Proof,the bane of all religions.
I do not see that is the case.
The proof is the bane of those that do not accept it as proof, otherwise it is sound and logical.
Thus truth is relative.
Regards Tony
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Proof,the bane of all religions.
I do not see that is the case.
The proof is the bane of those that do not accept it as proof, otherwise it is sound and logical.
Thus truth is relative.
Regards Tony
I do not see that is the case.
The proof is the bane of those that do not accept it as proof, otherwise it is sound and logical.
Thus truth is relative.
Regards Tony[/QUOTE
I guess it’s how high you set the bar for proof but logic is what it is.
Then why do you reject the physical resurrection of Jesus? If you believe Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead? But really... Baha'is believe the miracles in the Bible really happened? Unfortunately, that might be worse than not believing them. So, Elijah was carried off on a fiery chariot? Jonah survived inside a big fish for three days. And Baha'is believe Jesus cast out demons and walked on water? I don't see why Baha'is would believe these things, since so many go against science. But okay, if you say so. But I guess that makes Abdul Baha' wrong about the resurrection of Jesus? Or that's different? And that was symbolic?We do not reject the miracles CG. To say more repeats numerous old conversations we have had.
Mostly the miracles have deep eternal meanings. Most likely Jesus did bring a dead man back to life, similar things happen with each Messenger.
What is the point of bringing a dead man back to life though CG, when death will only again result.
The whole wisdom behind that mirical is our spiritual birth, to be born again where death does not overtake us. The scriptures have many passages outside the miracle to explain this.
Why do you thing Jesus asked the disciples to tell no one? Yet they disobeyed and Jesus had to give many more passages to explain that wisdom.
Regards Tony
Then why do you reject the physical resurrection of Jesus?
If you believe Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead? But really... Baha'is believe the miracles in the Bible really happened? Unfortunately, that might be worse than not believing them. So, Elijah was carried off on a fiery chariot? Jonah survived inside a big fish for three days. And Baha'is believe Jesus cast out demons and walked on water? I don't see why Baha'is would believe these things, since so many go against science. But okay, if you say so. But I guess that makes Abdul Baha' wrong about the resurrection of Jesus? Or that's different? And that was symbolic?
It's not a matter of "dwelling" on the flesh. Lots of people don't believe the resurrection and other Bible stories. The problem is that Baha'is claim they believe in all the major religions and believe, sort of, in the Scriptures of those religions. Abdul Baha' makes the resurrection a completely symbolic thing. The NT writers make it a real event. And it was important for Christians to have a risen savior. A God/man that conquered death and Satan. Fiction? Yes, I can believe that. But I might be wrong. And that's the difference. What Baha'is claim has to be 100% right.We do not reject the flesh CG, we are born into flesh.
Jesus told us not to put important on the flesh CG, so the better question may be why do people put important on the flesh?
Regards Tony
So, do you believe Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead and cast demons out of people and walked on water? I think there is a good chance all those things were just the writer embellishing the story to make Jesus a miracle man. But Baha'is believe they really happened but aren't all that important? I don't think Baha'is really believe that? I think lots of Baha'is will explain them away by making them symbolic.You have to decide what you beleive CG.
For me, I got to read all those Bible Passages in the knowledge of what Baha'u'llah offered. So I was not attached to any prior interpretation on those passages.
In the end, I do not need to dwell on them, as all the truth they contain, is contained in the Messages that came after Christ, so the Quran and the Bab's Writings also give meaning those Miracles.
I wish you all the best as you explore all those possibilities.
Regards Tony
It's not a matter of "dwelling" on the flesh. Lots of people don't believe the resurrection and other Bible stories. The problem is that Baha'is claim they believe in all the major religions and believe, sort of, in the Scriptures of those religions. Abdul Baha' makes the resurrection a completely symbolic thing. The NT writers make it a real event. And it was important for Christians to have a risen savior. A God/man that conquered death and Satan. Fiction? Yes, I can believe that. But I might be wrong. And that's the difference. What Baha'is claim has to be 100% right.
You act as if this one verse you found about the flesh amounting to nothing is enough to make the resurrection unimportant. But Baha'is don't only make it unimportant, they deny it even happened. And that goes against what the gospels say did happen. Which, again, would not be a big deal if Baha'is didn't also claim that the Bible is true. And by true, Baha'is really mean that some of it is true, some of it isn't literally true, but symbolically true, and some of it you don't know.
So, do you believe Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead and cast demons out of people and walked on water? I think there is a good chance all those things were just the writer embellishing the story to make Jesus a miracle man. But Baha'is believe they really happened but aren't all that important? I don't think Baha'is really believe that? I think lots of Baha'is will explain them away by making them symbolic.
I agree. It's a great testing ground. That's why I don't rule out reincarnation. Why only put a soul through the test only once? Why not put the soul in different bodies, in different situations, and at different times?As to this world CG, it is a test for us all, it is perfect testing ground for the potential of our spiritual capacity,
I agree. It's a great testing ground. That's why I don't rule out reincarnation. Why only put a soul through the test only once? Why not put the soul in different bodies, in different situations, and at different times?
They do not come as scientists, they come to guide us to find our spiritual self.
All that science can find, the apex of scientific discovery, is that there is only God. So Faith and Science are in this reality the wings of one bird.
Science and faith are a gift, only when used to progress the conciousness of humanity in finding unity of purpose.
Regards Tony
They have a plan for peace. They want the people of the world to listen to them and adopt that plan. But why should the people of the world listen to them? Do they have any credibility? You've investigated their scientific claims and found them lacking. I've looked at, and I'd imagine you have too, their claims of fulfilled prophecies? Lacking. Their claims of progressive revelation? Lacking. Other than that, they are a fine religion... only if their claims were believable... that is... to people other than themselves.
Why explain that an ether exists in empty space?
This is pure nonsense and almost delusional. Science has never discovered any God? The consensus is there is no theistic deity operating and this runs through all the sciences.
As you write this on a computer????????
Ether is a spiritual an intelligible reality, not a sensible reality and fills the voids. There is no empty space.
"Even the ether, the forces of which are said in natural philosophy to be heat, light, electricity, and magnetism, is an intelligible and not a sensible reality.
".... the heavens are a restrained wave because a void is impossible and inconceivable...."
Not sure how this will tie back into science, but it does.
Regards Tony
That is just indicative as to how wrong about reality that some, not all, scientist can choose to be.
Regards Tony
Look at the binary code that made all the Web and AI possible.
The letters B & E were joined an knit together and God gave us creation and then expanded it with the Word of God.
Why is it so hard to beleive that there is intelligence guiding humanity?
Regards Tony