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The Wedding of Jesus

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
The Wedding of Jesus

No, please, hold unto the stones, and no throwing until you hear what I have to say. Besides, that's not my final word. I am still researching the matter. That's a partial submission for some second thoughts on the matter. Jesus was a Rabbi and here are the proofs: Matthew 23:7, John 1:38; 3:2. In many other instances, he was addressed as Master, which means the same. The point is that a Rabbi in Israel just like senior Pastors among Protestants had to be a married man or about to get married. Otherwise, he would not be ordained as such.

According to Judaism, after the proper preparation whatever it was at that time, probably, Mary's parents had passed away, because she used to live with her sister Martha and brother Lazarus. I mean, they lived with Mary, who was the one well-to-do. Martha would pay her room-and-board as a sort of maiden servant and Lazarus... well, I think he was a loafer-boy taking advantage of his rich sister. He was probably a sick man anyway, considering that he died twice.

Okay, but back to the wedding, Jesus' mother Mary had to do the host job; and she did it quite well by giving orders around to the servants. And according to another custom, the bridegroom was in charge to provide the wine, which mind you, Jesus made it sure to be of the best quality. The student would undergo the ceremonial "Mikveh" or immersion in waters and, if not married yet, to take care of that before ordination.

So, after Jesus' immersion in the Jordan River, officiated by John the Baptist aka Yonathan the Immerser, Jesus was seen in the next two days recruiting his disciples and leaving for Galilee. (John 1:29,35,43) And on the third day after his "Mikveh," The family and friends were celebrating his wedding in Cana with Mary Magdalene. Wait! Put down the stones! I'll explain.

According to a certain custom, usually the mother of the bride would be in charge of the celebrations, (John 2:10) I can assert for this custom because I was married in Israel and reminded of the custom, which I had happily to comply. The tale of the miracle was interpolated much later to deviate the probing attention of those who have a mind of their own from finding out what was really going on in Cana.

After Jesus' wedding, you can check for yourselves, all Jesus' come-and-goes were from and to Bethany, the home of Mary Magdalene. It must have been a very spacious and beautiful home, since Mary had the means to maintain it. Mind you that Mary would also take the tab for the expenses of Jesus' group of Twelve Apostles, along with some other women of course, who would tip it in from time to time.

Whenever Jesus would return from his missionary campaigns throughout Israel, the address was Bethany. To his wife obviously, although most the time, Mary Magdalene would follow Jesus as his beloved disciple, but never at the level of the Twelve. The Church later interpolated John as the beloved disciple for the same reason to get the mind of the readers away from the thought that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene. But it's not helping because the evidences are just too shouting.

Do we have any hint to pick up as evidence for any romantic approach prior or after their wedding? Yes, we do. After Jesus exorcized "seven demons" from Mary, she must have fallen in love with him. (Luke 8:1-3) And the expression "seven demons" means the struggle that Jesus had to go through to rescue Mary from her not so reputable business in Magdala, which granted her a title she could never get rid of.

Then, in Bethany - where else? - when Mary was smearing Jesus' body with that expensive perfume, we all know, although we forbid ourselves to think about it, Mary did not just throw that perfume at him from afar. No way! She did smear him all over even in terms of massage; so much so that some of the guests thought it ridiculous and criticized the act done so, publicly. (Mat. 26:10-13)

Then, while everyone else would address Jesus as Rabbi, Mary would call him "Rabboni," a colloquial term used as an expression of love, especially by a Rabbi's wife. It also means Master of my sufferings, as Rachel named her son Benoni before she died from child birth. (Gen. 35:18)

Later, when Mary went to the tomb area after Jesus' crucifixion, and saw the empty tomb, she never suffered more in her life. She wanted to take Jesus' body away with her. (John 20:15) Then, she was crying without consolation. At her travail, she saw a man standing by, whom she thought to be the Gardener.

