By the way -- if you claim to be a Christian...

[3rdAngel]

Why keep repeating falsehoods? I quoted you saying what I claimed that you said.

Your deflecting what you do. You did no such thing. Post your proof. You provided none.

 

[3rdAngel]

I used the quote function. Are you now claiming that the new algorithm changed what you said?

Which did not say what you said I said. Lets be honest you are not telling the truth.

 

[3rdAngel]

You clearly do not "know". You merely believe.

More random words you cannot prove. Please forgive me but I do not believe you. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day according to Jesus.

 

[Kenny]

Any Grace comes from God and is not set apart from the Spirit of God being within Yeshua. Yeshua conveyed light (understanding for those with ears to hear)(Mt 13-13-15) and the "Word", the bread of life, which one must consume without the leaven of the Pharisees/hypocrisy). And it has nothing to do with the Paul's false gospel of grace. Your cross, made of wood, silver, and gold, is a pagan idol, which the pagan Gentiles will not let go, even after the world is being decimated (Rev 9:20). It is part of the mark of the "beast with two horns like a lamb". Those with the mark will drink from the cup of "His anger" (Rev 14:10). But if you like that message, by all means, you have the freedom to follow that wide path to destruction (Mt 7:13). One can turn from "wickedness"/"lawlessness" to "righteousness", or hold on to their lawlessness and perish. If you don't know what "wickedness" is, then you need to read Mt 13:38-51, and know that many will understand the difference between righteousness and wickedness at the time of a judgment of a smelter when Levi will be purified (Mal 3:18), which will be the "day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32), and the judgment of the nations/Gentiles (Joel 3:1-2).

Ez 13:… 18 If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, he will die for it. 19 But if a wicked man turns from his wickedness and does what is just and right, he will live because of this. 20 Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ But I will judge each of you according to his ways, O house of Israel.”

OK... there is a real gospel of grace... thanks for admitting it.

Can you explain this?

John 1:15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.​

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Incorrect, what God said is true, but what some man may say without God inspiration, now that might not be true. 100% of the Bible is Truely stated.

That doesn't address my point. You said, "Everything in the Bible is truly Stated, but not everything is a STATEMENT of Truth" and I replied, "There's no test for identifying true parts if any." You're still asking the reader to decide which are the true parts from God and which are the untrue parts written by uninspired men.

ERROR, IN, IN, IN, the beginning, not at the beginning.

I see. I guess that's an important distinction. You're in the beginning but not at it. I guess this is why I have trouble seeing the seamless inerrancy of scripture. So how does one get in the beginning without also being at it?

the more appropriate question is /where did we come from, for God been here all the time.

We come from the universe, which is probably a local phenomenon in a larger reality that had no beginning. Where would gods fit into any of this? How could one exist? What would its purpose be?

God disagrees with you.

That's not a deal breaker. I have to go with the evidence. There was no first man. There was no human being that was not born to a human mother ever. Why? Because human being isn't defined precisely. Today, it is not difficult to decide which living things are human and which are not, but if the various shades of gray that once walked the earth were all still here, it wouldn't be so easy.

Sure it matters indeed matter what we believe.

But only to him. The critical thinker isn't interested in what others have chosen to believe, but which correct beliefs they hold, and he judges that by empirical standards, that is, can they demonstrate that their beliefs are correct with sound, evidenced argument..

The wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.

You're probably not surprised to read that I and millions of others see it the other way around.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, those and digging up bones and settlements all around the globe.

I have been researching and contesting the analysis of bones for a while now. So I'll just say that from what I have researched, soil leaches into bone fossils. And therefore the true date of when the animal lived is not necessarily accurate. Furthermore, the fact that paleontologists decide which bone fragments belong to a human, or humanoid (prior to so-called homo sapiens) can also be wondered about. I am convinced that although paleontologists think what they're saying is true, it may not be. When I come across more about that, I'll post it. Thanks.

