What WW2 actually was: a war between banking powers

[Estro Felino]

Why do you keep lying about things that can be easily verified via internet? It's insulting and disrespectful.

Russian, 63, Jailed For Seven Years For Anti-War Posts

A court in Moscow has sentenced a 63-year-old man to seven years in prison for two online posts last year condemning Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.

www.rferl.org

Russia protests: more than 1,300 arrested at anti-war demonstrations

More than 500 detained in both Moscow and St Petersburg, says monitoring group, after Putin orders call-up of military reservists

www.theguardian.com

More than 15,000 Russians have been arrested in anti-war protests

Despite Vladimir Putin’s crackdown, people continue to take to the streets

www.economist.com

Russian Artist Jailed After Posting Ukraine War Stickers | FRONTLINE

In St. Petersburg, an artist was jailed after protesting Russia’s war in Ukraine — and could spend up to a decade in prison. Her partner speaks in the FRONTLINE documentary “Putin’s War at Home.”

www.pbs.org

Anti-war political activist and prisoner of conscience Vladimir Kara-Murza sentenced to 25 in jail

Vladimir Kara-Murza’s 25-year prison sentence is yet another chilling example of the systematic repression of civil society.

www.amnesty.org

Russian dad on the run exposes cracks in Putin’s war dissent

Alexei Moskalyov was convicted after his daughter, Maria, was taken from him over her drawings critical of the Ukraine invasion.

www.nbcnews.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/06/26/russia-protests-dissent-activists-skochilenko/

Russia Criminalizes Independent War Reporting, Anti-War Protests

New laws are part of Russia’s ruthless effort to suppress all dissent and make sure the population does not have access to any information that contradicts the Kremlin’s narrative about the invasion of Ukraine.

www.hrw.org

Stop fetishizing despots. It's disgusting.

I meant that just expressing their opinion on the war, is not a crime.

 

[Revoltingest]

I meant that just expressing their opinion on the war, is not a crime.

It's only a crime if they disagree with Putin.
But agreeing with his propaganda is perfectly legal.

 

[Estro Felino]

Exactly!
I'm surprised to see you agree with me.
And so succinctly too.

I confess you something.
Many many years ago, I used to giggle at the so called conspiracy theorists.
I didn't criticize them, but I thought they believed in fanciful stuff.

Then I studied commercial law, banking law, macroeconomics, microeconomics, and I understood that there are banking powers who have stolen the property of money from the nations.

So, yes, those banking powers have robbed something.
This is a conspiracy. It's not a theory. It's written in all books of macroeconomics, history and history of economics. It's not something hidden.
One should read them, these books. And study them.

 

[Father Heathen]

I meant that just expressing their opinion on the war, is not a crime.

Why would you waste time making a reply that's already refuted by the post it's replying to? Makes no damn sense.

 

[Estro Felino]

Why would you waste time making a reply that's already refuted by the post it's replying to? Makes no damn sense.

I think it makes no sense that you think I condone the Russian war, given that the OP of this thread clearly says war is horrific.

So it's a mystery to me, how you can think I okay this war waged by Russia.

 

[Stevicus]

Exactly!
I'm surprised to see you agree with me.
And so succinctly too.

That's what I've been saying all along.

 

[Stevicus]

I confess you something.
Many many years ago, I used to giggle at the so called conspiracy theorists.
I didn't criticize them, but I thought they believed in fanciful stuff.

Then I studied commercial law, banking law, macroeconomics, microeconomics, and I understood that there are banking powers who have stolen the property of money from the nations.

So, yes, those banking powers have robbed something.
This is a conspiracy. It's not a theory. It's written in all books of macroeconomics, history and history of economics. It's not something hidden.
One should read them, these books. And study them.

The way I look at it, politicians are going to politic. That's what they do. They form coalitions based on certain interests or beliefs they have in common. In that vein, politicians exist in all segments of society, not just in government or the public sector. Those who ridicule and criticize conspiracy theories are as much as claiming that there is a wall of separation between the public and private sector, which is also a major tenet of capitalist dogma. Some people might say that the capitalists are off the hook because they're not the ones officially in charge. It's those who hold official public office who are solely responsible for the actions of government - along with those who elect them. There is some truth to that, although it all comes down to what ideas and values people hold and how they turn them into actions at the governmental level.

The bottom line is, it doesn't matter who the actual people are doing it or what their profession is. What matters is what they believe. That's why I focus on beliefs, such as capitalism and nationalism, which are two peas in the same pod, when you really come down to it. Whichever bankers may have supported the Nazis, it's clear that they embraced both capitalism and nationalism, indicating that those beliefs are toxic and harmful to humanity.

 

[Father Heathen]

I think it makes no sense that you think I condone the Russian war, given that the OP of this thread clearly says war is horrific.

So it's a mystery to me, how you can think I okay this war waged by Russia.

I'm talking about how you tried to claim Russians aren't punished for condemning the war in a response to a post that proved otherwise.

Also, you're not truly against the war if you think Russia should be rewarded for it.

 

[Estro Felino]

The way I look at it, politicians are going to politic. That's what they do. They form coalitions based on certain interests or beliefs they have in common. In that vein, politicians exist in all segments of society, not just in government or the public sector. Those who ridicule and criticize conspiracy theories are as much as claiming that there is a wall of separation between the public and private sector, which is also a major tenet of capitalist dogma. Some people might say that the capitalists are off the hook because they're not the ones officially in charge. It's those who hold official public office who are solely responsible for the actions of government - along with those who elect them. There is some truth to that, although it all comes down to what ideas and values people hold and how they turn them into actions at the governmental level.

