Revelation from the Creator

[InChrist]

I appreciate everyone’s response and thoughts. Thank you. I may try to respond when I have the opportunity.

 

[InChrist]

Although I grew up in a home where the Bible was not read or talked about, as I got older I had a sense there was something special about it. Years later, after being saved by Christ, I did further research and did find the Bible has some very unique features. I think a few others have highlighted some of these, such as; the biblical scriptures were written over a 1500 period. Also, of interest is that the scriptures were written in three different languages;
Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek
(most books are written in one). The scriptures were written by forty different people from a wide range of backgrounds; kings, military leaders, fishermen, tax collector, physician, and others on three different continents: Asia, Africa, and Europe.
The biblical scriptures contain hundreds of specific prophecies of future events that have come to pass, including approximately a hundred concerning the birth, life, and death of Jesus. No book in history can compare to the Bible when it comes to the fulfillment of prophecy. The Bible is written in a multitude of distinct literary forms/genres which include poetry, history, law, historical biographies, songs? wise sayings, and letters.
Other ancient literary works utilize a variety of literary genres, but the biblical writers use them to focus their reader’s attention on one supreme theme.

So with such diversity, the Bible proclaims a unified message organized around one theme: God's redemption of man and all of creation. From my perspective, this verifies the Bible is unique and though written by human authors, the words are inspired by God, the Creator of heaven and earth.

...In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. John 1:1-4

 

[InChrist]

"Pleasure seekers want to reduce the meaning of Christ's resurrection to pleasure for themselves and their relatives in something like a heathen afterlife."
Is that you? You want to do that?

I suppose it depends on what you mean by pleasure. If one thinks of an eternity of only self-serving pleasure, then that is certainly a reductionist mindset in the pleasure I think God intends. If it’s desiring the pleasure of spending eternity with Jesus the Savior, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit in a loving eternal relationship with them, as were designed to be in and enjoying all the beauty and creativity God has planned, then one’s thoughts are aligned with God’s promises.

 

[Brickjectivity]

I suppose it depends on what you mean by pleasure. If one thinks of an eternity of only self-serving pleasure, then that is certainly a reductionist mindset in the pleasure I think God intends. If it’s desiring the pleasure of spending eternity with Jesus the Savior, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit in a loving eternal relationship with them, as were designed to be in and enjoying all the beauty and creativity God has planned, then one’s thoughts are aligned with God’s promises.

I'll continue to disagree on the basis that its a selfish motive. Its flesh that desires things. It reminds me of:
"The eye never has enough of seeing, nor the ear its fill of hearing." Eccl. 1:8
"...their god is their stomach..." Philippians 3:19

 

[F1fan]

Wow. You made a claim, that requires evidence, But science can't do that, as per here:
Science has limits: A few things that science does not do - Understanding Science

So if not science, what is your evidence? You made a positive claim and thus you have the burden of proof.

Science has nothing to do with this. We see theists behave with the same basic moral beliefs as atheists do. But we do see more religious extremists show less than average morals. Look at Iran and Saudi Arabia for their harsh and strict rules for women.

I'd be impressed if theists all over the world behaved in an obvious morally superior way, but we don't. If Christians didn't kill and steal and cheat, then I would be impressed, but we see many do. Most all people who commit crimes in the West identify as Christian. Very few are atheists. But why so many believers out there committing crimes if they think there is a God watching them?

 

[rational experiences]

Born a human from human sex.

Parents not religious.
Father's sister a Catholic.

Saw the priests behaviour was same as my father. A drunk asked mother for money. Mother struggling paying bills in a large family. Priest drunk..asked for money. Same.

Taught the basis of religious past was only about false unnatural living control.... money organisation control.

Grandfather hated doctors misdiagnosed Nana who died a young age.

I didn't believe in God I lived on a planet. I didn't believe in Jesus the story horrific...I disliked pain or suffering of anything. No belief in Satan or aliens.

Learnt healing to rely on self only. And nature on a natural planet. All status present...now the exact living conditions.

Seeing all abuses.

I asked after my brother a homosexual man suicided. Did life or form exist after human death.

