What made you think that you don't have free-will ?

[chinu]

In the begining you was one with God. Aparted from God and did the very first mistake.
Now - you have free-will to shout/yell.
Now - you have the free-will to undo mistakes.
Now - you have free-will for anything you want.

Dear, what made you think that you don't have free-will ?

 

[Stevicus]

In the begining you was one with God. Aparted and did the very first mistake.
Now - you have free-will to shout/yell when you get any kind of punishment for what to did some wrong/mistake in the past.

Dear, what made you think that you don't have free-will ?

I think "free will" could be a misnomer. The idea being that people do things because they want to, even if it's wrong or a mistake, even if it might entail some negative consequence or punishment. The concept implies some sort of operational control over one's physical brain, as human "will" is ostensibly formulated from that organ.

 

[chinu]

The concept implies some sort of operational control over one's physical brain, as human "will" is ostensibly formulated from that organ.

How ? example ?

 

[Stevicus]

How ? example ?

Well, what else could it be? If we're talking about an individual human's will, then we're referring to a thought process which takes place in the human brain.

 

[chinu]

Well, what else could it be? If we're talking about an individual human's will, then we're referring to a thought process which takes place in the human brain.

Thoughts can be stopped by the way of a certain meditation-pratice.

 

[Quintessence]

Because the past is fixed and determined; what happened... happened. The present is derived from what which is fixed and determined, meaning it too must be fixed and determined. The only reason it doesn't seem that way to humans is because humans are neither omniscient nor omnipresent. Their tiny brains cannot understand the vastness of the legacy of the ancestors/past to understand how it authors all that occurs.

 

[chinu]

Because the past is fixed and determined; what happened... happened. The present is derived from what which is fixed and determined, meaning it too must be fixed and determined. The only reason it doesn't seem that way to humans is because humans are neither omniscient nor omnipresent. Their tiny brains cannot understand the vastness of the legacy of the ancestors/past to understand how it authors all that occurs.

Present is present.
Present is something which is still/holded-on
Present has no relation with past/future. Stop your thoughts you will experience the true-present.

 

[Quintessence]

Present is present.
Present is something which is still/holded-on
Present has no relation with past/future. Stop your thoughts you will experience the true-present.

I don't agree - there is a very strong relationship between past, present, and future. If there wasn't, the melting waters of Winter would not feed the plants in Spring, and the plants in Spring would not bear the fruits of Autumn.

 

[Stevicus]

Thoughts can be stopped by the way of a certain meditation-pratice.

I can see that, although I was also thinking of some of the more mundane things, such as forgetting things. If I forget or misremember something, it's not necessarily a function of the will, but more a malfunction in the brain which might affect or influence one's choices.

 

[chinu]

I can see that, although I was also thinking of some of the more mundane things, such as forgetting things. If I forget or misremember something, it's not necessarily a function of the will, but more a malfunction in the brain which might affect or influence one's choices.

By your reply it sounds that you DO NOT WILL to meditate because you are afraid that this WILL affect, or influence your choice.

Of course this WILL affect and influence your choices.

BUT

Dear, You have a different WILL. Come to me when you are ready with your WILL to meditate

 

[chinu]

I don't agree - there is a very strong relationship between past, present, and future. If there wasn't, the melting waters of Winter would not feed the plants in Spring, and the plants in Spring would not bear the fruits of Autumn.

Again, this is very big misconception about present.

True present doesn’t involve any movement.

Moving is keep on moving towards future. It is NOT present.

 

[Stevicus]

By your reply it sounds that you DO NOT WILL to meditate because you are afraid that this WILL affect, or influence your choice.

Of course this WILL affect and influence your choices.

BUT

Dear, You have a different WILL. Come to me when you are ready with your WILL to mediate

No, it was not about meditation - or mediation either.

See? You wrote "mediate" instead of "meditate" in the last sentence. An innocent typo, but it happens. Is that because you don't meditate enough?

