushtan. they existed the world over, case in point, the uraeus that sat on the forehead of the egyptian pharoah, the nagaraja that guards vishnu, yggdrasil of the tree of life, et al


John 14:30
I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on me,

Prince of the World.

The Jews of course emphatically repudiated the doctrine of the demiurge, who was identified by some Christian gnostics with the God of the Old Testament and designated as the "accursed God of the Jews," from whom all the evil in the world was derived (Epiphanius, "Hæreses," xl. 7; comp. Harnack, "Geschichte der Altchristlichen Litteratur," p. 174; Herzog-Hauck, l.c. vi. 736; Friedländer, l.c. p. 69). The monotheism of the Jews was incompatible with a demiurge of any kind. The passage Abot iv. 22, already quoted, is evidently directed against the demiurge and similar views: "To be announcedand to be made known that He is the God, the God, the Maker, the Creator, the Prudent, the Judge . . . that He shall judge . . . for all belongs to Him. If thy bad inclination assures thee that the nether world will be thy refuge, [know] that thou hast been created and born against thy will, that thou wilt live and die against thy will, and that thou wilt give account before the King of Kings against thy will." The belief in a "prince of the world" is a reflex of the demiurge. When God said, "I arrange everything after its kind," the prince of the world sang a song of praise (Ḥul. 60a). It was he that recited Ps. xxxvii, 25, for it is he, not God, who lives only since the Creation (Yeb. 16b). He desired God to make King Hezekiah the Messiah, but God said, "That is my secret"; God would not reveal to the demiurge His intentions in regard to Israel (Sanh. 94a; comp. Krochmal, l.c. p. 202).

Kemosloby said:

It must have been before they established the rules for the priesthood, Since Moses wasn't the Priest, Aaron was.

Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 33:7-11 - New International Version

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joshua took over after moses and became the leader of the people. joshua was yeshua was hosea was melchizedek, was elisha, was asaph, was ......adam

Rival said:

I know.

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then why would you think you have to be exclusively jewish to be the messiah of the world.

Nowhere Man said:

It struck me as strange that there are no accounts of Jesus or his disciples making animal offerings at the temple.

The old covenant was still in effect because Jesus hadn't ascended yet and from my understanding it is taken that Jesus and his disciples were Jewish.

I found it strange that it's conspicuously missing. You would think that animal offerings would be accounted for in the New Testament narrative prior to the crucifixion by Jesus and the disciples.

What do you think the reason is that something as importiant as making offerings to God at the temple, mentioned many times in the Canon, is never mentioned or ommited throughout the entirety of the New Testament ?

They were still under the old law at the time. Wern't they?

Why dosent biblical narrative record shows it then?

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Which animal offering do you think He should have done?

KenS said:

Which animal offering do you think He should have done?

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It appears it would be a couple of doves from what I read.

Nowhere Man said:

I found it strange that it's conspicuously missing. You would think that animal offerings would be accounted for in the New Testament narrative prior to the crucifixion by Jesus and the disciples. What do you think the reason is that something as importiant as making offerings to God at the temple, mentioned many times in the Canon, is never mentioned or ommited throughout the entirety of the New Testament ? They were still under the old law at the time. Wern't they?
Why dosent biblical narrative record shows it then?

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You understand that Jesus recognizes the law and the Prophets but also reveals the new spiritual revelation regarding them:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
My view is that Jesus does refer to the laws and ordinances in the Gospel before His crucifixion... Consider the following:

Matthew 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Fasting:

Mark 2:18 And the disciples of John and of the Pharisees used to fast: and they come and say unto him, Why do the disciples of John and of the Pharisees fast, but thy disciples fast not? 2:19 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast.

Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

(Jesus is quoting Deuteronomy 6:4)

In terms of offerings read:

Mark 1:43 And he straitly charged him, and forthwith sent him away; 1:44 And saith unto him, See thou say nothing to any man: but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing those things which Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

Nowhere Man said:

It appears it would be a couple of doves from what I read.

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I've checked all of the times a dove offering was to be given... didn't find any that applied to Jesus.

I know that he kept the Passover, so I know there was a sacrificing of lambs...

Maybe I missed one.

KenS said:

I've checked all of the times a dove offering was to be given... didn't find any that applied to Jesus.

I know that he kept the Passover, so I know there was a sacrificing of lambs...

Maybe I missed one.

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Maybe it wasn't doves. I just took it that way givin the biblical affinity with doves. It involves healing of leprosy.

Wizanda provided the verses here..

Leviticus 14

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KenS said:

I've checked all of the times a dove offering was to be given... didn't find any that applied to Jesus.

I know that he kept the Passover, so I know there was a sacrificing of lambs...

Maybe I missed one.

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Dove often were sacrificed coming from poor families especially.

metis said:

Dove often were sacrificed coming from poor families especially.

