Does God Make Mistakes?

[Dogknox20]

How can babies be wicked? How can babies have evil thoughts?

Please don't just preach at me with Bible verses. Try your own words please.


I will say that babies will not grow up and have a heart "that was only evil all of the time." Where'd you come up with that?

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SkepticThinker I hope all is well....
You asked... Please don't just preach at me with Bible verses. Try your own words please.

I reply: Today; fact babies are destroyed by Abortion doctors! Innocent babies are killed so the mother can have a longer vacation!! Solving a problem by a decision that will have forever consequences!
God knows beyond all doubt, where each soul will end up in the next life! The Innocent will end up in heaven "FOREVER" the wicked will end up with Satan in Gehenna "FOREVER"! The wicked are the children of Satan they will burn with him FOREVER!

Matthew 25:41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

SkepticThinker Those who do not Love will not go to Paradise!

SkepticThinker this is a FACT you will not live FOREVER here on earth; you will die AND BE JUDGED; die from a heart attack or a flood etc you will die!
SkepticThinker The Innocent will end up in heaven "FOREVER" You ask "How can babies be wicked?" The simple answer is "They can't"! Did they die in the flood YES because all die anyway, our goal is not a life here on earth the goal of each should be FOREVER LIFE in Paradise! The Innocent (The Babies) ended up in heaven "FOREVER"!

 

[Dogknox20]

Yes, I'm OK.

Actually I'm not arguing with God, I don't have enough knowledge of any such being to do so. What I'm arguing with is the idea that destroying the whole human race, innocent and guilty alike, is the hallmark of a benevolent supreme being. And it is not, by any human standards of benevolence. And if you are going to argue that God's morality as practiced by him is different from the morality he wants us to follow, then I give up. It makes God a liar for a start.

No doubt the babies, in that society, would have at least tended to evil. But all of them? We know of one that didn't, Noah himself!

I'll diverge and say the difficulty you are having supporting your viewpoint stems from your rigid adherence to the inerrancy of the scriptures. It goes like this. It's bad to wipe out an entire species when other measures still remain. But it says in the Bible that God did just that! God doesn't make mistakes and is totally good, hmmm. Better find a way to explain it while maintaining the goodness of God. And we get lots of tortured explanations. How about considering that the scriptures might just be wrong? No so difficult. And frankly, there's no need for the entire Bible to be literally true for it to have great value.

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Alien826 you will not live on earth forever... BUT!

Alien826 but you will live forever in Paradise or forever in Gehenna, FOREVER is a long time! Each person should have Paradise as a goal to achieve in this life on earth! It is just this simple: The Innocent will end up in Paradise the wicked will end up with Satan in Gehenna FOREVER; They are his Children!
LOOK...
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

If not, what was the flood about?

According to the Bible, God has, in fact, made mistakes. For instance, Genesis 6:6-7 states that God regretted not only creating man but also creating every animal and everything that crawls on the earth and the birds of the air. There are also scriptures in the Bible that speak of God having regrets other than just creating humanity and all the animals and birds (1 Samuel 15:11; 2 Samuel 24:16; Jeremiah 42:10). Moreover, the Bible speaks of God relenting from the disasters that he had decided to bring down upon his own people as punishment for their transgressions against him (Jeremiah 26:13, 1 Chronicles 21:15, Joel 2:13). It's clear God isn't perfect.

There are Bible versions that use the word "repent" or the past tense of repent instead of using relent. For the record, Jeremiah 26:13, 1 Chronicles 21:15, and Joel 2:13 coincide with Isaiah 45:7 (NIV), which says, "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things." The New King James Version uses the word "calamity" instead of "disaster," and the King James Version uses the word "evil" and not "disaster" or "calamity." The word used in the verse depends on the Bible version.

There are also scriptures which claim that God never changes, such as Numbers 23:19, which says, "God is not a man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said it, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?" And Malachi 3:6 says, "I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed." However, other verses imply that God changes his mind (Jeremiah 18:5–10; Joel 2:13; Jonah 4:2), describe God changing his mind (Exodus 32:14; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 3:10), or assume that God will change his mind (Jeremiah 26:3; Joel 2:14; Jonah 3:9). It's clear that these verses contradict the first two.

