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The Wedding of Jesus

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Just a question for my personal illumination. Wasn't Jesus from "...the house of Levi"; and wouldn't his teaching in the synagogue elevate him the Rabbi level?

Hi...... Galilean Jews were comparatively late converts to Judaism.
The Levite tribe dates back to the beginning!
If Jesus had been a Levite then what was he and his Dad working with their hands for?
Levites had special duties like guarding the Temple. Jesus would have lead a totally different life.
Where did you get that from?
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Call Jesus what you wish, but he never made it to Meshiah.
Christians seem so desperate to make Jesus virginal. I've never seen a picture of how Yeshua would have appeared on a real cross, suffering the horror, torture and extreme INDIGNITY of crucifixion. Christians always needed to pop a little loin-cloth around him! What is it with many Christians?

No doubt about it but, the Holocaust that reached the end with six millions Jews, being a million and a half of children
who did not know the right from the left experienced worse suffering, horror, torture and indignity than one does on the cross. Jesus did not suffer more than three hours. Many in the Holocaust suffered years.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
But what people miss is that the New Covenant was established with the House of Israel and the House of Judah if you read Jeremiah 31:31,32. Not with Gentiles who refuse to convert to Judaism according to Isaiah 56:1-8 aka Jewish Law.
Fair enough...... but Christians spun their own and called it the same. It's easier to grasp and extract an eel from a barrel than tie many Christians down to their commands and laws. When cornered, many actually declare that they only get to their heaven by Faith and not deeds. :shrug:
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
No doubt about it but, the Holocaust that reached the end with six millions Jews, being a million and a half of children
who did not know the right from the left experienced worse suffering, horror, torture and indignity than one does on the cross. Jesus did not suffer more than three hours. Many in the Holocaust suffered years.
Ben..... on the side of the debate....
You missed out the Jehovah Witnesses, Gypsies, Blacks, Gays, and over seven million Eastern Europeans who just never get mentioned.

Please always include all the victims of the holocaust. :)
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Galatians 2

15“We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith ind Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.

17“But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker.

19“For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”


Ha ha!
But Paul demanded, commanded and expected Christians to keep to LAWS!
I could give you many examples, but PAY YOUR DUES! and PAY YOUR TAXES! were the first that I thought of.

ROMANS 13:6 and 7
 

omega2xx

Well-Known Member
Is there at least one verse in the NT asserting that Jesus was NOT married?

Irrelevant. You cant prove something with a lack of informtaion.

For a Jewish man to be married was a mitzvah, therefore the regular way to live. To be still single at his age of over 30 and hanging around with 12 young men was an abnormality for a man in the First Century.
Jewish traditions are also irrelevant. Paul implied it was better to be unmarried. Then more attention can be applied to serving God.

Isn't much healthier to think that Mary Magdalene was Jesus' beloved disciple?

It is much better to support with Scrdipture than with opinions

God have mercy on fanatic Christians!

God have mercy on those who think their OPINIONS come from God and have nothing to support what they say.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Fair enough...... but Christians spun their own and called it the same. It's easier to grasp and extract an eel from a barrel than tie many Christians down to their commands and laws. When cornered, many actually declare that they only get to their heaven by Faith and not deeds. :shrug:

This to get to heaven by faith and not by the deeds of the Law is balderdash. Real life is an evidence that faith won't help if one breaks the Law. Only obedience of the Law saves one from the consequences of breaking the Law. Jesus himself warned people in his parables that to escape hell-fire one must listen to "Moses" aka the Law.(Luke 16:29-31)
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Irrelevant. You cant prove something with a lack of informtaion.

The lack of info as marriage for Jews in the First Century was concerned, is an evidence that Jesus was married. Not to be married at his age would have been a shame bordering on embarrassment among those who knew him. A Jewish man at Jesus' time was expected to be married since his time as a teenager.
 

omega2xx

Well-Known Member
He probably was..... Jewish men probably got married in their late teens. I don't think Jesus was asexual.
...and I think that he loved Magdalene.
The balance of probability bears more weight (for me) than Christian myths that were invented about him later on.

"Probably" does not equal :was."


Without some Scriptural support that He was married, the myth remains on the side of He was married.
 

omega2xx

Well-Known Member
The lack of info as marriage for Jews in the First Century was concerned, is an evidence that Jesus was married.

Without Scriptural support, it only your OPINION.

Not to be married at his age would have been a shame bordering on embarrassment among those who knew him. A Jewish man at Jesus' time was expected to be married since his time as a teenager.

