Palestinians shelve Islamic 'Mickey Mouse'

[Guitar's Cry]

However I have a bias already, and a mistrust on what exactly american media deems extremist behaviour. American media has termed things like muslims praying, or calling the adhan as extremist muslim behaviour that could lead to terrorism. Muslims saying alhamdulillah or Allahu akbar are "jihadist" slogans, and if they hear us saying it we could be arrested for potential terrorism. So when this media says someone is a muslim extremist, I have reservations about that and ususally don't believe it.

I agree. I also mistrust the American media when it comes to issues such as this.

 

[fullyveiled muslimah]

I like to try and wait to see if I can find any other source of info, or if anything else comes to light when this kind of thing is brought up. I don't like offering knee-jerk reactions to stories. I can see that the setup is designed to get people against the palestinians on this issue (which isn't difficult) by starting off with keywords like "mickey mouse" "terrorism" "hate" and "child violence". These words help to create a certain disposition for the reader prior to reading the article. The way the articles are setup are in and of themselves propaganda.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I like to try and wait to see if I can find any other source of info, or if anything else comes to light when this kind of thing is brought up. I don't like offering knee-jerk reactions to stories. I can see that the setup is designed to get people against the palestinians on this issue (which isn't difficult) by starting off with keywords like "mickey mouse" "terrorism" "hate" and "child violence". These words help to create a certain disposition for the reader prior to reading the article. The way the articles are setup are in and of themselves propaganda.

Not only that, but there are arguably similiar propaganda tools being used here in the US. Movies and video games, for example. The US military has supported (and--I believe--funded) movies and games that glorify the military and many of the events it has been involved in.

 

[Comprehend]

you guys are questioning the veracity of the reporting? Hamas has already admitted that the report is true and removed the program...

 

[fullyveiled muslimah]

I question the veracity of ANY media report aside from sports and maybe weather. Anything else will not be taken at face value by me. My issue is not whether or not it was true so much as if it is wrong or not. Without more information I am not prepared to say for a fact that what was promoted was wrong in this case. For one I do not know what the little character was made to say, nor do I know the context in which it was said.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

you guys are questioning the veracity of the reporting? Hamas has already admitted that the report is true and removed the program...

Sorry, reporting in general. I think the freedom of the press is less free than it appears...

 

[lizskid]

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[Jayhawker Soule]

Then perhaps it makes most sense to move it to a more appropriate forum ...

 

[Ody]

The only surviving child of Walt Disney has called Hamas "pure evil" for turning Mickey Mouse into a propaganda tool for hate.

Disney hated Jews.

 

[Comprehend]

I question the veracity of ANY media report aside from sports and maybe weather. Anything else will not be taken at face value by me. My issue is not whether or not it was true so much as if it is wrong or not. Without more information I am not prepared to say for a fact that what was promoted was wrong in this case. For one I do not know what the little character was made to say, nor do I know the context in which it was said.

Hamas has decided it was wrong and pulled the show and apologized for it... wouldn't that be an indication to you that all sides agree it was wrong?

 

[Comprehend]

Disney hated Jews.

yes, and he was a loser for it... the discussion isn't really about Walt Disney...

 

[TashaN]

Hamas has decided it was wrong and pulled the show and apologized for it... wouldn't that be an indication to you that all sides agree it was wrong?

I don't know about the details in this issue and i commented so far about what have been presented to me in this thread. I would like to know more about this issue and i hope you will give me some links about the reaction of Hamas.

Thank you.

 

[Mujahid Mohammed]

So what is your conclusion? Is the message of Hamas against Islam and do you support it?

first in matters of Islam my conclusion or opinion is not really relevant. It is only if,my conclusion is based on the methodology of the Messenger and His companions based on the revelation, and legislation of the Quran.

Second what do you think? the evidence is clear it is posted in many many forums and discussions with evidence telling you the clear way from statement of those who were there.

Do we really need to beat this dead horse. I mean really do we need to do it. Lets discuss the relevant issues. Do you have evidence that what Hamas is doing a part of Islam. That is what is relevant if you are seeking information from a muslim. It should be asked with the sole purpose of seeing if this is what Muslims do. Peace

 

[maro]

all right! Maro claims to be a terrorism supporter too. More death and destruction for everybody! yea!

if you call the legal dream of every muslim to restore the glory of his ummah back terrorism , so be it

if teaching our dream to our children is terrorism , so be it

if our dream to take our lands back from invaders and get rid of them forever is terrorism , so be it

 

[Comprehend]

I don't know about the details in this issue and i commented so far about what have been presented to me in this thread. I would like to know more about this issue and i hope you will give me some links about the reaction of Hamas.