"Why are you crying?" the man asked. Jesus knew why but he wanted to enjoy the answer from his beloved's lips. Alas! She did not identify him! It was too dark. But then Jesus tried her name just the way he used to call her. "Mary..." It's hard to say it in writing, but Mary melted down and said, "Rabboni!" He was indeed the master of her sufferings. This is an expression with such a profound meaning in Hebrew or Aramaic that Mary jumped to hug him but Jesus, probably all in bandages, forbade her to cause him any more unnecessary pains. He would meet her later at more propitious circumstances. (John 20:17)

Then, after some apparitions to the disciples, Jesus said goodbye and left his company. From then on, the names of these three peoples were never mentioned again: Jesus, Mary and Joseph of Arimathea. Jesus yes, but only in connection with his teachings by the Nazarenes, a Jewish sect organized by the Apostles on Jesus
behalf. Joseph had to go along because, if he had stayed, he could be crucified for having cheated on Pilate regarding Jesus who was not dead when he took him off the cross.

Today, there are three speculations about their whereabouts. The first is that they settled down incognito in Talpiot, a small town to the South and not too far from Jerusalem, where some people have claimed to have found out the graves of Yeshua, Miriam and Yoseph. I went there personally but just to be told that the area could not be explored by orders of the local Meier for being under an Apartment building.

The second speculation is that they left Israel and went to live in Cashmere, India, where a Russian Archaeologist is claimed to have found the graves of Yeshua, Miriam and Yosef with the shield of David.

And the third speculation is the one of the Da-Vinci Code that the three went to Europe and settled down in the Southern part of France in a small village. And that Mary gave birth to a daughter, who eventually got married within the Merovingian nobility.

Whatever happened after Jesus said goodbye to his disciples, I don't endorse anything that has been speculated. My point is only to verify the truth about Jesus' marriage to Mary Magdalene. If that's true without the shadow of a doubt, we have only to be joyful that Jesus fulfilled also the commandment to get married and father children. (Genesis 2:24) Besides, a married man only adds to his honor for being so. Why deny Jesus the pleasure of being a man by completing himself by experiencing the love of a woman?

Okay, now you can throw the stones. Nu! Halo! Where is everybody? Halooo! Well, I think they all left. They must have realized thta they all have feelings too.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
The Wedding of Jesus
Hello!
I've had one of them...... you know.... weddings! :)
No, please, hold unto the stones, and no throwing until you hear what I have to say. Besides, that's not my final word.
Tssst! You're no fun! Can I use house bricks?
am still researching the matter. That's a partial submission for some second thoughts on the matter.
Not a bad idea! :D
Jesus was a Rabbi
Ha ha! Do you think that the son of a land-displaced handworker in the 2nd order of peasants can make it to educated rabbi? This is fun!
When can we start chucking the bricks.... err.... stones?
and here are the proofs:........
Oh... my head......... all this.... waffle! :)
So, after Jesus' immersion in the Jordan River, officiated by John the Baptist aka Yonathan the Immerser, Jesus was seen in the next two days recruiting his disciples and leaving for Galilee.
I thought he cleared off into the wastelands for a few weeks?
Put down the stones! I'll explain.
I wanna chuck somethin'! Can I chuck a brick at a mod? Ummm..... I never said that.....ok?
After Jesus' wedding, you can check for yourselves, all Jesus' come-and-goes were from and to Bethany, the home of Mary Magdalene.
She never! Magdalene lived in Magdala..... I wanna chuck a brick./... oh pleaseeee. I won't throw it hard.
along with some other women of course, who would tip it in from time to time.
Wimmen! Good! Tell us about the wimmen..... yeah! :)
....... Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene.
You've saved yourself from a good bricking. I like you now. ! :D
Jesus had to go through to rescue Mary from her not so reputable business in Magdala, which granted her a title she could never get rid of.
Oh, some Pope decided all that stuff back in the 7th century. Some other Pope has recently decided that Magdalene was a proper-lady.
You're good at Aramaic and Hebrew, I think. Do you happen to know what 'stuff' means in working-class English, Kentish dialect spoken with a Thanet accent? :)
Then, in Bethany - where else? - when Mary was smearing Jesus' body with that expensive perfume, we all know, although we forbid ourselves to think about it,
...I think about it! You haven't got any pics of that, have you?

After that it's all just Christian stuff.
Well, bother me! You do! You know working-class English, Kentish dialect spoken with a Thanet accent.!¬
Amazing! :D
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
Jesus was a Rabbi
That's wrong.

Unless you can procure some evidence outside "the NT said so".