Without Scriptural support, it is only your OPINION. You can't even show any Scripture that not being married was shameful or embarrassment. If you want to live by unbiblical tradidtions, be my guest.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Ben..... on the side of the debate....You missed out the Jehovah Witnesses, Gypsies, Blacks, Gays, and over seven million Eastern Europeans who just never get mentioned. Please always include all the victims of the holocaust. :)

I have a reason to remind the readers of our victims. The others also have a voice and free choice to remind us all of their victims.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
"Probably" does not equal :was."


Without some Scriptural support that He was married, the myth remains on the side of He was married.

Ah, but in a public debate, a historical balance of probability, even possibility, would most likely win over the mass of junk written in the gospels about J's early years.

I wonder how the vote would go amongst neutral scrutiny?
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Hi...... Galilean Jews were comparatively late converts to Judaism.
The Levite tribe dates back to the beginning!
If Jesus had been a Levite then what was he and his Dad working with their hands for?
Levites had special duties like guarding the Temple. Jesus would have lead a totally different life.
Where did you get that from?

This kind of what I thought also. Sort of like you can be one of the elite but don't quit your day job.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
He probably was..... Jewish men probably got married in their late teens. I don't think Jesus was asexual.
...and I think that he loved Magdalene.
The balance of probability bears more weight (for me) than Christian myths that were invented about him later on.
I agree with one on what I have colored in mageta.Please
Regards
 
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omega2xx

Well-Known Member
Ah, but in a public debate, a historical balance of probability, even possibility, would most likely win over the mass of junk written in the gospels about J's early years.

Without Scriptural support there is no meaningful debate.

I wonder how the vote would go amongst neutral scrutiny?

Irrelevant.


There are only three types of people; those who have found God and serve him; those who have not found God and seek him, and those who live not seeking, or finding him. The first are rational and happy; the second unhappy and rational, and the third foolish and unhappy.
 

omega2xx

Well-Known Member
With scriptural support, it's only your FAITH!
:shrug:

Much of what believe is by faith alone. In the spiritual realm, what your and others believe is also by faith alone.


There are only three types of people; those who have found God and serve him; those who have not found God and seek him, and those who live not seeking, or finding him. The first are rational and happy; the second unhappy and rational, and the third foolish and unhappy.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Without Scriptural support there is no meaningful debate.
The calls of one in denial

Irrelevant.
Yet more denial.


There are only three types of people; those who have found God and serve him................
I do respect Jehovah's Witnesses, and count them as among the most honest, lawful decent folks on Earth, but they would never call anybody 'fool'.

Matthew 5:22 ..............but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. :shrug:
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
The Wedding of Jesus

No, please, hold unto the stones, and no throwing until you hear what I have to say. Besides, that's not my final word. I am still researching the matter. That's a partial submission for some second thoughts on the matter. Jesus was a Rabbi and here are the proofs: Matthew 23:7, John 1:38; 3:2. In many other instances, he was addressed as Master, which means the same. The point is that a Rabbi in Israel just like senior Pastors among Protestants had to be a married man or about to get married. Otherwise, he would not be ordained as such.

According to Judaism, after the proper preparation whatever it was at that time, probably, Mary's parents had passed away, because she used to live with her sister Martha and brother Lazarus. I mean, they lived with Mary, who was the one well-to-do. Martha would pay her room-and-board as a sort of maiden servant and Lazarus... well, I think he was a loafer-boy taking advantage of his rich sister. He was probably a sick man anyway, considering that he died twice.

Okay, but back to the wedding, Jesus' mother Mary had to do the host job; and she did it quite well by giving orders around to the servants. And according to another custom, the bridegroom was in charge to provide the wine, which mind you, Jesus made it sure to be of the best quality. The student would undergo the ceremonial "Mikveh" or immersion in waters and, if not married yet, to take care of that before ordination.

So, after Jesus' immersion in the Jordan River, officiated by John the Baptist aka Yonathan the Immerser, Jesus was seen in the next two days recruiting his disciples and leaving for Galilee. (John 1:29,35,43) And on the third day after his "Mikveh," The family and friends were celebrating his wedding in Cana with Mary Magdalene. Wait! Put down the stones! I'll explain.

According to a certain custom, usually the mother of the bride would be in charge of the celebrations, (John 2:10) I can assert for this custom because I was married in Israel and reminded of the custom, which I had happily to comply. The tale of the miracle was interpolated much later to deviate the probing attention of those who have a mind of their own from finding out what was really going on in Cana.

