There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?

[Polymath257]

What do you mean? Don’t know how much more reality you need. Don’t understand your question.
I hated my Dad, God showed me I hated him because he corrected me and called me out on it.
After I got saved, I wasn’t a scoffer anymore but the hatred was there and I didn’t know where it was coming from. After God showed me I could see that it was true and the Word of God broke through years of denial and justifying my hatred when it was really that. My Dad and I have a great relationship since.

That isn't what I would call reality. It is about my subjective experiences and thereby my *opinions*. It doesn't show anything about the world, but only my own personal psychology.

Why do you think it was coming from something outside of you? It seems to me that you were emotionally confused and figured something out.

 

[Spirit of Light]

So God exists, but not?

Again, what do you mean by the word 'exist'? What does it mean when you say something exists?

Yes God both exist and do not exist at the same time, both in our universe and outside of it.

Exists as in alive.....

 

[Polymath257]

Yes God both exist and do not exist at the same time, both in our universe and outside of it.

Exists as in alive.....

Life is a complex collection of interactions maintaining internal state while growing and potentially reproducing.

How, precisely, is God alive?

 

[Sheldon]

Spiritual practice does not always look "logic" to a newbee, so try to actually practice without thinking "I MUST LEARN THIS"

Logic is a method of reasoning that adheres to strict principles of validation, it has nothing to do with how one's arguments, claims or beliefs look. Instead of lashing out at people who disagree with you, you might learn some of the most basic principles involved, or even look up a list of common logical fallacies, and see if you can manage a post without resorting to one.

You might also want to grasp, that this forum is a public debate forum, there are many others on this site that will give you the kind of echo chamber your posts are now suggesting you'd prefer. Participation in debate is not mandatory, but getting annoyed when others point out flaws in your reasoning and arguments, is pretty pointless.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Life is a complex collection of interactions maintaining internal state while growing and potentially reproducing.

How, precisely, is God alive?

If i knew how God is alive i would be God, and i am not.

Guys....i holding a belief in God, that does not mean i hav3 answers to every queztion possible to ask.

Its a belief.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Logic is a method of reasoning that adheres to strict principles of validation, it has nothing to do with how one's arguments, claims or beliefs look. Instead of lashing out at people who disagree with you, you might learn some of the most basic principles involved, or even look up a list of common logical fallacies, and see if you can manage a post without resorting to one.

You might also want to grasp, that this forum is a public debate forum, there are many others on this site that will give you the kind of echo chamber your posts are now suggesting you'd prefer. Participation in debate is not mandatory, but getting annoyed when others point out flaws in your reasoning and arguments, is pretty pointless.

And your point being?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Logic is a method of reasoning that adheres to strict principles of validation, it has nothing to do with how one's arguments, claims or beliefs look. Instead of lashing out at people who disagree with you, you might learn some of the most basic principles involved, or even look up a list of common logical fallacies, and see if you can manage a post without resorting to one.

You might also want to grasp, that this forum is a public debate forum, there are many others on this site that will give you the kind of echo chamber your posts are now suggesting you'd prefer. Participation in debate is not mandatory, but getting annoyed when others point out flaws in your reasoning and arguments, is pretty pointless.

I am still waiting for an answer to your use of logic up thread.

 

[Fool]

I’ve been reading through a couple of threads, and I see that it is said that there is no evidence for a god, it’s an unfalsifiable idea. We all agree on this? If you don’t, care to explain the evidence there is for god?
I’m in agreement. I used to believe my personal experiences to be subjective evidence for god, but I know now that’s not the case. I am not a theist anymore because I recognize I was a Christian thanks almost completely to my environment. That’s why I believed. I was brought up in it. Wasn’t because of any proof or anything,
So, theists, why do you believe? Is it mainly because of your environment and geographical location? There is no proof for god (right?), so what logically keeps you believing? Or is logic not supposed to be a factor when it comes to faith? Is it too jarring, the idea of leaving the comfort that religion and belief in a god brings?
I am curious about personal evaluations on why you believe. It can’t be because of logic, as there is no proof of god, right?

but what, what if it were not something that had an exact, exclusive, form what if it were something that was constantly forming/reforming? what if it were something that wasn't in contrast to self?


what if, god forbid, it was something about you.

and having found the power, the treasure of your heart, could you find it in another?


ezekiel 8:3

genesis 28:30

 

[Sheldon]

Yes God both exist and do not exist at the same time, both in our universe and outside of it.

Exists as in alive.....

