Oh ,come on Tom, we want to know what you think. At least I do.
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Drunk,pork,homosexual what Bible tells ?
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No scripture to justify Homosexuality. That is forbidden in Old and New testament. To justify that a person has to go outside of scripture.
Christianity is a very diverse religion. To say most is very unfair. I would never say "most Muslims" believe this or that as I am still learning of your religion. I say this respectfully my friend. I do not drink alchohol myself but scripture only forbids drunkenness EPH.5:18" And do not get drunk with wine, which is excess, but be filled with the Spirit." Homosexuality is forbidden in Old and New testament, but since we are talking about Christians I will use the New Testament book of Romans chapter 1:24-27 "
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. KJV
. As far as pork? Being neither Muslim or Jew this is not of issue with us. Jesus didn't speak of it and in the book of 1 Timothy 4:1-5 it says:
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer<." KJV
Hope this was of help.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. KJV
. As far as pork? Being neither Muslim or Jew this is not of issue with us. Jesus didn't speak of it and in the book of 1 Timothy 4:1-5 it says:
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer<." KJV
Hope this was of help.
Oh ,come on Tom, we want to know what you think. At least I do.
Well, I always was the kid who "runs with scissors"
I see the most basic problem here as Christians deciding that they are a new religion. They are not Jews. But then they canonized a big chunk of Jewish scripture.
"Canon" is the stuff that is magically true because God Himself inspired it.
But the two parts of the Christian Bible contradict each other rather commonly. So two people can hold diametrically opposed beliefs and confidently say, "God said so." And they are both right, if you believe that the Bible is the Word of God.
I believe this fundamental dichotomy is why Christianity lost it's grip on moral authority in Christendom, so we now have a secular moral code. Christians like to refer to that when it suits them. When it doesn't they pick the Bible verse that does. And there are many to choose from.
Tom
Thank you Tom..Now doesn't that feel better?Well, I always was the kid who "runs with scissors"
I see the most basic problem here as Christians deciding that they are a new religion. They are not Jews. But then they canonized a big chunk of Jewish scripture.
"Canon" is the stuff that is magically true because God Himself inspired it.
But the two parts of the Christian Bible contradict each other rather commonly. So two people can hold diametrically opposed beliefs and confidently say, "God said so." And they are both right, if you believe that the Bible is the Word of God.
I believe this fundamental dichotomy is why Christianity lost it's grip on moral authority in Christendom, so we now have a secular moral code. Christians like to refer to that when it suits them. When it doesn't they pick the Bible verse that does. And there are many to choose from.
Tom
There's debate over what those 6 verses that seem to reference homosexuality actually mean.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibl.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibl.htm
leibowde84
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You can read!!! Congrats. But, I think the argument is that all of that stuff is unreliable.
Well, I always was the kid who "runs with scissors"
I see the most basic problem here as Christians deciding that they are a new religion. They are not Jews. But then they canonized a big chunk of Jewish scripture.
"Canon" is the stuff that is magically true because God Himself inspired it.
But the two parts of the Christian Bible contradict each other rather commonly. So two people can hold diametrically opposed beliefs and confidently say, "God said so." And they are both right, if you believe that the Bible is the Word of God.
I believe this fundamental dichotomy is why Christianity lost it's grip on moral authority in Christendom, so we now have a secular moral code. Christians like to refer to that when it suits them. When it doesn't they pick the Bible verse that does. And there are many to choose from.
Tom
The BIG chunk of the old Hebrew Scriptures is leading or pointing to -> Messiah ( anointed one ) coming - Daniel 9:25-26
Unlike other religious books, the Bible has corresponding or parallel cross-reference verses and passages harmonizing with each other.
Jesus as Messiah based his harmonious beliefs on the Hebrew Scriptures by often quoting or referring to them when Jesus said, " It is written.... " meaning already written down in the old Hebrew part. - Luke chapter 4
So, all 66 books of the Bible are religious truth because they support Bible canon being based on the ancient manuscripts.
That is why the apocryphal books exclude themselves being out of harmony with the ' 66 '.
What one example do you have in mind about being a contradiction ?
Christendom ( so-called Christian in name only ) already ' lost its grip ' when the first century ended - Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30
Both the genuine ' wheat ' Christians would grow together with the fake ' weed/tares ' Christians until the harvest time, or the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on earth - Matthew 25:31-32 - when Jesus, as Shepherd, will judge people as to who will have a favorable judgment. The ' sheep ' can remain alive on earth, and continue living on earth, right into the start of Jesus' coming 1,000 year governmental rulership over earth when Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill.
I have read the Bible. That is a very small part.
And the description given for the Messiah doesn't match the NT description of Jesus, even after all the implausible editing done.
Tom
Counting the 70 weeks of years - Daniel 9:24; Nehemiah 2:1,5,7,8 - brings us to the first century.
Those first-century people were in ' expectation ' ( expecting ) Messiah to appear at their time frame - Luke 3:15
At Jesus' soon coming ' glory time ' Matthew 25:31-32; Matthew 16:27 - Jesus will take messianic action.
Jesus, as Messiah, will take the action of Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:11; Revelation 19:14-15 to rid the earth of wickedness.
Well, that is not true.
According to the Gospel they were expecting Jesus to return while some of them were still living.
Tom
Where in the gospel Tom ?
YOU AR CORRECT
Isn't Luke 9:27-36 in connection to the same Transfiguration Vision of Matthew 17:9 ?_______
A ' vision ' is Not a real happening. What they saw was a preview or coming attraction.
That particular vision was in connection to Matthew 16:27 and Matthew 25:31
We are nearing the coming threshold ' time of separation ' on earth, when Jesus will come in glory with his angels - Revelation 19:14 - Not sooner.
Like King David - Acts of the Apostles 2:34 - Moses and Elijah are still asleep in the grave until Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over earth for a thousand years when they will be resurrected back to healthy physical life on earth - Acts of the Apostles 24:15
No.
9:27 is the last sentence in one story. The next sentence is the beginning of another.
Tom
Possibly.
But neither the Bible nor it's followers have shown any impressive feats of prophecy.
Google George Camping, or Henry, or Bill or whatever the guys name is that got famous for telling us what the Bible has to say about the end times.
Tom
Thank you Tom for noticing. Should have been Luke 9:23-27. Verse 27 corresponds to Matthew 16:28 before Matthew starts with the ' transfiguration vision ' of chapter 17. - Matthew 17:9
Luke 9:28-36 corresponds to Matthew 17:1-9
Would you consider an ' impressive feat of prophecy ' what Jesus said at Matthew 24:14 and Acts of the apostles 1:8 ?_______
We are nearing that ' final phase ', so to speak, in completing that international spreading of the good news message.
Modern technology has made possible rapid Bible translation so people all over the earth can read Scripture in their own mother tongue or native language.
There is also the coming ' final signal ', so to speak, of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when ' they ' (powers that be ) will be saying ' Peace and Security' or ' Peace and Safety ' as the precursor for the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14
We know the ' season ' is right , but the day and hour No one knows. - Matthew 24:32; Matthew 24:36