In many other instances, he was addressed as Master, which means the same.
That's wrong.

Master (Mar) is the term used to respectfully refer to someone.

The point is that a Rabbi in Israel just like senior Pastors among Protestants had to be a married man or about to get married.
That's wrong.

Being married is not one of the requirements to be a rabbi.

Otherwise, he would not be ordained as such.
That's wrong.

Ordination has nothing to do with being a married. Nor does one need to be ordained in order to be what is colloquially called a rabbi. Ordination strictly allows a person to deliberate in whichever area of Jewish Law that he received ordination for. Most rabbis in the Babylonian Talmud didn't have ordination since it was only given in the land of Israel.

According to a certain custom, usually the mother of the bride would be in charge of the celebrations
That's wrong.

The wedding party is actually called "feast of the groom" and it is a seudas mitzvah incumbent on the groom. There used to be another party closer to an engagement party that took place in the bride's home. That was also paid for by the groom. The Talmud discusses whether if they get divorced the bride needs to pay the groom back for expenses for such a party.

"Rabboni," a colloquial term used as an expression of love, especially by a Rabbi's wife.
That's wrong.

Rabboni means "my Rabbi". Rabbon + i = Rabbi + my.

"Rabboni,".... It also means Master of my sufferings,
That's wrong.

Oni is spelled אוני as you correctly mentioned that Benjamin was called בן אוני - Ben Oni. But Rabboni is spelled רבוני and is lacking the first letter of Oni אוני as is found by Benjamin. What you are looking for is רבאוני < רב אוני and no such word exists.
 
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Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Hello! I've had one of them...... you know.... weddings! Tssst! You're no fun! Can I use house bricks? Not a bad idea! Ha ha! Do you think that the son of a land-displaced handworker in the 2nd order of peasants can make it to educated rabbi? This is fun! When can we start chucking the bricks.... err.... stones? Oh... my head...all this... waffle! I thought he cleared off into the wastelands for a few weeks?
I wanna chuck somethin'! Can I chuck a brick at a mod? Ummm... I never said that.....ok? She never! Magdalene lived in Magdala..... I wanna chuck a brick./... oh pleaseeee. I won't throw it hard. Wimmen! Good! Tell us about the wimmen..... yeah! You've saved yourself from a good bricking. I like you now. ! Oh, some Pope decided all that stuff back in the 7th century. Some other Pope has recently decided that Magdalene was a proper-lady.You're good at Aramaic and Hebrew, I think. Do you happen to know what 'stuff' means in working-class English, Kentish dialect spoken with a Thanet accent? ...I think about it! You haven't got any pics of that, have you?Well, bother me! You do! You know working-class English, Kentish dialect spoken with a Thanet accent.!¬ Amazing!

Welcome to the club! I have had two of them...you know...weddings! There is a midrash that Jesus was educated by the Essenes. Of course, Joseph and Mary could not have taken care of his education. Jesus' 40 days in the desert was according to the first three gospels. John had never heard of a time in the wastelands in the life of Jesus. I think the gospel of John was right as that was concerned. The Pope who said that Mary Magdalene was a proper lady, I am not aware of. Pope Gregory VII said that she was a prostitute in the city of Magdala in the Northeastern side of the Sea of Galilee.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
That's wrong. Unless you can procure some evidence outside "the NT said so". That's wrong. Master (Mar) is the term used to respectfully refer to someone. That's wrong. Being married is not one of the requirements to be a rabbi. That's wrong. Ordination has nothing to do with being a married. Nor does one need to be ordained in order to be what is colloquially called a rabbi. Ordination strictly allows a person to deliberate in whichever area of Jewish Law that he received ordination for. Most rabbis in the Babylonian Talmud didn't have ordination since it was only given in the land of Israel. That's wrong. The wedding party is actually called "feast of the groom" and it is a seudas mitzvah incumbent on the groom. There used to be another party closer to an engagement party that took place in the bride's home. That was also paid for by the groom. The Talmud discusses whether if they get divorced the bride needs to pay the groom back for expenses for such a party. That's wrong Rabboni means "my Rabbi". That's wrong. Oni is spelled אוני as you correctly mentioned that Benjamin was called בן אוני - Ben Oni. But Rabboni is spelled רבוני and is lacking the first letter of Oni אוני as is found by Benjamin. What you are looking for is רבאוני < רב אוני and no such word exists.

