What WW2 actually was: a war between banking powers

[Estro Felino]

Who says they are?

But not being a saint doesn’t mean you started WW2

Cashing in on people's deaths is something many wealthy people do.

 

[Revoltingest]

I play cards face up, sir.
Do you?

I don't play cards.

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't play cards.

I meant: let's say you adore Kissinger, would you tell me?

 

[Revoltingest]

I meant: let's say you adore Kissinger, would you tell me?
I don't think you would.
You don't put your cards on the table.

I don't play cards, especially with Kissinger.

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't play cards, especially with Kissinger.

I advise you to watch this video. It's very enlightening.

 

[Revoltingest]

I advise you to watch this video. It's very enlightening.

I've no interest in Jewish Hitler.

 

[Estro Felino]

I've no interest in Jewish Hitler.

No problem.
It's already been ascertained that Goebbels' wife, Magda was Jewish...
And she was not the only Nazi Jew.

So this narrative that says Jews =all saints and Europeans = all villains has to end.

Don't you agree, kind sir?

 

[Revoltingest]

No problem.
It's already been ascertained that Goebbels' wife, Magda was Jewish...
And she was not the only Nazi Jew.

So this narrative that says Jews =all saints and Europeans = all villains has to end.

Don't you agree, kind sir?

To "be a Jew" has different meanings.
Some are practicing.
Others just have that bloodline that's obsessed over.
Have you some point that could be clearly made?

 

[Estro Felino]

To "be a Jew" has different meanings.
Some are practicing.
Others just have that bloodline that's obsessed over.
Have you some point that could be clearly made?

I asked you a question.
Do you agree that there were Nazi Jews?

Nazi Propaganda Minister's Wife Was Half Jewish - B'nai Brith Canada

By Jordan Zaitchik B’nai Brith Canada It looks like the “ideal Aryan family” included some Jewish progeny. A new discovery in the Berlin archives has revealed that Magda Ritshel, wife of Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels, falsified her birth certificate and that her father was actually...

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[Revoltingest]

I asked you a question.
Do you agree that there were Nazi Jews?

Nazi Propaganda Minister's Wife Was Half Jewish - B'nai Brith Canada

By Jordan Zaitchik B’nai Brith Canada It looks like the “ideal Aryan family” included some Jewish progeny. A new discovery in the Berlin archives has revealed that Magda Ritshel, wife of Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels, falsified her birth certificate and that her father was actually...

www.bnaibrith.ca

Anything's possible.
Not everything is significant.
Have you a clear & relevant point to make?

 

[Estro Felino]

Anything's possible.
Not everything is significant.
Have you a clear & relevant point to make?

My point of this thread is that there were powerful banking powers who surely played a role not only in WW2, but in the Holocaust too.
That's it.

It's obvious, being on the side of good, we all condemn whoever started WW2 and whoever committed that terrible genocide,
Both things were irrational and meaningless.

 

[metis]

Ukraine must fight to prevent their innocents being tortured and killed and prevent their own suffering. For them it's kill or be killed and fall to tyranny.

In the vast majority of cases, such actions are taken against those that are viewed as a threat. But with non-cooperative non-violence, that threat is absent. If this supposedly doesn't work, then how does one explain what Gandhi and his followers did to the Raj and eventually the British Empire?

No reactions to tyranny ever work perfectly, but my concern is mostly with innocents, especially children. How many dead children is acceptable? [rhetorical]

 

[metis]

I advise you to watch this video. It's very enlightening.

Linking us to an anti-Semitic source doesn't advance your cause, and it begs the question as to whether you are doing the exact same thing by mainly focusing on blaming banks, which is another piece of anti-Semitic propaganda. I've seen this so many times before, including the many, many hours I've spent on studying the Holocaust here, in Poland, in the Netherlands, and in Israel.

In my three-week presentation in my poli sci course, I also went through the lineage of Hitler and dealt with his mindset, and if one does objective studying on him, there simply is 0 evidence that he was part Jewish. Even if he had been, his mindset would have nothing to do with that anyway.

 

[Stevicus]

My point of this thread is that there were powerful banking powers who surely played a role not only in WW2, but in the Holocaust too.
That's it.

It's obvious, being on the side of good, we all condemn whoever started WW2 and whoever committed that terrible genocide,
Both things were irrational and meaningless.

I can see that, although I think that when looking at the causes and effects of history, it can often be a lot more complicated than simply saying "whodunit." Instead of focusing on the "who," I tend to look at the "why," as well as the kinds of ideals being propagated which can goad the masses into supporting war or other violent action.

I also tend to eschew the commonly-held mainstream viewpoint, which essentially states that Germany was a responsible, civilized, enlightened society, at least until Hitler came along, said some magic words, and then everyone turned into homicidal maniacs. That's rooted in the "great man" approach to history, which is similar to how people see things nowadays.