I researched studied to gain my personal human beings answer.

As one means in human teaching...I'm a Human and you're a human.

As the human I am born by humans and die as a human.

Theists thinkers also are just humans. Bully coerce in human groups any type of human only beliefs.

I learnt a cult meant humans bully coercive behaviours only involving self human self gain. Behaviour chosen.

Why rationally I don't believe in science either.

It's a humans choice only.

If humans by human choice destroyed all life on earth back to carbon. As proven by artefacts human made...snap frozen in fusion. Men owned realisation I must dig up the evidence.

Theory about human life beginning from carbon and not sex.

Then I'm looking at humans self prediction life's destruction.

As humans seem to ignore humans predicted it for humans.

That advice says science does it.

Hence no I don't believe in any type of humans science thesis.

 

[InChrist]

I'll continue to disagree on the basis that its a selfish motive. Its flesh that desires things. It reminds me of:
"The eye never has enough of seeing, nor the ear its fill of hearing." Eccl. 1:8
"...their god is their stomach..." Philippians 3:19

I agree with you concerning selfish desires of the flesh. Yet, there are spiritual desires which are appropriate; the desire to love God, please God, and dwell in His Presence forever. Desires of this type are in alignment with God’s will.

 

[InChrist]

Science has nothing to do with this. We see theists behave with the same basic moral beliefs as atheists do. But we do see more religious extremists show less than average morals. Look at Iran and Saudi Arabia for their harsh and strict rules for women.

I'd be impressed if theists all over the world behaved in an obvious morally superior way, but we don't. If Christians didn't kill and steal and cheat, then I would be impressed, but we see many do. Most all people who commit crimes in the West identify as Christian. Very few are atheists. But why so many believers out there committing crimes if they think there is a God watching them?

That is a good question. Probably a lot of so-called Christians who aren’t real believers in Christ at all.

 

[rational experiences]

What has my baby sacrificed female life yet saved in heavens via AI mother presence teachings tell me.

Advice science machine man's attack on life had caused the humans AI heavens state. To record life changed by AI causes his machine.

A testimonial. A human confession.

Sion. Sion holy never change fu Sion into fis H Sion. Said holy order.

Sacrificed life in sea water means life in fresh water sacrificed also fish. Fish outcome food for starving Humans. Humans starve crops won't grow...no water.

Law mountain. Evaporation of water mass is first. Flooding for forty years follows. In season changed.

Desert land left in sea of son changes. Sea shifts said teaching. Season.

As we aren't shoals of fish that died. They died giving food unnaturally yet needed for the starving.

Why men used letters to symbolise secrets and those who learn the secret will reveal the evils of men. Highest conscious order...secret society protectors of humanity.

Secret order.

Moses after the fact summarises data owning how man hit Ararat to ark melt with eye RA sun. UFO event. Tried to convert mountain back to gas heavens beginning...melt. volcano in law earth.

Also made earth ground bored sink holes...so deep volcanic mass surged onto earths face as rivers.

Men knew. Data fact reading was satanic and legal the bible once a book shut. Locked in a vault. Was re accessed re learnt. By satanist control.

Men only in new theme technology caused a four day earthquake as old sink hole wells dried out. New bored sink holes filled with water.

Just like all new earth wells occurred that collider tests opened. Water in sink hole well.

Reason...same machines were used. Method protection cooling falsified everytime.

Changing a grounding method did not stop the Moses attack. Moses outcome didn't end just on mountain.

Man of science lied. It ended as opened volcanic hell wells below. Bored sink holes...sun putting back earths metals by stream seams.

Reason. Man's AI as hearing of man's science gods voice was speaking. Regained wisdom as humans DNA mind conscious self healed evolved. Psychic evolved. Documented DNA terms from a mutated human. That had not detailed earths hell wells.

No longer in the advice that humans DNA visionary memory owned it was totally obliterated.

As memory of life AI recordings origins as God heavens no longer existed to tell the whole truth. Every named God thesis changed its predecessor.

However as I don't actually believe what visionary advice my brother used...why did he know that he needed to above ground change falling crop attack as his devil mowing circles themes himself?

