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Maybe the election was stolen?
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Harriet Hageman defeats Liz Cheney in Wyoming primary
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Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Ex-president Trump escalated Obama's drone wars and made them more secretive:
"The Trump administration has carried out 176 strikes in Yemen in just two years, compared with 154 there during all eight years of Obama’s tenure..."
"Trump has peeled back all of those requirements because, well, he can. We now know more than we did about U.S. drone wars when Obama first took office, but less than when he left."
Under Donald Trump, drone strikes far exceed Obama's numbers
He used a modern bomb for the first time:
"Fourteen years after it was deemed ready to use, the U.S. unleashed the moab for the first time in combat on Thursday, at 7:32 p.m., against an isis affiliate in Afghanistan’s eastern Nangarhar Province, along the border with Pakistan."
Trump Drops the Mother of All Bombs on Afghanistan
He also expanded US nuclear weapons:
"In his single term in the White House, Donald Trump expanded America’s nuclear arsenal and undermined decades of arms-control efforts."
Donald Trump Is A Nuclear President—His Legacy Is More Nukes, Fewer Controls
Suggesting the former President "never started any wars" as if he was a peaceful President is misleading propaganda.
It appears some are leaning that way.
PureX
Veteran Member
Well, there's the one he tried to start in the US. And is still threatening.
Callisto
Hellenismos, BTW
Not any foreign ones, mainly because he longs to be an autocrat too. Besides, he was too busy attacking the Constitution and democracy, wanting to turn the military into his personal police force, failing that he riled up his minions and attempted a coup. But, like his many business ventures, thankfully he failed at that too.
This is true to some extent, although that doesn't exactly make them peaceniks. I don't think Trump was an isolationist, either. His attacks on Syria and the assassination of an Iranian general would indicate that he was very much in the interventionist camp.
What do you know of the candidate replacing her?
I know nothing of her. So I don't know who is
worse. But Cheney at least opposes Trump &
his dangerous cult following.
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I've read a little about here.
The most significant thing is that this once
pro-Cheney anti-Trump politician has joined
Trump's cult, claiming that he's the greatest
President of all time. This should be of great
concern to anyone opposing Cheney.
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He tried very hard to start a civil war on January 6, 2021. A President against his own people -- that's more heinous than foreign war.
Was it ever going to be otherwise? Of course not, and not even Cheney thought she was going to win. And that fact makes her stance against Donald Trump and the loonier members of her party even more courageous.
Look, I know Cheney is conservative. So are lots of people. But she is also sane, and she has a sense of right and wrong that inform her actions. I can admire that.
I am not conservative, myself, but I know that throughout our lives we will be governed by liberals and conservatives, back and forth, forth and back. This is a simple fact of how our democracies work. I can live with either liberals or conservatives in government, so long as they are reasonable. But the conservative party that the Republicans are turning into is so far from reasonable that you should despair for the near future of your country. And if you could bring yourself to look without your convervative blinders on, you just might.
He also began an attack on Iran, but called it off
before the actual strike. So I'm cautious about
giving him credit for not starting a war. That
would've been a big, long, & disastrous one.
Note also that he didn't end the Afghanistan war,
despite having the power to do so.
I heard that she was against Trump and supported Cruz in 2016, but at some point, she changed and started supporting Trump. I also read that her legal career has characterized her as anti-environmentalist.
She also still -- completely falsely -- maintains that the 2020 election was rigged. That she is an attorney would have suggested to me at least some small notion of how the law works, and that the law has determined over and over again that what she maintains is false.
I'm just not altogether sure that electing either stupidity or dishonesty deliberately to high office is particularly wise. So I suppose the US should consider itself fortunate that there are fewer Wyomingites than any other state -- and a couple of territories, to boot.
But to MAGA cult members & the anyone-but-Cheney
crowd, Harriet Hageman is da bomb.
tytlyf
Not Religious
He got close to starting one with Iran.
Seven Days in January: How Trump Pushed U.S. and Iran to the Brink of War (Published 2020)
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With the acceptation of within his own country.
exchemist
Veteran Member
No surprise, but sad to see another yet another grovelling protofascist has been chosen in her place.
What Cheney might do is make a run for president as an independent. There must still be a lot of "never Trumper" people around with traditional Republican sympathies, whose votes she could syphon off.
Anyway, whatever she does, Liz Cheney has evidently decided it is more important for her, at 56, to be on the right side of history than to secure another term in the Senate. I salute her for that.
Yes, Cheney will be on the seen long after Trump is gone. (For good and bad)
I don't know who has blinders on at the moment, but from what I can tell, there appears to be an active effort to practically force people to take sides, one way or the other. It's not even about America anymore, it's turned into some battle of "good vs. evil," the Jedi Knights vs. the villainous Sith. It's hard to take seriously when the rhetoric and narrative takes this comic book approach to U.S. politics.
Whatever political battle is taking place at present, it doesn't seem to be about whether all Americans have enough food, or whether they can find affordable housing, access to affordable healthcare, education, or many other issues which still tend to fester but never really get addressed in earnest. If there's any kind of fight coming, it doesn't appear to be over these tangible issues, but more about abstract ideals. "Different dreams."
It's also not really about which side is more warlike or peaceful.
What could likely happen, as the Republicans move further to the far right, one of the consequences would be a more disjointed, anarcho-capitalist, quasi-fascist mish-mash which would lead to even further economic despair and angst among the populace, which could potentially lead to a resurgence of the far left.