PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
As I mentioned either here or in another thread, the medieval world fully acknowledged that the world was round, since it had been known since the ancient Greeks.
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Nonbelievers to Hell!
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AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
And the fears that Columbus would sail off the end of the earth originated where?
Your agument also is invalid for one simple reason.
The OT and NT were written at a time when a round earth was NOT widely accepted.
Columbus (and his sponsors) obviously did not have those fears to enough a degree to give up on his navigations, so I guess it was basically superstition from those who did not know much about navigation - and had no access to greek and nordic knowledge that pointed towards a round earth.
Maybe Columbus did not have that info either, mind you. I really don't know.
Then again, it was also a far more elitist time. Who know who exactly might have learned of the idea of a round earth?
AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
Look, no where do I state that it was an unknown concept, the round earth. I am quite well aware of individuals who sought to prove this at-the-time hypothesis.
However...
1. Attempting to state that using the flat world belief isn't credible as a comparison for the argumentum ad numerium fallacy is simply inaccurate.
2. The idea of round earth as widely accepted fact came relatively late in human development.
Can you post the Book, Chapter, and Verse from the Bible that says the earth is flat; all the times I have read the books of the Bible, I have never run across that verse.
Daniel 4:10-11 ...saw a tree of great height at the center of the earth, reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds.
How can someone on the far side of the earth see even the tallest tree or mountain unless the earth is flat?
Matthew 4:8 Once again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in their glory.
Again, how can someone see all the kingdoms of the world no matter how tall a mountain is?
I would think that is reaching.
AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
Be glad to.
Daniel 4:10-11
Matthew 4:8
Revelation 1:7
Just a few quickies from my notes.
AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
How so?
A globe shaped earth woudl absolutely deny anyone from being abe to see the whole world from a mountain or tree.
From such a vantage point, hwoever, the earth WOULD appear to be disk shapped, which is also noted in the bible, and quran as well.
I still think you are reaching. And I thought only Christians took verses and interpreted the way the wanted them to be.
Well, considering the Bible is full of all kinds of other errors like suggesting that bats are birds I just wouldn't be all that surprised that the talk of "seeing all the cities" from a tall mountain and having "four corners" were referring to a flat, disc-shaped earth.
As far as I know, there was a Jewish word for "sphere" that could have been used instead of the word "circle" that was used in one verse to describe the earth.
Either way the Bible isn't important to me; just another collection of bronze age myths. If I want to read entertaining mythology I'll pick up J.R.R. Tolkien's/Christopher Tolkien's Silmarillion.
The Bible is full of symbolism and metaphors, we all know that. If you don't believe in it, then you don't believe in it.
And on top of that it doesn't actually come out and say "the world is flat". Some books in the Bible are pretty good reading, even if you don't believe in it as a holy book. But everyone has different tastes.
AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
My dear, you msotly come across as quite the reasonable Christian poster.
However, how else are you goig to explain being able to see "all Nations of the earth" or "the entirety of Creation" from a mountaintop, let alone a tree, unless the world was flat?
No matter how far away from a basketball you step, for example, you simply cannot see all of it.
waitasec
Veteran Member
i don't know where you get your ideas thief...
1 timothy 2:4 who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5For there is ONE GOD AND ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MEN, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself as a ransom for all menthe testimony given in its proper time.
who are you to "... speak on their behalf...favorably."?
besides, if god is love then;
1 cor 13:4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
god doesn't keep any record of any wrong doing...
so...
we are ALL gonna party forever up in them clouds
AxisMundi
E Pluribus Unum!!!
The Bible is full of symbolism and metaphors, we all know that. If you don't believe in it, then you don't believe in it.
Some books in the Bible are pretty good reading, even if you don't believe in it as a holy book. But everyone has different tastes.
It doesn't come out and claim a geocentric universe either, but it does make that claim.
And there is an inherent danger to many Christians if one carries allagory to far into scripture. It simply removes any ultimate authority for the religion and the god, not to mention the clergy and the theocrats.
ellenjanuary
Well-Known Member
Religious nonsense got you down? Rants of the righteous wrongheaded wrong in your head? Simple science to rescue!
Step one: are you self?
Step two: repeat these easy to follow directions: I am going to hell.
Step three: evaluation. "I am:" the Name of the God of Abraham - "going to hell" - a logical fallacy.
Conclusion: Hell is only a place for "other people," but supposedly, "I am" drowned all those fools back in the day.
Special! Today Only! Still not satisfied? Gwyneth Paltrow is god, and I shall burn in all your hells for you... for all your eternities. Whether or not Gwynnie approves.
There is a difference between "knowing gospel" and "preaching gospel." Usually, if you can't get a laugh out of the deal, someone's preaching.
Step one: are you self?
Step two: repeat these easy to follow directions: I am going to hell.
Step three: evaluation. "I am:" the Name of the God of Abraham - "going to hell" - a logical fallacy.
Conclusion: Hell is only a place for "other people," but supposedly, "I am" drowned all those fools back in the day.
Special! Today Only! Still not satisfied? Gwyneth Paltrow is god, and I shall burn in all your hells for you... for all your eternities. Whether or not Gwynnie approves.
There is a difference between "knowing gospel" and "preaching gospel." Usually, if you can't get a laugh out of the deal, someone's preaching.
Mr. Hair
Renegade Cavalcade
Sorry to jump in so late, but how do you seperate the two?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Was it not the apostle Paul that wrote Corinthians?
Disciple of Paul.....are you?
And is Paul mediating for you?
I suppose no one will speak on your behalf.
Got a free pass to heaven?
Or maybe you don't believe?
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
You obviously have misinterpreted the Biblical message according to a very simplified construct.