Amos 7:3 "The Lord changed His mind about this. "It shall not be," said the LORD.

Amos 7:6 "The Lord changed His mind about this. "This too shall not be," said the Lord God.

Exodus 32:14 "So the Lord changed His mind about the harm that He said He would do to His people."

Jonah 3:10 "When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil ways, he relented on the disaster that he had said he would do to them, and he did not do it."

Jeremiah 26:3 "Perhaps they will listen and each one will turn back from his evil way, and I will change my mind concerning the calamity that I intend to bring on them because of their evil deeds."

 

[Kenny]

If not, what was the flood about?

Correcting man's exponentially deteriorated morals.

He still is in the driver's seat and will bring it back to full circle.

 

[Alien826]

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Alien826 you will not live on earth forever... BUT!

Alien826 but you will live forever in Paradise or forever in Gehenna, FOREVER is a long time! Each person should have Paradise as a goal to achieve in this life on earth! It is just this simple: The Innocent will end up in Paradise the wicked will end up with Satan in Gehenna FOREVER; They are his Children!
LOOK...
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

So, you are really not interested in a sensible discussion. When in doubt, preach, preach preach. Do you really not understand that Bible verses mean nothing to someone who doesn't believe the Bible is the "word of god"?

This will be my last response.

 

[Dogknox20]

According to the Bible, God has, in fact, made mistakes. For instance, Genesis 6:6-7 states that God regretted not only creating man but also creating every animal and everything that crawls on the earth and the birds of the air. There are also scriptures in the Bible that speak of God having regrets other than just creating humanity and all the animals and birds (1 Samuel 15:11; 2 Samuel 24:16; Jeremiah 42:10). Moreover, the Bible speaks of God relenting from the disasters that he had decided to bring down upon his own people as punishment for their transgressions against him (Jeremiah 26:13, 1 Chronicles 21:15, Joel 2:13). It's clear God isn't perfect.

There are Bible versions that use the word "repent" or the past tense of repent instead of using relent. For the record, Jeremiah 26:13, 1 Chronicles 21:15, and Joel 2:13 coincide with Isaiah 45:7 (NIV), which says, "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things." The New King James Version uses the word "calamity" instead of "disaster," and the King James Version uses the word "evil" and not "disaster" or "calamity." The word used in the verse depends on the Bible version.

There are also scriptures which claim that God never changes, such as Numbers 23:19, which says, "God is not a man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said it, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?" And Malachi 3:6 says, "I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed." However, other verses imply that God changes his mind (Jeremiah 18:5–10; Joel 2:13; Jonah 4:2), describe God changing his mind (Exodus 32:14; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 3:10), or assume that God will change his mind (Jeremiah 26:3; Joel 2:14; Jonah 3:9). It's clear that these verses contradict the first two.

Amos 7:3 "The Lord changed His mind about this. "It shall not be," said the LORD.

Amos 7:6 "The Lord changed His mind about this. "This too shall not be," said the Lord God.

Exodus 32:14 "So the Lord changed His mind about the harm that He said He would do to His people."

Jonah 3:10 "When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil ways, he relented on the disaster that he had said he would do to them, and he did not do it."

Jeremiah 26:3 "Perhaps they will listen and each one will turn back from his evil way, and I will change my mind concerning the calamity that I intend to bring on them because of their evil deeds."

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Sgt. Pepper & Nakosis God is perfect! God cannot change his mind

Matthew 5:48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Sgt. Pepper God is an infinite, uncreated spirit; God created space and time he is OUTSIDE of space and time this means you don’t change! Theologians have a concept they talk about sometimes called progressive revelation. This means: God did not dump all truth on man at once! The Bible was written over a period of about 1100 years. We had to be slowly introduced to truth!
Think: In Genesis we see Satan portrayed as a Snake! All men know beyond all doubt "Snakes are dangerous", all know instantly, Adam did not defend his woman from danger, all know it is the man's job to protect the family! Question was Satan a snake? Answer is: Does not matter the point got across by portraying Satan as a snake!