Have you ever read the NT? Probably not! That's why every thing above is wrong for you.
 

omega2xx

Well-Known Member
The Wedding of Jesus

No, please, hold unto the stones, and no throwing until you hear what I have to say. Besides, that's not my final word. I am still researching the matter. That's a partial submission for some second thoughts on the matter. Jesus was a Rabbi and here are the proofs: Matthew 23:7, John 1:38; 3:2. In many other instances, he was addressed as Master, which means the same. The point is that a Rabbi in Israel just like senior Pastors among Protestants had to be a married man or about to get married. Otherwise, he would not be ordained as such.

According to Judaism, after the proper preparation whatever it was at that time, probably, Mary's parents had passed away, because she used to live with her sister Martha and brother Lazarus. I mean, they lived with Mary, who was the one well-to-do. Martha would pay her room-and-board as a sort of maiden servant and Lazarus... well, I think he was a loafer-boy taking advantage of his rich sister. He was probably a sick man anyway, considering that he died twice.

Okay, but back to the wedding, Jesus' mother Mary had to do the host job; and she did it quite well by giving orders around to the servants. And according to another custom, the bridegroom was in charge to provide the wine, which mind you, Jesus made it sure to be of the best quality. The student would undergo the ceremonial "Mikveh" or immersion in waters and, if not married yet, to take care of that before ordination.

So, after Jesus' immersion in the Jordan River, officiated by John the Baptist aka Yonathan the Immerser, Jesus was seen in the next two days recruiting his disciples and leaving for Galilee. (John 1:29,35,43) And on the third day after his "Mikveh," The family and friends were celebrating his wedding in Cana with Mary Magdalene. Wait! Put down the stones! I'll explain.

According to a certain custom, usually the mother of the bride would be in charge of the celebrations, (John 2:10) I can assert for this custom because I was married in Israel and reminded of the custom, which I had happily to comply. The tale of the miracle was interpolated much later to deviate the probing attention of those who have a mind of their own from finding out what was really going on in Cana.

After Jesus' wedding, you can check for yourselves, all Jesus' come-and-goes were from and to Bethany, the home of Mary Magdalene. It must have been a very spacious and beautiful home, since Mary had the means to maintain it. Mind you that Mary would also take the tab for the expenses of Jesus' group of Twelve Apostles, along with some other women of course, who would tip it in from time to time.

Whenever Jesus would return from his missionary campaigns throughout Israel, the address was Bethany. To his wife obviously, although most the time, Mary Magdalene would follow Jesus as his beloved disciple, but never at the level of the Twelve. The Church later interpolated John as the beloved disciple for the same reason to get the mind of the readers away from the thought that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene. But it's not helping because the evidences are just too shouting.

Do we have any hint to pick up as evidence for any romantic approach prior or after their wedding? Yes, we do. After Jesus exorcized "seven demons" from Mary, she must have fallen in love with him. (Luke 8:1-3) And the expression "seven demons" means the struggle that Jesus had to go through to rescue Mary from her not so reputable business in Magdala, which granted her a title she could never get rid of.

Then, in Bethany - where else? - when Mary was smearing Jesus' body with that expensive perfume, we all know, although we forbid ourselves to think about it, Mary did not just throw that perfume at him from afar. No way! She did smear him all over even in terms of massage; so much so that some of the guests thought it ridiculous and criticized the act done so, publicly. (Mat. 26:10-13)

Then, while everyone else would address Jesus as Rabbi, Mary would call him "Rabboni," a colloquial term used as an expression of love, especially by a Rabbi's wife. It also means Master of my sufferings, as Rachel named her son Benoni before she died from child birth. (Gen. 35:18)

Later, when Mary went to the tomb area after Jesus' crucifixion, and saw the empty tomb, she never suffered more in her life. She wanted to take Jesus' body away with her. (John 20:15) Then, she was crying without consolation. At her travail, she saw a man standing by, whom she thought to be the Gardener.