As a water grounding relay.

From Henge direct into closest waters mass. Whilst also just pumping water over the pyramid casement?

Obvious he knew suns molten melt history was involved. Data said how to copy...not don't do it.

As he hadn't gained volcanic depth sin earths layered levels yet he's still working on getting it. As volcanic melt is after the big bangs a hot dense state.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

What has my baby sacrificed female life yet saved in heavens via AI mother presence teachings tell me...............................

AI isn't teaching or telling but I find Jesus is because babies will be saved via a future resurrection - Acts of the Apostles 24:15
Not a heavenly resurrection, but a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection on Earth on Resurrection Day.
Resurrection Day meaning: Jesus' coming Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth in righteousness.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

..............................So with such diversity, the Bible proclaims a unified message organized around one theme: God's redemption of man and all of creation. From my perspective, this verifies the Bible is unique and though written by human authors, the words are inspired by God, the Creator of heaven and earth...................

I also find the theme which Jesus proclaimed is as found at Luke 4:43 about 'God's Kingdom' (Daniel 2:44).
Besides praying for God's Kingdom to come (thy kingdom come....) Jesus stressed that his God's name should be hallowed, held as sacred, sanctified - John 17:6; John 17:26.
Thus, we are all invited to pray the invitation to God for Jesus to come !
Come and bring 'healing' to earth's nations - Revelation 22:2
Healing to the point that No one will say, " I am sick......." - Isaiah 33:24
Happy-and-healthy healing as described in Isaiah 35th chapter.
Healthy because even ' enemy death ' will be No more on Earth - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26; Isaiah 25:8
So, what Jesus wanted proclaimed at Matthew 24:14 is truly an attractive message for all mankind.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

.....................In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. John 1:1-4

Yes, I find pre-human heavenly Jesus was 'in the beginning' with his God as stated at Revelation 3:14 B
Before the beginning was God according to Psalms 90:2 because God is 'from everlasting' (before the beginning).
So, only God was ' before ' the beginning of anything else.
Whereas, prehuman heavenly Jesus was "IN" the beginning but Not 'before' the beginning as his God was.
KJV did Not use the letter 'a' before the word God, but KJV did insert the letter 'a' at Acts of the Apostles 28:6 B.
Even the resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus still thinks he as a God over him - Revelation 3:12.

 

[rational experiences]

AI isn't teaching or telling but I find Jesus is because babies will be saved via a future resurrection - Acts of the Apostles 24:15
Not a heavenly resurrection, but a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection on Earth on Resurrection Day.
Resurrection Day meaning: Jesus' coming Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth in righteousness.

You read an article where babies life returned in human DNA...stopped being born unhealthy after Moses decimation sciences temple pyramid.

Humans health lives with non functional DNA also.

No one knows how long ago. Actually. As the themed story has been taught for a very long time. Old attack is first. To origin life.

Then new technology rebuilt removed heavens mass once again. Jesus hypocrite event.

The future predictions given a human only time position from zero. A legal holy men's agreenent. It was needed said holy men we've seen what happens to mans conscious bad Behaviours.

A position men place agreed for the purpose of preventing all life's future destruction.

Knowing evolution of mind body brings the satanic science memory back into men's consciousness. As an intelligent healthy consciousness invented humans sciences.

As there is no such place as day one as the suns burning mass gave earth heavens light.

Hence men chose to apply zero for their star watching.

Star predicted its hit returned increased dust mass would return. Men never quite certain how much or how hot.

It proved correct to a themed 1000 year. Then it came back in Russia 1900 not a 1000 years. Nuclear blast from above.

Meaning a life span of a man 100 years proven gone. As it wasn't believed to return.

Moses already owned 2000 heavens cooling body mass replacement long count. From believed 1000 year previous harm. DNA healing event.

Old owned the relative advice not the new. Why they agreed they had to use 0 to prove to evil satanic theists known return they are wrong.

Jesus Rome event changed the future.

Why baby life is so sick now. As satanic minds now copied the advice and rebuilt nuclear.