 

[Quintessence]

Again, this is very big misconception about present.

True present doesn’t involve any movement.

Moving is keep on moving towards future. It is NOT present.

A difference of opinion and experience is not a "misconception."

 

[chinu]

A difference of opinion and experience is not a "misconception."

Something that happened in the passed yoctosecond is — PAST
Something that is going to happen in the coming yoctosecond is — FUTURE

Is there any yoctosecond in between?

 

[chinu]

No, it was not about meditation - or mediation either.

Yes, it’s not about meditation - or mediation either.

Please re-read the reply am focused on your “WILL”

 

[LuisDantas]

Dear, what made you think that you don't have free-will ?

It just doesn't look like something that actually exists.

 

[Trailblazer]

Now - you have free-will for anything you want.

I believe that humans have free will, but we cannot choose to do anything we want to do, since free will has many constraints.
Here is my view on free will:

I believe our choices are determined by our heredity and previous experiences, but that does not mean we do not make choices. Free will is simply the will/ability to make choices based upon our desires and preferences, which come from a combination of factors such as childhood upbringing, heredity, education, adult experiences, and present life circumstances. All of these are the reasons why we choose one thing or another.

How free our choices vary with the situation. Certainly, what we refer to as “free will” has many constraints such as ability and opportunity but we have volition as otherwise we could not do anything.

The fact that God is all-knowing, so God knows everything we are going to choose to do, has absolutely no bearing upon what we choose to do. Whatever choices we make will = the choice that God knew we would make because God knows what choices we will make, but God's knowledge does not limit our choices in any manner shape or form. That belief is completely illogical.

For example:
If we choose to wear a blue shirt this morning, God would have known we would choose to wear a blue shirt.
If we choose to wear a red shirt this morning, God would have known we would choose to wear a red shirt.
If we choose to wear a green shirt this morning, God would have known we would choose to wear a green shirt.

The fact that God knew which color of shirt we would choose had no bearing on our choice. We freely chose to wear the color we desired.

 

[Madsaac]

Our brain has been programmed to respond/choose things in a certain way.

Just like a cat, it doesn't really choose anything, its brain has been programmed to operate in a certain way to survive.

Human are the same but on a different level.

 

[Madsaac]

I believe that humans have free will, but we cannot choose to do anything we want to do, since free will has many constraints.
Here is my view on free will:

I believe our choices are determined by our heredity and previous experiences, but that does not mean we do not make choices. Free will is simply the will/ability to make choices based upon our desires and preferences, which come from a combination of factors such as childhood upbringing, heredity, education, adult experiences, and present life circumstances. All of these are the reasons why we choose one thing or another.

How free our choices vary with the situation. Certainly, what we refer to as “free will” has many constraints such as ability and opportunity but we have volition as otherwise we could not do anything.

The fact that God is all-knowing, so God knows everything we are going to choose to do, has absolutely no bearing upon what we choose to do. Whatever choices we make will = the choice that God knew we would make because God knows what choices we will make, but God's knowledge does not limit our choices in any manner shape or form. That belief is completely illogical.

For example:
If we choose to wear a blue shirt this morning, God would have known we would choose to wear a blue shirt.
If we choose to wear a red shirt this morning, God would have known we would choose to wear a red shirt.
If we choose to wear a green shirt this morning, God would have known we would choose to wear a green shirt.

The fact that God knew which color of shirt we would choose had no bearing on our choice. We freely chose to wear the color we desired.

Why would god want to know what colour shirt you are going to wear? It just doesn't make any sense.

 

[Koldo]

In the begining you was one with God. Aparted from God and did the very first mistake.
Now - you have free-will to shout/yell.
Now - you have the free-will to undo mistakes.
Now - you have free-will for anything you want.

Dear, what made you think that you don't have free-will ?

Because I bothered to study the work of philosophers that elaborated on the meaning of free will, rather than sticking to my previous layman understanding of the term.