The scriptures have God changing his mind, this is to get a certain point across! In the case of Moses, it portrays Moses as an Advocate! Moses is a type of Christ (Also an advocate on behalf of man)! Moses held up a bronze serpent on a stick. Serpents are dangerous but not bronze serpents! All who looked to the bronze serpent lived! Jesus is also lifted up... All who look to Jesus also live, the bronze serpent is without venom>>> Jesus is without sin!
The scriptures slowly introduce us to God!

 

[Alien826]

Correcting man's exponentially deteriorated morals.

He still is in the driver's seat and will bring it back to full circle.

But, that wasn't a correction it was wiping the slate clean and starting over.

We don't seem to be in very good shape now. Should we be worried about another "correction" do you think?

 

[Dogknox20]

So, you are really not interested in a sensible discussion. When in doubt, preach, preach preach. Do you really not understand that Bible verses mean nothing to someone who doesn't believe the Bible is the "word of god"?

This will be my last response.

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Who said preaching???!
I was asked "Do the children die because of the adults?! I was also asked not to use scriptures! HOW....
Alien826 how else would you get to the answer without scripture!

I think you do not like the truth so instantly I am preaching! FACT: Babies are innocent. The innocent gets into paradise the wicked do not! God flooded the earth because man was wicked!

 

[Dogknox20]

So, you are really not interested in a sensible discussion. When in doubt, preach, preach preach. Do you really not understand that Bible verses mean nothing to someone who doesn't believe the Bible is the "word of god"?

This will be my last response.

And you post # 79 (above) is not a form of preaching!?

 

[rational experiences]

Once no creation of anything existed.

Hence theorising is fake.

How a human knows is because humans named ground substances. Named all things living with them.

Pretended my human words explained why everything existed outright lying.

Then they went about attacking ground substances what they walked on...then caused creation to attack our life.

All things got attacked.

So we live with innate constant human liars.

I can quote from hurt life experience the creator didn't lovingly cause it.

So it could only be a mistake if any human quotes a loving being is the highest being. And a loving being does no harm.

To then quote another reasoning how and why a loving pre existed had always existed body decided to change its owned presence.

To thesis a thought concept the body owns a hole in it named space. Space existed as what it once was got burnt. And what it once was first hadn't been burning.

So my brother told me he inferred space as the womb of its creator that had always existed the eternal type.

He then said logic by my realisation it was a language spirit communicator that got bodily separated.

That to observe what you weren't meant.
1 eternal mass not changed
2 eternal spirit living inside.
3 language spirit that arose out of surrounds disappeared.

Position I'm inquisitive. I'll hold it to look at it.

O how to hold it.
O why it was forced backwards.
O moved away into stretch.
Burst burnt turned the womb of separation.

Gods O became it's babies bodies.

Is quite acceptable as a teaching in my belief.

As I'm a human. I don't lie. I love honour respect all things. I don't believe in destroying and it makes me cry to think other humans do.

Is why I say the creator very loving made a mistake.

Secondly as my parents came from it into the heavens.

My baby brother self idolator mind gone proves he lied. As he had not returned as a human baby man into the eternal. He remembered only where our parents came from...he was born by sex.

Clouds however existed.
He burnt the clouds made them fall...clouds still existed. Clouds just remassed above.

Water below cooled the burning gases did not return into a clouds form.

It evaporated to make the gas cold gas.

Clouds are eternal hell and were never ever any human man.

As a monkey can live exist as the monkey when a man dies. If all humans died monkeys having sex would still live.

As all the proof a lying human owns to say why you were never a cloud satanic scientist.

 

[1213]

The OT God is not love. Love does not flood the world it forgives and shows people a better way.....

What if after good way is shown, people still are evil and violent and reject God's guidance? Should God allow people to make life eternal hellish suffering for all?

 

[Kenny]

But, that wasn't a correction it was wiping the slate clean and starting over.