People don't look at historical movements or shifts in values or ideologies. Instead they insist that it's all due to the power of some great charismatic "magic man," such as Hitler, Trump, Putin, Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, Xi, Kim, or whoever it might be. Your approach in focusing on the bankers and monied interests appears closer to the truth than the mainstream "magic man" theory of history, although it doesn't seem to tell the entire story. There's still more to the story than just bankers wanting to make more money - which I would never deny.

 

[Estro Felino]

Linking us to an anti-Semitic source doesn't advance your cause, and it begs the question as to whether you are doing the exact same thing by mainly focusing on blaming banks, which is another piece of anti-Semitic propaganda. I've seen this so many times before, including the many, many hours I've spent on studying the Holocaust here, in Poland, in the Netherlands, and in Israel.

In my three-week presentation in my poli sci course, I also went through the lineage of Hitler and dealt with his mindset, and if one does objective studying on him, there simply is 0 evidence that he was part Jewish. Even if he had been, his mindset would have nothing to do with that anyway.

I am not understanding your point.

Are you saying that all the Jews that have lived so far (to the present day) are all immaculate, flawless, impeccable saints who would never kill anyone?
Or who would never okay a mass murder?

 

[metis]

I am not understanding your point.

Are you saying that all the Jews that have lived so far (to the present day) are all immaculate, flawless, impeccable saints who would never kill anyone?
Or who would never okay a mass murder?

Yes, you obviously have chosen to not understand my point, and the latter comment is just more anti-Semitic trash as I've never said nor implied that. It's no wonder you support fascism and some fascist leaders.

BTW, when I was in Italy in 2001, I was told not to wear my yarmulka in northern Italy especially because of the relative high rate of anti-Semitism. My wife's family in Sicily had a real hard time understanding how I, who was into Judaism at that time, was married to my Catholic wife? My wife explained it, including how she loved our synagogue so much.

 

[Estro Felino]

I can see that, although I think that when looking at the causes and effects of history, it can often be a lot more complicated than simply saying "whodunit." Instead of focusing on the "who," I tend to look at the "why," as well as the kinds of ideals being propagated which can goad the masses into supporting war or other violent action.

I also tend to eschew the commonly-held mainstream viewpoint, which essentially states that Germany was a responsible, civilized, enlightened society, at least until Hitler came along, said some magic words, and then everyone turned into homicidal maniacs. That's rooted in the "great man" approach to history, which is similar to how people see things nowadays.

People don't look at historical movements or shifts in values or ideologies. Instead they insist that it's all due to the power of some great charismatic "magic man," such as Hitler, Trump, Putin, Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, Xi, Kim, or whoever it might be. Your approach in focusing on the bankers and monied interests appears closer to the truth than the mainstream "magic man" theory of history, although it doesn't seem to tell the entire story. There's still more to the story than just bankers wanting to make more money - which I would never deny.

I empathize with the German people, a lot.
Meaning that the so called Nazizeit kind of tainted their history and their identity as Nation and people.

The problem is that the most admirable component of their Volksgeist, which is Treue (which is the inflexible obedience to the Supreme Good, which can be the State, the Third Reich) made the machine of destruction, war and genocide work perfectly.

For us Italian it was very different because there is that good, healthy sense of anarchy that allowed the Fascist Government to vote out Mussolini in 1943, and enabled the armistice with the Americans few months later.

In both cases, they were two nations which were duped. And maneuvered by evil minds who wanted the war.

I mean...no Italian was interested in freezing to death in the Ukrainian steppe, yet they had to do that in the horrific Russian campaign between 1941 and 1942.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes, you obviously have chosen to not understand my point, and the latter comment is just more anti-Semitic trash as I've never said nor implied that. It's no wonder you support fascism and some fascist leaders.

BTW, when I was in Italy in 2001, I was told not to wear my yarmulka in northern Italy especially because of the relative high rate of anti-Semitism. My wife's family in Sicily had a real hard time understanding how I, who was into Judaism at that time, was married to my Catholic wife? My wife explained it, including how she loved our synagogue so much.

First of all, my point was not anti-Semitic.
Secondly, my point is that Jewry is not a monolith. The great majority of people are good people who are like us. Innocent, good people who can fall victims to wicked people.
A minority within Jews is made up of very, very, very mean people.

This happens in any religion. Catholicism has had the most evil people in history. The worst Popes. As a Catholic I acknowledge that.

 

[Revoltingest]

My point of this thread is that there were powerful banking powers who surely played a role not only in WW2, but in the Holocaust too.
That's it.

It's obvious, being on the side of good, we all condemn whoever started WW2 and whoever committed that terrible genocide,
Both things were irrational and meaningless.

OK.

 

[Augustus]

Cashing in on people's deaths is something many wealthy people do.

Given people from all sectors of society helped the Nazis, that some of them were bankers is beyond unremarkable.