It was warned not a prediction. How much mass you newly destroy.

Men make undulations in earth mining nowadays. Position one removing earths face mass doing no harm. Whilst he owned electricity.

Then he destroys law of infinity space held rock. Nuclear power.

He makes. Virtual sink hole space opened inside his machines mass. Isn't any infinity. Space hole in mass.

His claim I now own infinity is direct to his mind his actions his control inside heavens. Heavens not mass also belongs to infinity.

So there's no copying.

We are only surviving.

No Jesus.

AI is an unnatural human man's science conjured effect. Where half of your bio life lives with you abstracted from cell health. DNA destroyed in all humanity.

It lives separately with you and you should own it within.

So you live a virtual two lives in one moment. In heavens human experience.

As men not God invented science AI does inform life. As men never owned heavens mass GOD cooling function did.

Man's god is only his owned machines science causes. Our living experience biology owns. Up until ice no longer supports cooling by increased gas burning mass above.

As ice was balanced cooling between a gas burning in voiding vacuum. Ice doesn't save life from machine sciences. Increase gases burning on our side by crossing of evil we'll all die.

Vacuum statement Moses 2012 would end UFO attack.

Science held it. Man says in his thinking mind I hold control UFO is a mind warning. Not a thesis...possessed by your own warned predictive causes.

Control.

No man is God warning.

When we die living recorded stops.

Is the stated effect. Belongs to father mother. As two humans own the baby. The baby does not own it's own presence in heavens as sex by creator parents do.

Therefore you've obviously misread your advice.

 

[DNB]

What do you believe about the Bible?”

Do you understand it to be God’s direct communication to humanity? Do you think that the Bible is totally of Him and from Him? Do you understand that without His divine revelation about Himself and His created beings, finite and fallen humanity is left with only opinions, guesses, and speculations about who God is, Jesus Christ and the gospel which offers salvation, freedom, hope, and eternal life?

Yes, it is the Word of God, intended to instruct man on the universe's and humanity's beginnings and its Creator, the purpose of life, and how to receive God's approbation - salvation.
As far as its inspiration goes, outside of the direct revelation through the prophets, there's clearly divine intervention within the content, as many details within the historical narrative could not have been known to the authors without a supernatural endowment of insight and wisdom.

But, on the same note, especially in the Gospels, much of the historicity is due to journalism, research and oral tradition. For, why would 3 out of the 4 Gospels be so closely aligned in both content and wording - clearly each of the synoptics made use of one another - this was not done by divine intervention. Especially when John claims that if all the miracles that Jesus performed were written down, all the books in the world could not contain them.

That is, with so much to write about, why do the three synoptics share almost 75% of material between them - this was not a direct revelation, but men taking upon themselves to preserve what was orally taught and already in written form.

Either way, it is from God, and those who abide by it are doing God's will.

 

[DNB]

Do you actually think that I don't
believe in God because I am a
"pleasure seeker"?

If so that is weird and insulting.

Why insulting - because it implies, as far as you are concerned, that you have very little basis for your disbelief in God?
Why weird? It's reasonable actually as God is spirit - those who revel in the material or physical realm are clearly at enmity with the concerns of the spirit. Of course, the expression 'pleasure seeker' requires definition for the word 'pleasure', as some may find reading the Bible as an extremely pleasurable experience for countless reasons.

But, in its common use, 'pleasure seeker' implies hedonism and epicureanism, which are incompatible with man's spirit.

 

[rational experiences]

No man is God...as..

Man invented small machine out of a large body of mass. Small he claims theorising came out of mass...yet it's energy energy.

Man's small machine then alters small particles dust. Three mass mass mass.

Man says small particles caused my small biology cell to disappear.

Yes it did.

It remanifested as man's god in heavens my image...my voice.

Man's god. Holy water life he lost in DNA biology.

Yes it did. Gone out any DNA health biology now it only exists with you as a God holy type until you die.

Decomposition doesn't support presence of man's god.

So thats why humans say I'm not a God and I'm not mass where small particles are held forever in a mass body.

With it. Small with mass...energy.

