What does God want from you?

[CG Didymus]

Thats the question that you should have asked, rather than assuming a position for me. Thanks for adjusting. The subbordinate clause should have been whacked off the end. Suppose the answer was yes, but not because of the reason you implied?

What you should have asked is simply, Do you think that God also bears some responsibility for all the goodness in this world?
To which my answer is, Under the hypthetical of an omni-god, yes.

If their God made this world to be a proving ground, a place where people are free to make a choice of doing good or bad, then this is how their God wanted things.

 

[Aupmanyav]

What are the faults of creation? If you mean humans, God created us all 'good' and then some people chose to be bad.

I don't 'expect' anything from God. We get what we get, and if we don't like it then we can choose to be atheists.

It is an engineering fault, allowing the creation to go bad. What would you say about a internet app which leaves holes for hackers? Poor engineering. And he said what he created was good. It was not.

No. You want everlasting life after your death. You believe that as a the truth because your 19th Century uneducated Iranian who claimed to the manifestation of Allah said so. It does not matter if he did not provide any evidence (by our estimation) and all evidence (by your estimation).

 

[Trailblazer]

It is an engineering fault, allowing the creation to go bad. What would you say about a internet app which leaves holes for hackers? Poor engineering. And he said what he created was good. It was not.

Humans were created good and they became bad because of their bad choices.
Humans are not machines that go bad. Humans are sentient beings who make choices and thereby go bad if they make the wrong choices.

No. You want everlasting life after your death. You believe that as a the truth because your 19th Century uneducated Iranian who claimed to the manifestation of Allah said so. It does not matter if he did not provide any evidence (by our estimation) and all evidence (by your estimation).

I do not necessarily want everlasting life. Sometimes I wish this life would end and that would be the end, but I don't believe that is the way it will be so I try to face reality. I would believe in an afterlife even if it had not been revealed by Baha'u'llah since there is other evidence. It also makes sense to me that there is an afterlife as otherwise this life would serve no purpose, and I could never make sense of all the suffering if it had no purpose.

 

[Aupmanyav]

It also makes sense to me that there is an afterlife as otherwise this life would serve no purpose, and I could never make sense of all the suffering if it had no purpose.

You believe in after-life because you have suffered in this life? You are searching for a meaning which may not be existing. "I suffered in this life, so there must be a next in which I would not face any suffering". That is wishful thinking.

And that is what the scammers offer. Power, money and whatever one may desire.

 

[Trailblazer]

You believe in after-life because you have suffered in this life? You are searching for a meaning which may not be existing. "I suffered in this life, so there must be a next in which I would not face any suffering". That is wishful thinking.

And that is what the scammers offer. Power, money and whatever one may desire.

I did not say that I believe in an afterlife because I have suffered in this life. I am not the only person who has suffered in this life.
I could never make sense of all the suffering that everyone endures in this life if the suffering served no purpose.
Everyone suffers in this life to varying degrees, so it would not be just for there to be no afterlife where there would be no more suffering.

 

[CG Didymus]

It is an engineering fault, allowing the creation to go bad. What would you say about a internet app which leaves holes for hackers? Poor engineering. And he said what he created was good. It was not.

No. You want everlasting life after your death. You believe that as a the truth because your 19th Century uneducated Iranian who claimed to the manifestation of Allah said so. It does not matter if he did not provide any evidence (by our estimation) and all evidence (by your estimation).

Baha'is believe that their God created them with a higher, spiritual nature, and a lower, animal nature, then he expects them to always chose the spiritual one? I don't think so. If this God could see into the future, it knew the bad choices that were going to be made, and that he was going to have to continually send his "special" creations, the manifestations, to try and get people to do right... usually by promising them a happy life in some spirit world after they die.

But this is only the Baha'i explanation of how things are. Every religion has a different explanation. Which is why I think there is evidence that the Baha'i concept of progressive revelation isn't true.

 

[Trailblazer]

But this is only the Baha'i explanation of how things are. Every religion has a different explanation. Which is why I think there is evidence that the Baha'i concept of progressive revelation isn't true.

Obviously you do not understand the Baha'i concept of progressive revelation.
Every religion has a different explanation because every religion is different since every religion was revealed at different times to different peoples.