Thank you.

ok.

here is a story that tells of Hamas admitting it was a mistake:

Information Minister Mustafa Barghouti said the character — a giant black-and-white rodent with a high-pitched voice — represented a "mistaken approach" to the Palestinian struggle against Israeli occupation.

He said that the program was pulled from Hamas-affiliated Al Aqsa TV at his ministry's request and "placed under review."

http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_130020247.html



and here is a story showing that Hamas lied and did not pull the program like they said:

Following an international outcry over a previous episode that called for Israel to be vanquished and for establishing global Islamist supremacy, Palestinian Authority Information Minister Mustafa Barghouti demanded that Hamas shelve the show, calling the content inappropriate.

Hamas, which is the dominant Palestinian Authority faction, initially agreed, but its producers at Al-Aqsa Television later said they rejected such interference in their programming.
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/101783.html

 

[Comprehend]

first in matters of Islam my conclusion or opinion is not really relevant. It is only if,my conclusion is based on the methodology of the Messenger and His companions based on the revelation, and legislation of the Quran.

Second what do you think? the evidence is clear it is posted in many many forums and discussions with evidence telling you the clear way from statement of those who were there.

Do we really need to beat this dead horse. I mean really do we need to do it. Lets discuss the relevant issues. Do you have evidence that what Hamas is doing a part of Islam. That is what is relevant if you are seeking information from a muslim. It should be asked with the sole purpose of seeing if this is what Muslims do. Peace

Are you unable or unwilling to answer the question?

You continue to dodge.

Do you or do you not, support Hamas?

 

[Mujahid Mohammed]

Are you unable or unwilling to answer the question?

I am able and willing and have already done so in numerous posts as have many others as I said do you want to beat this dead horse again. We discussed this when the issue of them coming to power came up a long time ago. And I believe you asked two questions. go back and see Is the message of Hamas against Islam? And I said you need to find out what Islam is.

You then aksed do you support it. I believe I said why do you want to beat a dead horse. This is retorical, so much so, that it is borderline stupidity to even ask the question.

You continue to dodge.

Do you or do you not, support Hamas?

No one is dodging. I follow the Quran and sunnah. figure out what that is and what it means and then you will have the answer to your question but I believe you already know the answer. You are pretty smart I think it is clear.

 

[Comprehend]

I am able and willing and have already done so in numerous posts as have many others as I said do you want to beat this dead horse again. We discussed this when the issue of them coming to power came up a long time ago. And I believe you asked two questions. go back and see Is the message of Hamas against Islam? And I said you need to find out what Islam is.

You then aksed do you support it. I believe I said why do you want to beat a dead horse. This is retorical, so much so, that it is borderline stupidity to even ask the question.

No one is dodging. I follow the Quran and sunnah. figure out what that is and what it means and then you will have the answer to your question but I believe you already know the answer. You are pretty smart I think it is clear.

um....


if you are willing to answer the question then do it.

yes or no? Do YOU support the military actions of Hamas and Hezbollah?

I am not interested in knowing what your interpretation of Islam is and every muslim group has a different interpretation. I am interested in your personal view.

yes or no?

 

[TashaN]

ok.

here is a story that tells of Hamas admitting it was a mistake

I'm lost, can you please quote for me where did Hamas say that this was a mistake?

Thank you.

Are you unable or unwilling to answer the question?

You continue to dodge.

Do you or do you not, support Hamas?

I don't know why you insist on behaving the way Mr. Bush handel things. He said that if anyone is not with him, so he is against him.

Now, let me ask you something, do you support all the Israeli military actions which many of it result in killing innocent people including women, children and old people?

If you said yes, that you support what Israel do 100% then you are not better than any terrorist.

Many people tried to be reasonable and you are not willing to listen. Anyone have the right to support his country or any political movement, but when something goes wrong they must condemn that instead of bringing up excuses.

I have been told in this forum many times that when USA and Israel kill women or children, so it's by mistake, but when any enemy kill women or children by mistake so it's a terrorist attack. You see now what i'm talking about?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Now, let me ask you something, do you support all the Israeli military actions which many of it result in killing innocent people including women, children and old people?

If you said yes, that you support what Israel do 100% then you are not better than any terrorist.

Those who intentionally dilute or otherwise obscure the meaning of 'terrorism' are little different than those who dilute or intentionally obscure the meaning of terms such as 'holocaust' or 'genocide'. While there is much that the Israeli and the US do that I find deplorable, the fact is that military action that results in "killing innocent people including women, children and old people" differs from a policy of military action with the intent of "killing innocent people including women, children and old people". It's the difference between taking out rocket launchers operated from within civilian population centers and lobbing rockets at civilian population centers.