We don't seem to be in very good shape now. Should we be worried about another "correction" do you think?

To be fair, to wipe the slate clean and starting over would have mean having a new set of beings created IMV.

No correction at this time since the third Temple hasn't been constructed yet.

In the interim, at least in view of my signature, correction happens every time someone receives the work of Jesus into their lives. That experience is a clean slate because we become a new creature and what was is gone, our spirits are brand new. A creation that never existed before.

 

[Audie]

Fair enough. I looks in the mirror and says "why God?" most every day.

Mo comma after "why"?

 

[Nakosis]

Mo comma after "why"?

Mo?
Larry, Curly & ?

 

[Audie]

Mo?
Larry, Curly & ?

No

 

[Muffled]

If not, what was the flood about?

I believe He does not. I believe it was ethnic cleansing. God wanted a people for Himself but the population was mixed.

 

[Muffled]

In various ways entropy could easy wipe all of us out. And I'm not even talking human entropic, like war or nuclear bombs. The entropy of nature cannot be controlled to mind living things, yet, so it is up to us to try to survive such encounters. But to say that entropy is all bad is incorrect too, without the entropy of the Universe the asteroid that caused the ice age and killed all the dinosaurs wouldn't have happened.

Now, you might ask yourself, what does entropy have anything to do with God? The eternal spacetime is The Omniverse, whereas the eternal forces of it, entropy and extropy, are part of my Godhood idea, by myself becoming trinitarian pantheist. In only one point of view does God or entropy make mistakes, and that is determined by whoever is alive at that time. Was it a mistake for the dinosaurs to become instinct due to Universal entropy? The dinosaurs would think so, but we would find that to be a benefit to us, because without that happening humans would never be able to survive on Earth.

Another ice age is inevitable on Earth but by then we'll exist on planets with conditions superior to that. Our lineage will exist forever in some way. Our extropic output is so rapidly increasing now that once we establish full unity among our species, we'll never go back.

I believe we have an asteroid comin that can wipe us out according to the internet.

I have been on other planets in other lives but wouldn't say they were better but then I haven't been to Paradise.

 

[Muffled]

Well it follows God makes mistakes because God is a product of the human mind that is prone for mistakes.

The mythological flood myth is soundly debunked.

I believe you are right that humans make mistakes and your flood view is one of them.
I believe the evidence is that God is not a human construct.

 

[Alien826]

To be fair, to wipe the slate clean and starting over would have mean having a new set of beings created IMV.

I agree. An all knowing God would have known that the descendants of Noah would have turned out no better than the original bunch, which goes directly to the question in the OP. Does God make mistakes? Despite all the wriggling by theists, I think it's pretty obvious that, according to this particular story, the answer is "yes". And it also calls into question other supposed "omni" features of God, like omniscience.

There's a too often quoted definition of insanity, which is repeating the same actions and expecting a different result. I'm not too fond of that saying as it's too simplistic by far, and I would never <cough> accuse God of being insane <glances nervously at an approaching cloud>, but some explanation is needed as to why God didn't revamp the design.

Of course, the simplest explanation, and one accepted by most Christians I believe, is that we are arguing over mythology and it doesn't have to stand up to such a rigid critique. No doubt there is some truth behind it, such as a local flood, but we will never know and it doesn't matter.

No correction at this time since the third Temple hasn't been constructed yet.

<Wipes brow> that's a relief.

In the interim, at least in view of my signature, correction happens every time someone receives the work of Jesus into their lives. That experience is a clean slate because we become a new creature and what was is gone, our spirits are brand new. A creation that never existed before.

That's better! I can relate to that, though ... no let's not start a new line of discussion,

 

[Alien826]

I believe the evidence is that God is not a human construct.

The evidence overwhelmingly points to "God" being a human construct. The evidence is all the different concepts of God that the different religions have come up with.

That doesn't mean there isn't some real God somewhere, nor that some or even all religions have some handle on the truth, no matter how tenuous, but that what is believed about God by humans is very much something they have constructed in their minds.