Progressive revelation is a core teaching in the Bahá'í Faith that suggests that religious truth is revealed by God progressively and cyclically over time through a series of divine Messengers, and that the teachings are tailored to suit the needs of the time and place of their appearance.[1][2] Thus, the Bahá'í teachings recognize the divine origin of several world religions as different stages in the history of one religion, while believing that the revelation of Bahá'u'lláh is the most recent (though not the last—that there will never be a last), and therefore the most relevant to modern society.[1]

This teaching is an interaction of simpler teachings and their implications. The basic concept relates closely to Bahá'í views on God's essential unity, and the nature of prophets, termed Manifestations of God. It also ties into Bahá'í views of the purpose and nature of religion, laws, belief, culture and history. Hence revelation is seen as both progressive and continuous, and therefore never ceases.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_revelation_Baha'i

 

[CG Didymus]

Which is why I think there is evidence that the Baha'i concept of progressive revelation isn't true.

Is there any evidence that the Baha'i concept of "progressive" revelation isn't true? I think there is. One huge problem is how the Baha'is added in Krishna and Hinduism into the progression. Or... are there teachings from Baha'u'llah that says Krishna was a manifestation? Then... why not Rama and the many other avatars/incarnations of Vishnu? But Vishnu is only one of the Gods believed in by some Hindus. What do Baha'is believe about the other Gods? Do Baha'is believe in them, or do they reject them?

There are too many things that have to be rejected from Hinduism to get it to fit into the Baha'i progression of religions. I'm fine with it just being a lot of different beliefs about Gods and incarnations of Gods, or even of no Gods. Then the whole bunch of the different beliefs were called Hinduism.

 

[Trailblazer]

There are too many things that have to be rejected from Hinduism to get it to fit into the Baha'i progression of religions.

Why try to make those fit? These are teachings man, not teachings from God.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Jesus said His work was finished here and He was no more in the world......................................
There is nothing in the Bible that supports the belief that Jesus will be the King of God's kingdom government.
Jesus never claimed to be a King. He disclaimed it whan asked. and Jesus never said he was coming to rule.
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
These two verses in John 18 completely negate that Jesus is the King of this world or that Jesus will ever come to this world to rule it, and they fit perfectly together with John 17:4 and John 17:11. Jesus came into this world to bear witness unto the truth about God. He did that so there is no more reason for Jesus to come back to this world again. That is why Jesus said “I am no more in the world.”
And no, there are no verses in the Bible that say that Jesus is going to rule the Earth from Heaven.

Yes, Jesus physical or earthly work was finished to satisfaction thus opening up the way for 1st Corinthians 15:24-26 to come.
God's kingdom is Not part of earthly kingdom governments that is why Jesus turned down being a king at John 6:15.
' Thy kingdom come...... ' is praying for God's kingdom to come at Rev. 22:20
' God's will to be done on Earth as it is done in Heaven....' is that heavenly conditions come and exist on Earth as they exist in Heaven.
In Heaven there is No pollution, No crime, No war, No violence, No disease, etc. so we are praying for those conditions to come to Earth.
The meek who will inherit the Earth will Not be without God's kingdom rule over them.
Jesus does Not govern on Earth - John 14:19 - but will govern over Earth for a thousand years from Heaven - Rev. 20:6
God's kingdom government (Daniel 2:44-45) is Not an earthly government but a heavenly government over Earth.
Even in Eden it was God who governed over Adam although God did Not reside on Earth - 1st Kings 8:39,49

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If their God made this world to be a proving ground, a place where people are free to make a choice of doing good or bad, then this is how their God wanted things.

Earth was never meant to be a stepping stone to Heaven.
Adam and Eve were only offered everlasting life forever on Earth.
Humble meek people are to inherit the Earth - Matt. 5:5; Psalms 37:9-11; 22:26
Jesus only offered Heaven to people like the people found at Luke 22:28-30
They are the saints or holy ones mentioned at Daniel 7:18.
The majority of mankind can gain eternal life forever on Earth.
Jesus came so that we could discover or rediscover God's original purpose for Earth - Gen. 1:28 - be on Earth forever.

 

[The Hammer]

God creates the universe and God creates you. What does God want from you?

For me to be happy and healthy.