 

[YoursTrue]

That sounds like a speech from Dr. Fauci, who was "science" himself. In the least, Fauci is going to be sued into his grave. Your self examination seems to be on a subjective footing. If you look at the recent University graduates, they seem to be quite indoctrinated, and without "critical thinking". I notice you didn't note your source of education, or the subject of that education. If it is the so called science of "philosophy", well that type of soft "science" has had a boat load of facts coming out which undermines the entire point of view of previous "science" bent. Even doctors are working under a boat load of wrong precepts, and traditional practices, bolstered by economic forces and legal forces. A general education is more likely to provide a foundation for critical thinking and continuing education, versus a targeted focus, which can self-destruct despite the inertia against change. The "elite" are the slowest to make corrections, for that is a foundation for their prestige and income.

Me personally so far I have nothing against Dr. Fauci. I truly believe he was doing the best job he could do. Lots of stuff has come out about pharmaceutical firms that are not good, but what's the alternative? In fact, I am glad he was in that position and wish him well. Many people either do not have access to authentic contrary opinions or are not taught to question things deeply. For instance, when I was in school, including university and thereafter, I did not question the theory of evolution until years later. I also did not believe in God during many years.

 

[YoursTrue]

Now you have admitted that you were wrong three times in a row. Wow!!!

In general I am no longer reading your posts. I would call them something but then maybe that wouldn't be the best use of terminology enjoyed by the moderators here. But this one gave me a laugh! LOLOL.

 

[YoursTrue]

You seem to be a little slow on the draw. What caused your confusion? Is it that every sect condemns every other sect?

Hmm, could be either I don't read every post of yours, or that I am a little slow. Your choice. You still haven't answered. Are you or are you not considering yourself to be a Christian? It should be an easy answer, like yes or no. Which is it? Yes? or No? Have a good one.

 

[YoursTrue]

You clearly do not "know". You merely believe.

hmm as I said I don't usually read your posts now, but today catches me reading a bit. Yet I see @mikkel_the_dane talk about "Her God." Wonder if you have anything to say about that, huh?
Because she says in a recent post, "Yeah, and I am not subjective, when I know God and live in Her World." See? She says she's not being subjective and lives in a female god's world. Got anything to say about that and her proclamation of lack of subjectivity?

 

[Subduction Zone]

In general I am no longer reading your posts. I would call them something but then maybe that wouldn't be the best use of terminology enjoyed by the moderators here. But this one gave me a laugh! LOLOL.

You need to read to get the context. He lost a debate. He kept linking to a post where he clearly lost it. That is the same as admitting that you are wrong again and again. I explained that to him. I offered to discuss the verses that he did not understand again. He only ran away. That too is a tacit admission that he lost.

So every time that he posted a link to the debate that he lost. One that he now is trying to deny, but I quoted him where it all started to show that he got even that wrong, that too is running away.

I know, it bothers you that you are terribly wrong and like him you are afraid to learn.

Why does cowardice so often accompany being part of a cult?

 

[Subduction Zone]

hmm as I said I don't usually read your posts now, but today catches me reading a bit. Yet I see @mikkel_the_dane talk about "Her God." Wonder if you have anything to say about that, huh?
Because she says in a recent post, "Yeah, and I am not subjective, when I know God and live in Her World." See? She says she's not being subjective and lives in a female god's world. Got anything to say about that and her proclamation of lack of subjectivity?

I am pretty sure that you misunderstood @mikkel_the_dane . For one thing I am fairly sure that he is a he. not a she. And he used the female for his God as a jibe at @3rdAngel . You probably missed that.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I am pretty sure that you misunderstood @mikkel_the_dane . For one thing I am fairly sure that he is a he. not a she. And he used the female for his God as a jibe at @3rdAngel . You probably missed that.

Well, I am a male, but if I have to put a gender on the God I have faith in, it is indeed She.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your deflecting what you do. You did no such thing. Post your proof. You provided none.

I did too. The first time I linked the post, as you demanded. Then I did a copy and paste of it so that you could see where you started to debate that. Do I need to do so again? And remember, the only one has has been shown to post falsehoods here is you. Your posts are still there. My posts are still there. You cannot even edit those old posts any longer.