"Why are you crying?" the man asked. Jesus knew why but he wanted to enjoy the answer from his beloved's lips. Alas! She did not identify him! It was too dark. But then Jesus tried her name just the way he used to call her. "Mary..." It's hard to say it in writing, but Mary melted down and said, "Rabboni!" He was indeed the master of her sufferings. This is an expression with such a profound meaning in Hebrew or Aramaic that Mary jumped to hug him but Jesus, probably all in bandages, forbade her to cause him any more unnecessary pains. He would meet her later at more propitious circumstances. (John 20:17)

Then, after some apparitions to the disciples, Jesus said goodbye and left his company. From then on, the names of these three peoples were never mentioned again: Jesus, Mary and Joseph of Arimathea. Jesus yes, but only in connection with his teachings by the Nazarenes, a Jewish sect organized by the Apostles on Jesus
behalf. Joseph had to go along because, if he had stayed, he could be crucified for having cheated on Pilate regarding Jesus who was not dead when he took him off the cross.

Today, there are three speculations about their whereabouts. The first is that they settled down incognito in Talpiot, a small town to the South and not too far from Jerusalem, where some people have claimed to have found out the graves of Yeshua, Miriam and Yoseph. I went there personally but just to be told that the area could not be explored by orders of the local Meier for being under an Apartment building.

The second speculation is that they left Israel and went to live in Cashmere, India, where a Russian Archaeologist is claimed to have found the graves of Yeshua, Miriam and Yosef with the shield of David.

And the third speculation is the one of the Da-Vinci Code that the three went to Europe and settled down in the Southern part of France in a small village. And that Mary gave birth to a daughter, who eventually got married within the Merovingian nobility.

Whatever happened after Jesus said goodbye to his disciples, I don't endorse anything that has been speculated. My point is only to verify the truth about Jesus' marriage to Mary Magdalene. If that's true without the shadow of a doubt, we have only to be joyful that Jesus fulfilled also the commandment to get married and father children. (Genesis 2:24) Besides, a married man only adds to his honor for being so. Why deny Jesus the pleasure of being a man by completing himself by experiencing the love of a woman?

Okay, now you can throw the stones. Nu! Halo! Where is everybody? Halooo! Well, I think they all left. They must have realized thta they all have feelings too.

What a waste of time. Not one verse that shows Jesus was married.

It is amusing you try to use something you don't believe in to try and make your point.
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Ben, you make way too many assumptions for which you have no evidence. To put it simply, you're just wrong.

In that case, are you implying that's okay to think of Jesus as either a liar or a gay? He said in Mat. 5:17-19 that he had come to fulfill the Law down to the letter, even to dot of the letter. To get married was the first commandment given to a healthy man if you read Genesis 2:24. "Hence a man must leave his father and mother and cling to his wife so that both become of one flesh."
 

omega2xx

Well-Known Member
In that case, are you implying that's okay to think of Jesus as either a liar or a gay? He said in Mat. 5:17-19 that he had come to fulfill the Law down to the letter, even to dot of the letter. To get married was the first commandment given to a healthy man if you read Genesis 2:24. "Hence a man must leave his father and mother and cling to his wife so that both become of one flesh."

You don't even know how to read your own Scriptures. Gen 2:24 is not a commandment, it is a statement of fact if one gets married. The statement is not MUST, it is IF.
 

RabbiO

הרב יונה בן זכריה
Have you ever read the NT? Probably not! That's why every thing above is wrong for you.
You've been submitting the same post to different forums for years. The earliest post I know of, back from when you were using the Ben Masada moniker, goes back to 2008!

All these years you've been presenting this stuff as your preliminary thoughts that will be amplified upon further research. That act is getting a little old.

Here's a thought. Maybe you need to step away from these forums for awhile. Go off and finally do whatever research you believe is necessary and then come back and present it.

By the time you do that we may all need a good laugh.
 
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Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
What a waste of time. Not one verse that shows Jesus was married. It is amusing you try to use something you don't believe in to try and make your point.

Is there at least one verse in the NT asserting that Jesus was NOT married? For a Jewish man to be married was a mitzvah, therefore the regular way to live. To be still single at his age of over 30 and hanging around with 12 young men was an abnormality for a man in the First Century. Isn't much healthier to think that Mary Magdalene was Jesus' beloved disciple? God have mercy on fanatic Christians!
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
You don't even know how to read your own Scriptures. Gen 2:24 is not a commandment, it is a statement of fact if one gets married. The statement is not MUST, it is IF.