 

[Bird123]

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Yes, one must be Hungry - hungry student for mental spiritual food -aka Scripture.
Yes, one must be Honest - Not lying to oneself or others
Yes, one must be Humble - humble because it is the humble meek people who will inherit the Earth as promised at Matt. 5:5; Psalms 37:9-11; 22:26

Hungry for the knowledge and spiritual food from God not from holy books written by mankind. There is a big difference.

Not lying to oneself and others? Very good. How can one journey the right path not being honest and freely open?

I can not agree with Humble. Choosing is an important part of God's system. Choosing is far too important to allow others to make choices for us. Do some preach humble in order to rule others?? God wants well rounded kiddies and not kiddies reserved and afraid to speak. Interaction is a key part of God's system as well. What knowledge will be missing from those too humble to share that which is Special about themselves? The Earth has never ever been the Goal.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Whateverist]

OK. God creates the universe and God creates you. What does God want from you?

If you are an atheist, speculate. If God really exists and creates the universe and God creates you. What does God want from you?

Before you just give a quick answer, consider a Being capable of creating the universe and you has to be very very smart. Consider High Intellect with your answers. Make God's answer High Intellect.

Easy. God wants and needs my help. What I have to offer pales in comparison but it strangely is every bit as important. But God isn’t like a super powered person who makes plans and then Carrie’s them out. Nothing like that. If God is anything He is the deepest layer of the natural, that which brings order out of chaos. So Supra- not super- natural. It is in relation to what He is that we are. We are the instantiation of the divine and the hand mirror by which He knows himself. Of course we and He are always in process so what we reflect is more of a progress report than anything comprehensive.

So I’ve tried to play along with your premise but really “God” is a problematic term and one I don’t use. But let’s go with it as a metaphor.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I did not say that I believe in an afterlife because I have suffered in this life. I am not the only person who has suffered in this life.
I could never make sense of all the suffering that everyone endures in this life if the suffering served no purpose.
Everyone suffers in this life to varying degrees, so it would not be just for there to be no afterlife where there would be no more suffering.

The Bible book of Job makes sense of all the suffering.......
Sinner Satan Not only challenges the man Job ( Job 2:4-5 ) but challenges all of us.
Satan's purpose is ' touch our flesh....' ( Loose physical health ) and under suffering conditions we would turn away from God.
Both Job and Jesus under adverse conditions proved Satan a liar and so can we.

Instead of ' afterlife' ( being more alive after death than before death ) there is the Bible's Resurrection Hope - Acts 24:15
Coming Resurrection Day ( meaning Jesus' coming Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth for a thousand years )
This is when even enemy ' death ' will be No more on Earth - 1st Corinthians 15:24-26; Isaiah 25:8
From edenic paradise lost to edenic paradise regained.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Hungry for the knowledge and spiritual food from God not from holy books written by mankind. There is a big difference.
Not lying to oneself and others? Very good. How can one journey the right path not being honest and freely open?
I can not agree with Humble. Choosing is an important part of God's system. Choosing is far too important to allow others to make choices for us. Do some preach humble in order to rule others?? God wants well rounded kiddies and not kiddies reserved and afraid to speak. Interaction is a key part of God's system as well. What knowledge will be missing from those too humble to share that which is Special about themselves? The Earth has never ever been the Goal.

Earth's rulers are some that 'preach being humble', so to speak, so that they can rule over others without being accountable to God.
Moses was humble, Jesus was humble and they shared and Jesus said Earth is the Goal - Matt. 5:5 from Psalms 37:9-11; 22:26
A coming beautiful paradisical Earth as described in the 35th chapter of Isaiah for us.
Jesus, as king of God's kingdom, will be a just rule over others - Rev. 20:6; 1st Corinthians 15:24-26

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If their God made this world to be a proving ground, a place where people are free to make a choice of doing good or bad, then this is how their God wanted things.

But Not a proving ground to anywhere else.
Either inherit the Earth or forfeit one's life if being a law breaker.
Adam and Eve chose to break God's Law about the forbidden tree.
They forfeited their lives, but since we are innocent of what they did is why God sent pre-human heavenly Jesus to Earth for us.
Since we inherited imperfection from fallen father Adam we can't resurrect oneself or another, so we need someone who can resurrect us.
Sinless Jesus can and will resurrect us - Rev. 1:18

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes, Jesus physical or earthly work was finished to satisfaction thus opening up the way for 1st Corinthians 15:24-26 to come.

I agree. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is spiritual death.