After Jesus' wedding, you can check for yourselves, all Jesus' come-and-goes were from and to Bethany, the home of Mary Magdalene. It must have been a very spacious and beautiful home, since Mary had the means to maintain it. Mind you that Mary would also take the tab for the expenses of Jesus' group of Twelve Apostles, along with some other women of course, who would tip it in from time to time.

Whenever Jesus would return from his missionary campaigns throughout Israel, the address was Bethany. To his wife obviously, although most the time, Mary Magdalene would follow Jesus as his beloved disciple, but never at the level of the Twelve. The Church later interpolated John as the beloved disciple for the same reason to get the mind of the readers away from the thought that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene. But it's not helping because the evidences are just too shouting.

Do we have any hint to pick up as evidence for any romantic approach prior or after their wedding? Yes, we do. After Jesus exorcized "seven demons" from Mary, she must have fallen in love with him. (Luke 8:1-3) And the expression "seven demons" means the struggle that Jesus had to go through to rescue Mary from her not so reputable business in Magdala, which granted her a title she could never get rid of.

Then, in Bethany - where else? - when Mary was smearing Jesus' body with that expensive perfume, we all know, although we forbid ourselves to think about it, Mary did not just throw that perfume at him from afar. No way! She did smear him all over even in terms of massage; so much so that some of the guests thought it ridiculous and criticized the act done so, publicly. (Mat. 26:10-13)

Then, while everyone else would address Jesus as Rabbi, Mary would call him "Rabboni," a colloquial term used as an expression of love, especially by a Rabbi's wife. It also means Master of my sufferings, as Rachel named her son Benoni before she died from child birth. (Gen. 35:18)

Later, when Mary went to the tomb area after Jesus' crucifixion, and saw the empty tomb, she never suffered more in her life. She wanted to take Jesus' body away with her. (John 20:15) Then, she was crying without consolation. At her travail, she saw a man standing by, whom she thought to be the Gardener.

"Why are you crying?" the man asked. Jesus knew why but he wanted to enjoy the answer from his beloved's lips. Alas! She did not identify him! It was too dark. But then Jesus tried her name just the way he used to call her. "Mary..." It's hard to say it in writing, but Mary melted down and said, "Rabboni!" He was indeed the master of her sufferings. This is an expression with such a profound meaning in Hebrew or Aramaic that Mary jumped to hug him but Jesus, probably all in bandages, forbade her to cause him any more unnecessary pains. He would meet her later at more propitious circumstances. (John 20:17)

Then, after some apparitions to the disciples, Jesus said goodbye and left his company. From then on, the names of these three peoples were never mentioned again: Jesus, Mary and Joseph of Arimathea. Jesus yes, but only in connection with his teachings by the Nazarenes, a Jewish sect organized by the Apostles on Jesus
behalf. Joseph had to go along because, if he had stayed, he could be crucified for having cheated on Pilate regarding Jesus who was not dead when he took him off the cross.

Today, there are three speculations about their whereabouts. The first is that they settled down incognito in Talpiot, a small town to the South and not too far from Jerusalem, where some people have claimed to have found out the graves of Yeshua, Miriam and Yoseph. I went there personally but just to be told that the area could not be explored by orders of the local Meier for being under an Apartment building.

The second speculation is that they left Israel and went to live in Cashmere, India, where a Russian Archaeologist is claimed to have found the graves of Yeshua, Miriam and Yosef with the shield of David.

And the third speculation is the one of the Da-Vinci Code that the three went to Europe and settled down in the Southern part of France in a small village. And that Mary gave birth to a daughter, who eventually got married within the Merovingian nobility.

Whatever happened after Jesus said goodbye to his disciples, I don't endorse anything that has been speculated. My point is only to verify the truth about Jesus' marriage to Mary Magdalene. If that's true without the shadow of a doubt, we have only to be joyful that Jesus fulfilled also the commandment to get married and father children. (Genesis 2:24) Besides, a married man only adds to his honor for being so. Why deny Jesus the pleasure of being a man by completing himself by experiencing the love of a woman?

Okay, now you can throw the stones. Nu! Halo! Where is everybody? Halooo! Well, I think they all left. They must have realized thta they all have feelings too.

It takes a whole page to create a story but it only takes a couple of lines to debunk it:

John 2:2 (ASV) and Jesus also was bidden, and his disciples, to the marriage.
John 2:2 (CEB) Jesus and his disciples were also invited to the celebration.
John 2:2 (BBE) And Jesus with his disciples came as guests.

Grooms are not bidden or invited and neither are they guests.

But nice try, though.
 
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