You are absolutely wrong to interpret that text that way. The text is remind of the commandment to grow and multiply as in Genesis 1:28 which says "Be fertile and increase, fill the earth and master it..." How would he suppose to fulfill that command, with a she-dog or a woman? Of course a woman! Jesus said he had come to fulfill the Law even down to the dot of the letter. That to get married and father children was a commandment for a healthy man. So, if Jesus was not a married man, he was either a liar or a gay man. Either way, I am sure you would prefer that he was Married. Am I right or wrong?
 
In that case, are you implying that's okay to think of Jesus as either a liar or a gay? He said in Mat. 5:17-19 that he had come to fulfill the Law down to the letter, even to dot of the letter. To get married was the first commandment given to a healthy man if you read Genesis 2:24. "Hence a man must leave his father and mother and cling to his wife so that both become of one flesh."

Ben, you neglect many other verses that refer to Jesus as the Messiah that make it clear that the Messiah will have no issue.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
That's wrong.

Unless you can procure some evidence outside "the NT said so".
.

Just a question for my personal illumination. Wasn't Jesus from "...the house of Levi"; and wouldn't his teaching in the synagogue elevate him the Rabbi level?
 

Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
Ben, you neglect many other verses that refer to Jesus as the Messiah that make it clear that the Messiah will have no issue.

According to whom, you or the NT? Jesus was a Jew and, it is unethical for someone from a strange religion to pick up an individual Jew and make of him the Messiah. An individual cannot be the Messiah. The individual is born, lives his span of life and dies. Are we supposed to expect a new Messiah in every generation? Obviously not! The Messiah is not supposed to die but to remain as a People before the Lord forever. (Jeremiah 31:35-37) Furthermore, if you read Habakkuk 3:13, "The Lord goes forth to save His People; to save His Anointed One." That's what Messiah is, the Anointed One of the Lord aka Israel the Son of God if you read Exodus 4:22,23.
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
Just a question for my personal illumination. Wasn't Jesus from "...the house of Levi"; and wouldn't his teaching in the synagogue elevate him the Rabbi level?
In the Mishnaic time period (the time period in which Jesus is alleged to have lived) the title of Rabbi was only given to someone who exhibits mastery in certain Laws. Once he establishes his proficiency, three rabbis already ordained with the title "Rabbi" would convene to ordain him officially as "Rabbi". This is called semicha and during that time period and the following period of the Talmud, only those who had been ordained with this semicha would be called "Rabbi". Being a Levite or even giving a sermon in the synagogue doesn't effect this whatsoever.

So for instance,there are rabbis quoted in the Mishna without the actual title of "Rabbi" added to their names, because they never received that ordination (even if they do actually have proficiency in the Laws). Sometimes the title will be missing in one statement by a rabbi, but present in a statement somewhere else because in between making the two statements he received semicha.

Because semicha is only given in the Israel, later on when Babylon became a major Torah center, the rabbis adopted a secondary title "Rab" because unless they happened to visit Israel and get it there, they weren't officially "Rabbis". So many, many rabbis in the Babylonian Talmud have the title Rab instead of Rabbi.

These days we no longer have real semicha, so technically there are no rabbis, just scholars who we call rabbi in recognition of their proficiency in Jewish Law. If someone demonstrates proficiency in the requisite Laws to another rabbi with that proficiency, they can receive a "unofficial" semicha that grants them the title Rabbi, but doesn't give them the ability to deliberate in the parts of Jewish Law that real semicha allows for. But the title is used very loosely today and there are plenty of Rabbis who don't even have this unofficial semicha.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Welcome to the club! I have had two of them...you know...weddings!
Pregnant? Who.... me? :D
I was widowered and married again ....... I've got a wife to die for. I never deserved luck like she has brought to me.
There is a midrash that Jesus was educated by the Essenes.
I reckon that he was trained as a handworker in stone, wood, bone and doing jobs along the Capernaum shoreline for (mainly) boatmen.
Of course, Joseph and Mary could not have taken care of his education.
Joseph could have taught him. I reckon that Joseph was one of Antipas's workers at Sepphoris/Zippori .... Those little hilltop communities like Nazareth, the two Canas, etc, supported quite a lot of itinerant handworkers, hauliers and labourers..... the tented folks?