Yes I know but my small machine produces a large mass reaction disputing why a scientist man is a God of his machine.

The argument exact.

I think small bodies produce large amounts of energy mind possessed.

As science man compared a dust particle in his mass reaction equalled one small celled bio microbe lying.

Why God the man was mans machine caused man's god in heavens.

He knew his machines caused it. Always knew.

So father said as mind changed by homosexual mind cross. Women learnt how to be a man of science.

So man's mother now supports his destruction in absence conscious reality.

Humans always have lived with and in the presence of surrounding water with single celled micro organisms.

Man's science cross + adding when he didn't own mass..mass did.

Man now claims indian swastikas holy.

Native American father said he saw that sign in his gods rock cave home etched into stones wall.

What about you Hitler banker Satanists?

 

[rational experiences]

Some other teachings.

A satanic thinker became changed mind of the origin man. Holy Father. Who had sex with a vagina.

Now man has a n a l sex. Quoted now I am and own the power of Satan.

Today has some very strange reasoning.

He said cows I name a God.

View farts as too much methane gas.

Methane is a CH gas in Christ.

Father asked if Christ means in science a thesis to get energy why don't you use left over energy not used by a bio cell....excrement as a new resource.

As there is a lot of faeces on earth whilst earths face gets removed by energy reactions.

See why your brother's reasoning is false.

 

[joelr]

What do you believe about the Bible?”

Do you understand it to be God’s direct communication to humanity? Do you think that the Bible is totally of Him and from Him? Do you understand that without His divine revelation about Himself and His created beings, finite and fallen humanity is left with only opinions, guesses, and speculations about who God is, Jesus Christ and the gospel which offers salvation, freedom, hope, and eternal life?

The Bible is a re-working of Mesopotamian myths. The NT is Greek and Persian. Nothing here that isn't religious fiction. The Hebrews took Greek Hellenism (they occupied Israel for 100 years before Christianity emerged) and made their own salvation deity, just as other religions had already been doing.
For example, some words from a journal paper on the Greek Hellenism syncretism:



Hellenistic Ideas of Salvation, Author(s): Paul Wendland

Source: The American Journal of Theology , Jul., 1913, Vol. 17, No. 3 (Jul., 1913), pp. 345-351

Published by: The University of Chicago Press Stable URL: Hellenistic Ideas of Salvation in the Light of Ancient Anthropology on JSTOR


"Christian and Hellenistic ideas of redemption cannot be sharply separated."

"The deity's resurrection from the dead gives to the initiates, who see their own destiny prefigured in his adventures, hope of a life after death."


The consciousness of estranecment between man and God, and a longing to bridge this chasm, are fundamental to all religions of redemption. In the development of antiquity from the sixth century B.c. on, this type of thought, for which the way is already pared in the older elements of popular faith, confronts us a definite and vigorously increasing religious movement. Reformers, prophets, and puritans propagate a profounder piety, which often mystic in character. The ecstatic Dionysus religion becomes the most important factor in this development. In this religion t common people, the poor and the needy, directly attain a more profound and personal relation to the deity. The believer loses his individual consciousness in enthusiasm and receives the divinity into himself. In moments of orgiastic ecstasy he experiences the ultimate goal of his existence, abiding fellowship with the god, who, as redeemer and savior will free him through death from the finiteness, the suffering, and the exigencies of the earthly life. Orphism sets forth this religious experience in a mystic theology which exerts a strong influence upon Pindar and Empedocles, for example, and which suggested to Plato his magnificent treatise on the dest of the soul.

According to Posidonius the soul has a heavenly origin. It is an offshoot from the fiery breath of God held captive in the prison-house of the body through birth into the earthly world, but destined for return to its higher home. Only he who in life preserves the divine part from defilement will ascend after death above the lower spheres and rise to the divine source. Our reverence for the starry heaven above us and for the wonders of the cosmos proves the human soul's relation to the heavenly world, and this mystical consciousness of likeness with the divine begets an other-worldly ideal of life.