The bottom line is, it doesn't matter who the actual people are doing it or what their profession is. What matters is what they believe. That's why I focus on beliefs, such as capitalism and nationalism, which are two peas in the same pod, when you really come down to it. Whichever bankers may have supported the Nazis, it's clear that they embraced both capitalism and nationalism, indicating that those beliefs are toxic and harmful to humanity.

I think random citizens have no idea of what the Federal Reserve Act (1913) entailed, and why there was the Crash in 1929. Or why in 1971 the US unilaterally abandoned the gold exchange standard and the Bretton Woods system, forcing Europe to do the same.

Unbridled capitalism is private profits maximization. Private profits the bankers will spend on gambling and hookers.

At least in socialistic States, the Government spends public money on building schools and hospitals.

 

[Augustus]

I have said something else, though.
I have said these elites used to own the Auschwitz industrial complex, the largest petrochemical complex in the entire world, at that time. Anything was produced in that huge industrial area. Sometimes called Buna Werke or Monowitz complex.
The concentration camps were actually labor camps where the prisoners were exploited as factory workers.
I suggest you to read If this is a man by P. Levi. He was saved because he was a chemist.

Who owned the IG Farben and this industrial complex?

Those banking dynasties. So, they were all in on it.

Will you acknowledge this?

I don’t know who owned any individual company, but know enough about the rise of the Nazis and the development of their anti-Jewish policies to know that blaming it on a banking conspiracy is a nonsense.

The final solution was not part of a 20 year banking conspiracy, but something that developed piecemeal out of the fanatical hatred of a small number of top Nazis, especially Himmler and Heydrich.

To put it down to some immaculate grand conspiracy of sinister elite geniuses is to soften the reality that it was really just some moderately competent bureaucrats combining extremely hateful racism with state power and being assisted by many fairly ordinary people.

The truth is far more disturbing than the conspiracy theory.

 

[Debater Slayer]

A German wiki page is not an argument in favour of a ludicrously tenuous conspiracy narrative.

Might as well say the USSR was a banking conspiracy because Western capitalists were responsible for their industrialisation and the Soviets helped arm the Nazis.

I'm banking on that conspiracy theory! Don't ruin it for me, please.

 

[Estro Felino]

I don’t know who owned any individual company, but know enough about the rise of the Nazis and the development of their anti-Jewish policies to know that blaming it on a banking conspiracy is a nonsense.

The final solution was not part of a 20 year banking conspiracy, but something that developed piecemeal out of the fanatical hatred of a small number of top Nazis, especially Himmler and Heydrich.

To put it down to some immaculate grand conspiracy of sinister elite geniuses is to soften the reality that it was really just some moderately competent bureaucrats combining extremely hateful racism with state power and being assisted by many fairly ordinary people.

The truth is far more disturbing than the conspiracy theory.

My country has never had anything to do with that genocide.
That's for sure.

Auschwitz was built by those financial powers.

 

[Revoltingest]

This is a conspiracy. It's not a theory. It's written in all books of macroeconomics, history and history of economics. It's not something hidden.
One should read them, these books. And study them.

Many things are written....
- The government harvests melanin from black children.
- The Moon landings were faked.
- Elvis & Hitler are still alive.

 

[Estro Felino]

Many things are written....
- The government harvests melanin from black children.
- The Moon landings were faked.
- Elvis & Hitler are still alive.

Let's try visual.
This is the banking system post-Bretton Woods in a nutshell.

I think a kindergarten kid would get that too.

 

[Revoltingest]

Let's try visual.
This is the banking system post-Bretton Woods in a nutshell.

So are these elite bankers serving Satan?

 

[Estro Felino]

So are these elite bankers serving Satan?

I don't think they believe in a metaphysical world. So no God or Satan, I guess.

 

[Augustus]

My country has never had anything to do with that genocide.
That's for sure.

Auschwitz was built by those financial powers.

The Nazis and those who enabled them bear responsibility, not later generations.

There were multiple camps at Auschwitz built by different people for different purposes.

The main camps were SS, and some others were built for industrial corporations to exploit the slave labour.

It was not built by bankers who planned it for 20 years and had a crystal ball to predict all the things that needed to happen before the Nazis could build camps in Poland after trying multiple other “solutions” to their genocidal hate.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't think they believe in a metaphysical world. So no God or Satan, I guess.

Christians tell me that everyone knows god.
Some (me) choose to reject him. And Satan
hardens our hearts. You don't believe this?

 

[Estro Felino]

The Nazis and those who enabled them bear responsibility, not later generations.

There were multiple camps at Auschwitz built by different people for different purposes.

The main camps were SS, and some others were built for industrial corporations to exploit the slave labour.

It was not built by bankers who planned it for 20 years and had a crystal ball to predict all the things that needed to happen before the Nazis could build camps in Poland after trying multiple other “solutions” to their genocidal hate.

I showed with evidence that several American newspapers from 1915, 1918, 1919, 1920, 1921 and 1936 that someone was already planning the genocide of six million Jews.
It was something willed by certain powerful élites who spread the news in advance.

Do you want the complete list, so you can check on them yourself?

The Sun, June 6 1915
New York Times, October 18 1918
New York Times, September 8, 1919
New York Times, November 12, 1919
Atlanta Constitution February 23 1920
New York Times, May 7 1920
New York Times, July 20 1921
Montreal Gazette, December 29 1931
New York Times May 31 1936

 

[Estro Felino]

Christians tell me that everyone knows god.
Some (me) choose to reject him. And Satan
hardens our hearts. You don't believe this?

Absolutely not.
I believe most atheists are good.