Firstly something is defined as existing if it has objective reality or being. Secondly you are making a demonstrably contradictory claim, which obviously violates the law of non contradiction, and is ipso facto irrational. again.

You have two obvious choices as far as I can see, blindly ignore the fact your argument, claim and or belief is irrational., and resort to aiming petty insult at the person pointing it out (again). Or learn why it is irrational, and help yourself learn how to avoid such flawed irrational reasoning in the future.

if I were a gambling man...

 

[ElishaElijah]

That isn't what I would call reality. It is about my subjective experiences and thereby my *opinions*. It doesn't show anything about the world, but only my own personal psychology.

Why do you think it was coming from something outside of you? It seems to me that you were emotionally confused and figured something out.

Tell you that there are many people in counseling trying to get to the root causes of why they feel the way they do including hatred, unforgiveness, guilt etc. Probably years of counseling, God did this through His Word by the Holy Spirit in 5 minutes.
I see what your counsel would look like and the fruit would be more confusion and no solutions.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Firstly something is defined as existing if it has objective reality or being. Secondly you are making a demonstrably contradictory claim, which obviously violates the law of non contradiction, and is ipso facto irrational. again.

You have two obvious choices as far as I can see, blindly ignore the fact your argument, claim and or belief is irrational., and resort to aiming petty insult at the person pointing it out (again). Or learn why it is irrational, and help yourself learn how to avoid such flawed irrational reasoning in the future.

if I were a gambling man...

If you had cared to study s riptures from different religions you would actually have read about what i said.

 

[Sheldon]

but what, what if it were not something that had an exact, exclusive, form what if it were something that was constantly forming/reforming? what if it were something that wasn't in contrast to self?


what if, god forbid, it was something about you.

and having found the power, the treasure of your heart, could you find it in another?


ezekiel 8:3
genesis 28:30

That's a lot of "what if's" to be honest. Nothing wrong with indulging occasionally in pure speculation, but it is seldom a sound way to reason

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

And your point being?

@Sheldon is either a strong or weak user of logic and evidence. If strong he claims that he can using logic and/or evidence answer, how we ought to use logic and/or evidence for all claims.

That is not unique and if he can actually do it in the strong sense, then he would the first person in recorded human history, who could do it.

 

[Sheldon]

If you had cared to study s riptures from different religions you would actually have read about what i said.

If you study Harry Potter you will read about wizardry and magic, this does not make it true or real. You also have not remotely addressed my post, not one word of it?

 

[Fool]

That's a lot of "what if's" to be honest. Nothing wrong with indulging occasionally in pure speculation, but it is seldom a sound way to reason

but one of the protagonists urges the reader to ask! seek! knock!!!

 

[Spirit of Light]

@Sheldon is either a strong or weak user of logic and evidence. If strong he claims that he can using logic and/or evidence answer, how we ought to use logic and/or evidence for all claims.

That is not unique and if he can actually do it in the strong sense, then he would the first person in recorded human history, who could do it.

Unfortunatly, i have not seen his "logic" yet...only empty words

 

[Spirit of Light]

If you study Harry Potter you will read about wizardry and magic, this does not make it true or real. You also have not remotely addressed my post, not one word of it?

Pick any of your posts....only emptiness in them...

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

That's a lot of "what if's" to be honest. Nothing wrong with indulging occasionally in pure speculation, but it is seldom a sound way to reason

Can you in a strong sense with reason, logic and/or evidence answer all everyday life questions?
If so, please publish that. I mean it. You would do humanity a great service, because that would make life a lot easier.

 

[Polymath257]

I did look into it. I formed my conclusions, which I share here.
The methodology is flawed. Faith is not a pathway to truth. On the type of "faith" YOU yourself are describing, one can believe literally anything. It's a methodology that inevitably ends up in believing falsehoods, because there is no mechanism to distinguish accurate claims from false claims.

If and when faith does lead to an accurate belief, it is just a coincidence. Kind of like how a broken clock is also correct twice a day.

It really is that simple.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The simple idea that it is necessary to guard against error and that the easiest person to fool is yourself is fundamental.

Taking *any* idea on faith is likely to lead to error. And, without testing, you can't recognize your error.

That seems, to me, to be the opposite direction from that of wisdom.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Unfortunatly, i have not seen his "logic" yet...only empty words

Well, in some of @Sheldon posts, he do use logic. But at least one, he claims ir, but doesn't follow up.

So @Sheldon could you please deliver?