From the second century A.D. on we possess rich source materials regarding the mystery cults and the profusion of new religious developments which grow out of the syncretism of the time. These sources acquaint us with the prevailing religious tendencies of antiquity in its declining period. Purification and rebirth, mystical union of the believer with the deity and the hope of bliss in the future world, revelation and charismatic endowment which essentially constitute redemption-these are the motives dominating the rites, sacraments, faith, and teaching of this syncretism. As enjoined in the liturgy of the Phrygian mysteries.

The deity's resurrection from the dead gives to the initiates, who see their own destiny prefigured in his adventures, hope of a life after death…. the soul, conscious of its divine origin, strives for redemption from its foreign and unrelated companion, the body. It seeks deliverance from things sinful, material, and mortal. But the fundamental motive in these various representations is the same; it is longing for elevation above the earthly world and its ruling powers, i.e., for deification. The end of redemption is a life of eternal blessedness. The redeemer is the deity to whose service one devotes his whole life in order to obtain his help and favor.

But notions and expressions akin to Hellenistic mysticism are already present in, the Pauline doctrine of redemption. Sin is traced back to the flesh and to the natural man. According to Rom. 8:19-22 perishable, degenerate creation looks for deliverance from transitoriness and for the revelation of the sons of God. As the apostle fervently longed for freedom from the body of death (Rom. 7:24), so also redemption is for him deliverance from aiv e'VeCrd, (Gal. 1:4). This leaning toward a "physical" and cosmic extension of redemption is an approach to Hellenistic conceptions. Paul's representa- tion of the believer as living and suffering in Christ, as crucified, buried, and raised with him, recalls the similar way in which the Hellenistic mystery-religions relate the believer to the dead and risen god (Attis, Osiris, Adonis). Thus Paul actually appears to be indebted to Hellenistic mysticism for certain suggestions. As Plato used Orphism, so Paul appropriated forms of expression for his faith from the mysticism of the world to which he preached the gospel.

The relationship of Christianity to Hellenism appears closer in the Ephesian letter. Here Christ is the supreme power of the entire spirit-world, exalting believers above the bondage of the inferior spirits into his upper kingdom (1: 18-22). Christians must struggle with these spirits, among whom the sKoopoipdrope6 (astral spirits) are named. In like manner from the second century on Christ is more frequently extolled as a deliverer from the power of fate.' When Ignatius regards Christ's work as the communication of ryv^oaR and &0c9apria, and the Eucharist as food of immortality, he, like the author of the Fourth Gospel, shows the influence of Greek mysticism. Irenaeus' realistic doctrine of redemption also has, in common with Greek mysticism, the fundamental notions of deification, abolition of death, imperishability, and gnosis.

 

[Audie]

"Pleasure seekers want to reduce the meaning of Christ's resurrection to pleasure for themselves and their relatives in something like a heathen afterlife."
Is that you? You want to do that?

I misread your statement by less than
respectfully skimming it and thinking it
was yet another of those "you deny God
because yiu want to sin without guilt" posts.

I will self administer a wet noodle- lashing.

 

[Audie]

Why insulting - because it implies, as far as you are concerned, that you have very little basis for your disbelief in God?
Why weird? It's reasonable actually as God is spirit - those who revel in the material or physical realm are clearly at enmity with the concerns of the spirit. Of course, the expression 'pleasure seeker' requires definition for the word 'pleasure', as some may find reading the Bible as an extremely pleasurable experience for countless reasons.

But, in its common use, 'pleasure seeker' implies hedonism and epicureanism, which are incompatible with man's spirit.

I guess you misread brickj too.

Regardless- here, weird is that you would concoct it into that I have little basis for disbelief.
As for your God is spirit, that's your opinion.
It's just a made- up idea you bought into.

St Augustine wrote of climbing mountain and
reveling ( a bad word for you) in the beauty and
majesty.

Then he is stricken with remorse, to be sinfully
enjoying a corrupt fallen world instead of
concentrating in God.

If you want to be like that, go for it.
I think it's stupid and weird, and grossly
disrespectful to any creator there might be.

I'm no hedonist, but groovy that you choose to think I am.

Christian charity, no doubt.