stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Even if he does not realize that, right?
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Right. And we atheists save ourselves. So any given person has their own savior and it won’t be relevant to others.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe there is only one way to salvation. There are other suggested ways but they don't work.
Sure, but you could be wrong, right?
Or is your judgment infallible as if a god yourself?
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe it is true because in my knowledge and experience there is no other.
Salvation has a meaning in Judaism that Christianity changed. But even the Christian meaning is only relevant within Christianity. It has no meaning or authority outside of Christianity.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe I have God in me who knows all things.
So what? It’s what you believe. Others believe differently. Your beliefs are limited to you and your mind. If you want to convince others your belief is more correct then provide facts and a coherent explanation. Faith isn’t good enough.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
It's easily proven whether or not you have access to God's complete knowledge.
What did I have for dinner last night? Please be specific.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
As I stated in another thread (see here), the savior story associated with Jesus (being crucified and hung on a tree; dying to redeem humanity; descending into the underworld after death; and being raised from the dead on the third day) isn't the first of its kind, nor is the virgin birth of a deity or a man performing supernatural miracles. Both Greek mythology and other ancient pagan religions have Christ-like savior stories that precede the Bible and Christianity. Based on my own studies and research, I now believe that Christianity has been heavily influenced by paganism, and it isn't unique in its biblical teaching nor its assertions of the supernatural. Honestly, I don't believe that the savior narrative of Jesus Christ redeeming humanity deserves any more credence than other Christ-like stories from Greek mythology and other ancient pagan religions that predate both the Bible and Christianity. It is just another savior story.
And I believe the Gods give us the tools to save ourselves.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Chicken and cheese? Not super kosher. But nice try.Chicken cordon bleu, potatoes and asparagus
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
If it's true what you claim, then would you mind telling me why God didn't intervene and prevent me from being abused, mistreated, and bullied while I was growing up, despite my desperate prayers to him asking him to save me; or why he didn't intervene in the lives of other adults who suffered abuse and neglect as children; or why he doesn't intervene in the lives of children who are being abused today? And while you're at it, do you mind telling me why God doesn't prevent thousands of innocent children from being molested or raped by some of his churches' clergy or Christian organization leaders, such as Catholic priests, leaders in Southern Baptist churches, Boy Scout leaders, or by other Christians, like a Christian parent or another Christian relative? And don't try to use the ad nauseam rationalization of "free will" as a cop-out, because that's all it is, a pathetic cop-out to explain away the blatantly apathetic, repulsive, and reprehensible behavior of a supposedly "loving, merciful, and just" God. If God is in you as you claim, then what are the answers?
I had to look up ‘Pope Francis’ because your use of the past tense made it sound as if he [just recently] passed away.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
Where did he say that he had all knowledge? He didn't.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
There's a big difference between having God in you and knowing everything God knows.
And this concerns you how?
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
He implied it. You'd need to see the previous posts to see it.
The claim "I have God in me who knows all things" was a response to "is your judgement infallible". He's saying that he believes that he is infallible because he has God in him. The only way to be infallible is to have access to all of God's knowledge.
Anyway, that's how I read it. Muffled can correct me if I'm wrong and maybe put some qualifications on his access to God's knowledge.