Jesus' 40 days in the desert was according to the first three gospels. John had never heard of a time in the wastelands in the life of Jesus. I think the gospel of John was right as that was concerned.
Nah...... John jumbled a load of anecdotes together, chucked them along a dodgy timeline, discarded tales he thought beneath his 'Lord' and made up a load of bollar.... bolbi.... nonsense to fill the gaps.
I reckon that Jesus joined with the Immerser and stayed with him until Antipas's troops came for them all. Then he fled into the wastes and stayed there until he could get back to Galilee. It 'kind of' clicks into place, somehow. :D
The Pope who said that Mary Magdalene was a proper lady, I am not aware of. Pope Gregory VII said that she was a prostitute in the city of Magdala in the Northeastern side of the Sea of Galilee.
Gregory was a pra.... pros.... idiot, imo.
Yep, one of thenm Popes apoogised about slandering her. Really!

John the Baptist deserved much more recognition, but of course them Christians back then couldn't afford the twoof. Folks who tell the twoof is stoopid! :D
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
In the Mishnaic time period (the time period in which Jesus is alleged to have lived) the title of Rabbi was only given to someone who exhibits mastery in certain Laws. Once he establishes his proficiency, three rabbis already ordained with the title "Rabbi" would convene to ordain him officially as "Rabbi". This is called semicha and during that time period and the following period of the Talmud, only those who had been ordained with this semicha would be called "Rabbi". Being a Levite or even giving a sermon in the synagogue doesn't effect this whatsoever.

So for instance,there are rabbis quoted in the Mishna without the actual title of "Rabbi" added to their names, because they never received that ordination (even if they do actually have proficiency in the Laws). Sometimes the title will be missing in one statement by a rabbi, but present in a statement somewhere else because in between making the two statements he received semicha.

Because semicha is only given in the Israel, later on when Babylon became a major Torah center, the rabbis adopted a secondary title "Rab" because unless they happened to visit Israel and get it there, they weren't officially "Rabbis". So many, many rabbis in the Babylonian Talmud have the title Rab instead of Rabbi.

These days we no longer have real semicha, so technically there are no rabbis, just scholars who we call rabbi in recognition of their proficiency in Jewish Law. If someone demonstrates proficiency in the requisite Laws to another rabbi with that proficiency, they can receive a "unofficial" semicha that grants them the title Rabbi, but doesn't give them the ability to deliberate in the parts of Jewish Law that real semicha allows for. But the title is used very loosely today and there are plenty of Rabbis who don't even have this unofficial semicha.

Brilliant info...!
I copied the lot and will pop it into my Judaism file.

The only way that we students of Historic Jesus can gain a better idea of what life was like for the Jewish peasant 'classes' is by gathering these snatches of info.

Question:- Do you have any idea about how many synagogues might have been scattered through GALILEE during thye early first century?

Question:- Were Rabs, Rabbis and other teachers itinerant/wandering/visiting folks, or 'stationed'?

Question:- I get the impression that Samaritans worshipped exactly the same prophets, practised all the laws of the OT save for their sanctuary being separate, and had.... Rabs and Rabbis???? Is this close to correct?

I'll stop there or I will just go on...... and on.....
 

Tumah

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Question:- Do you have any idea about how many synagogues might have been scattered through GALILEE during thye early first century?
I have no idea.

Question:- Were Rabs, Rabbis and other teachers itinerant/wandering/visiting folks, or 'stationed'?
I think everybody did their own thing. When the Romans outlawed Torah study, Rabbi Akiva went out to the markets squares to teach it. Others were heard of study-halls and probably remained with them. A later Rabbi used to go around teaching Torah and Mishnah to young orphans.

Question:- I get the impression that Samaritans worshipped exactly the same prophets, practised all the laws of the OT save for their sanctuary being separate, and had.... Rabs and Rabbis???? Is this close to correct?
I don't know very much about the Samaritans. They're not considered Jewish by Jewish Law.
 
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