God's kingdom is Not part of earthly kingdom governments that is why Jesus turned down being a king at John 6:15.
' Thy kingdom come...... ' is praying for God's kingdom to come at Rev. 22:20
' God's will to be done on Earth as it is done in Heaven....' is that heavenly conditions come and exist on Earth as they exist in Heaven.
In Heaven there is No pollution, No crime, No war, No violence, No disease, etc. so we are praying for those conditions to come to Earth.

I agree. Earth will be more like Heaven, but Earth will never be Heaven, since Earth is a material world and heaven is a spiritual world.
In this new age which has already begun, eventually there will be no more war. There will me less pollution, less crime, less violence, and less disease, but the conditions will never be perfect like Heaven is perfect.

The meek who will inherit the Earth will Not be without God's kingdom rule over them.

The meek who inherit the Earth are those who will be living in the new age which was ushered in when Christ returned, and future generations of living people who live on Earth.

 

[Bird123]

God is not literally sitting on a Throne. Sitting on a Throne is just symbolic for God's Sovereignty.
God is not Controlling anyone. God gave man free will to make his own choices.
God Ruling and Controlling is not what mankind values and wants. Mankind wants to do what they want to do.

It is true that God's attributes are reflected in His creation, that is a Baha'i belief, but you don't know God's actions and choices by looking at His creation.
God's actions are altered only by God. If man alters the holy books they are no longer holy.

What you see is according to your perception and the same applies to me. You see a Masterpiece because you believe the world is a Masterpiece. I see God's Masterpiece and the mess man has made out of the Masterpiece.

I get my knowledge 'about God' from the Holy Books because that is where it is. There is nothing Easy about it.

Learning and Discovering does not stop just because people read holy books and accept what is written in them. There is always more to be Discovered and that is Discovered by living life and learning through experiences, not by reading books.

No, everything we need to Know is not contained in books, be they holy books or any other books. We need to live and make choices in order to learn. That is the purpose of this earthly existence. I have learned quite a few hard lessons and I am sure more are on their way.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

When one understands God, God's system, and what God is really doing, the view changes. One can see clearly that holy books do not reflect God. So much that is said about God simply isn't true whether one chooses to believe or not.

God is at a Higher Level. God is above the petty things mankind holds so dear. Look at holy books. Do they incorporate petty things like: Blaming, Judging, Condemning, Hating, Ruling, Controlling, Anger, Wrath, Manipulation, Intimidating, Threatening, Coercing, WE against They, Punish, Revenge, Pay Back, and so many other things??? Are you really Flawed from birth? Don't you see that these petty things reflect those who do not understand these petty things will never ever bring the best results nor any Heavenly state for anyone.

This world IS a Masterpiece, including the people. In a multilevel classroom, one will see others learning lessons one has already learned. One says: I could never choose to do that. For those who must watch, it is a reminder of what the true answers really are.

Choose: Is this the time to say We against they? Is this the time to label others as evil? Is this the time to Blame, Anger, Payback, and Hate? Does that Solve the problems? Doesn't it just generate more bad things? What is being taught to the children watching? How many kids relish Payback?

This is the time to set the petty things aside and work at Fixing the problems. Is this world a mess? This world is the Fix. Every day people are Discovering the results of themselves choosing those petty things mankind holds so dear. When one Understands all sides, Intelligence will make the best choices. When one chooses not to incorporate those petty things mankind holds so dear, then works at Fixing the problems, the goodness and results will return. Sadly, so many have been taught to value those petty things that they are blind to even see what the real problems are.

How long did mankind watch birds fly before they figured out how? How long will mankind teach and choose those petty things before enough knowledge returns and they understand how to Fly?

Petty things are taught by Religion and society alike. The so called mess Is the Masterpiece!!! It leads to a Higher Level. There is no time limit on learning and growing. Step by step, choice, by choice, lesson by lesson all God's children will make it to a Higher Level, all within their own free choices. Yes, pretty Remarkable!!!

The Mess is High Intelligence!! Feel free to choose your own path and beliefs. Choosing is an important part of God's system. Real Learning and Growing never happens without one's free choice. I merely place the truth out there to be seen. Each must choose and walk their own path. I but merely point!!

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

For me to be happy and healthy.

So how are you doing? Have you learned how to have health and happiness return?