We were debating whether everything in the Bible was literally true. I can quote you to show where it started. After it was clear that you were going to lose that debate you tried to say that was not what we were debating, but the posts are still there. I do not know if you can delete them. But even if you did my quotes of them will still be there. You cannot get rid of all of the evidence if you try.

 

[Subduction Zone]

More random words you cannot prove. Please forgive me but I do not believe you. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day according to Jesus.

Why do you always make that foolish foolish claim. Just because you won't let yourself understand a refutation does not mean that it did not happen. Knowledge is above and beyond mere belief. Knowledge is demonstrable. As one man wisely says "If you can't show it, you don't know it." I can support my claims. I gladly do. You never seem to be able to support the underlying basics of your claims. You just run away when challenged. Or even worse make the false claim of "I know it".

I have never denied that you have belief. That is rather clear. It is a rather irrational belief that you cannot defend, but you still hold on to it. What you do not have is knowledge. You claim that the Bible is reliable but when challenged you cannot support that claim. That tells me and everyone else here that can reason that all you have is mere belief.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, I am a male, but if I have to put a gender on the God I have faith in, it is indeed She.

I thought that if a god existed it would be asexual. If it was male we would have the problems of the old Greek Gods running around and humping any desirable woman or man that they see. Even Yahweh could not help himself in that regard, showing that he is "male".

Of course like in most myths the children of gods often have a far worse life than us mere mortals and most fail in their attempts at deity.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I thought that if a god existed it would be asexual. If it was male we would have the problems of the old Greek Gods running around and humping any desirable woman or man that they see. Even Yahweh could not help himself in that regard, showing that he is "male".

Of course like in most myths the children of gods often have a far worse life than us mere mortals and most fail in their attempts at deity.

Well, I am a child of growing up with feminism, so in a sort of childish way, God is She. And of course She gave birth to the universe.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: More random words you cannot prove. Please forgive me but I do not believe you. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day according to Jesus.

Your response

Why do you always make that foolish foolish claim. Just because you won't let yourself understand a refutation does not mean that it did not happen. Knowledge is above and beyond mere belief. Knowledge is demonstrable. As one man wisely says "If you can't show it, you don't know it." I can support my claims. I gladly do. You never seem to be able to support the underlying basics of your claims. You just run away when challenged. Or even worse make the false claim of "I know it". I have never denied that you have belief. That is rather clear. It is a rather irrational belief that you cannot defend, but you still hold on to it. What you do not have is knowledge. You claim that the Bible is reliable but when challenged you cannot support that claim. That tells me and everyone else here that can reason that all you have is mere belief.

Try and think rationally and logically. It will help you. Simply every time you have been challenged to prove what you say you have been unable to do so and you have been dishonest in what you say, can't be any more clearer than that.

 

[3rdAngel]

I did too. The first time I linked the post, as you demanded. Then I did a copy and paste of it so that you could see where you started to debate that. Do I need to do so again? And remember, the only one has has been shown to post falsehoods here is you. Your posts are still there. My posts are still there. You cannot even edit those old posts any longer.

We were debating whether everything in the Bible was literally true. I can quote you to show where it started. After it was clear that you were going to lose that debate you tried to say that was not what we were debating, but the posts are still there. I do not know if you can delete them. But even if you did my quotes of them will still be there. You cannot get rid of all of the evidence if you try.

Lets be honest. You are not telling the truth and I do not believe you. So lets agree to disagree and I will leave it all between you and God to work out and leave you with your unbelief.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your response

Try and think rationally and logically. It will help you. Simply every time you have been challenged to prove what you say you have been unable to do so and you have been dishonest in what you say, can't be any more clearer than that.

LOL! That is not true. I have proven you wrong again and again. You asked for the post were the discussion turned to all of the Bible being literally true and I linked your post where you claimed that it was. I can do so again.

Need I remind you that you are the one that is afraid to think rationally. You run away from the basics of science.