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Correct, but as I looked, it was for sin or for lepers or for bodily discharges etc. In context of the OP, none of these qualified the necessity for Jesus to do it (in the Christian understanding)

KenS said:

Correct, but as I looked, it was for sin or for lepers or for bodily discharges etc. In context of the OP, none of these qualified the necessity for Jesus to do it (in the Christian understanding)

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Unless his family was fairly poor, which could be possible, especially considering the economic problems of that region under Roman control. Inflation was a major problem because of all the building going on financed and controlled by the Romans.

Nowhere Man said:

It struck me as strange that there are no accounts of Jesus or his disciples making animal offerings at the temple.The old covenant was still in effect because Jesus hadn't ascended yet and from my understanding it is taken that Jesus and his disciples were Jewish.
I found it strange that it's conspicuously missing. You would think that animal offerings would be accounted for in the New Testament narrative prior to the crucifixion by Jesus and the disciples.
What do you think the reason is that something as importiant as making offerings to God at the temple, mentioned many times in the Canon, is never mentioned or ommited throughout the entirety of the New Testament ?
They were still under the old law at the time. Wern't they?
Why dosent biblical narrative record shows it then?

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My favorite area of study is prophetic scripture, especially Apocalyptic literature like revelation of John etc. Still maybe I can get you started. I would suggest you go to the book of Hebrews. Hebrews answers your question when it explains animal sacrifice was 'temporary' and would end with the coming of Jesus, not when Jesus died. Paul also taught the sacrificial ritual was to end with the coming of Jesus Christ in Colossians 2:16, again when Jesus began to be known, not upon his death. I know this was a brief abstract, so does it answer your questions?

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Maybe it’s not mentioned because everyone was doing it. It wouldn’t have been a big deal. It’s like farting. Everyone does it about ten times a day but no one writes about it. Well almost no one. Benjamin Franklin did write a book about it and Saint Augustine did mention he saw a guy who can play musical tones out his rear end but those are exceptions to the rule.

Nowhere Man said:

It struck me as strange that there are no accounts of Jesus or his disciples making animal offerings at the temple.

The old covenant was still in effect because Jesus hadn't ascended yet and from my understanding it is taken that Jesus and his disciples were Jewish.

I found it strange that it's conspicuously missing. You would think that animal offerings would be accounted for in the New Testament narrative prior to the crucifixion by Jesus and the disciples.

What do you think the reason is that something as importiant as making offerings to God at the temple, mentioned many times in the Canon, is never mentioned or ommited throughout the entirety of the New Testament ?

They were still under the old law at the time. Wern't they?

Why dosent biblical narrative record shows it then?

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Because animal sacrifices were already suspended even before the Lord Jesus Christ was born.


Isaiah 1:11-13New International Version (NIV)

“The multitude of your sacrifices—
what are they to me?” says the Lord.
“I have more than enough of burnt offerings,
of rams and the fat of fattened animals;
I have no pleasure
in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats.
When you come to appear before me,
who has asked this of you,
this trampling of my courts?
Stop bringing meaningless offerings!
Your incense is detestable to me.
New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations—
I cannot bear your worthless assemblies.

omega2xx said:

The reason for Jesus not doing it is easy. The offerings were for sins committed, Jesus never sinned. The only sins recorded for the disciples are that of Judas, and he took care of that himself. The other is Peter's denial of Jesus and Jesus restored him and forgave him personally(Jn 21:15-17).

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That doesn't explain anything. The majority of sacrifices were not for sins. So even if what you said was true (its not), the question would still apply.

wizanda said:

Not sure how or why they put speech?

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Because the root of DiVRaTh is DaVaR which means "speak" or "thing".
The possible translations become "about the speech of Melchizedek" or "about the matter of Melchizedek".

There is no 'speech of Melchizedek'; there is a cause, a Way, a ceremony, an order...

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These four words are not synonyms.

Kemosloby said:

David wasn't a priest, so I've heard. According to the law of Moses only Levites could be priests.

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See 2 Sam. 8:18. The word "kohen" usually translated as "priest" has an alternate translation of "head (like of an organization)".

Etritonakin said:

All animal sacrifice foreshadowed Christ's sacrifice. Christ's sacrifice did what those others could not actually do (remove sin).

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So, can you explain how the Thanks Offering, the Sight Offering, the Vowed Offerings, the Public Peace Offering (specifically the one for the festival of Weeks), the Tithe Offering or the Meal Offering foreshadowed Jesus?

KenS said:

Which animal offering do you think He should have done?

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If he went into the Temple, then he would be required to bring a burnt offering called the "sight burnt offering". This was brought at least once, every period one visited the Temple to fulfill Ex. 24:14-15.

There was also all the holiday offerings.