Crustaceans/Octopi Feel Pain

[The Hammer]

"It may be an uncomfortable truth, but the study authors say animals really do feel emotions and pain just like humans. They just aren’t as well equipped to vocalize or describe those feelings."

Eating seafood immoral? Octopuses, squid, crabs have emotions and feel pain, study says

All life is sentient. Of course it is. Only in the West do we kid ourselves otherwise.

 

[VoidCat]

People shouldn't boil crabs alive. I never liked that. I have no problem eating an animal but to boil something alive? That's torture.

 

[The Hammer]

People shouldn't boil crabs alive. I never liked that. I have no problem eating an animal but to boil something alive? That's torture.

Agreed, I never liked it either..

I also find it dubious that we thought non-verbal babies couldn't feel pain up until the 1980s.

 

[Brickjectivity]

"It may be an uncomfortable truth, but the study authors say animals really do feel emotions and pain just like humans. They just aren’t as well equipped to vocalize or describe those feelings."

Eating seafood immoral? Octopuses, squid, crabs have emotions and feel pain, study says

All life is sentient. Of course it is. Only in the West do we kid ourselves otherwise.

Hopefully its not true. I can't base my thoughts about the world on what someone says a study has concluded. Some people have studies which indicate plants experience pain and feel happiness, fear and sadness. If I am to feel ethically bound to live off of ants and worms then I must have more information...something more substantial.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Hopefully its not true. I can't base my thoughts about the world on what someone says a study has concluded. Some people have studies which indicate plants experience pain and feel happiness, fear and sadness. If I am to feel ethically bound to live off of ants and worms then I must have more information...something more substantial.

Life requires life. Simultaneously, how we use it makes a difference. Especially to the life being used.

 

[The Hammer]

Hopefully its not true. I can't base my thoughts about the world on what someone says a study has concluded. Some people have studies which indicate plants experience pain and feel happiness, fear and sadness. If I am to feel ethically bound to live off of ants and worms then I must have more information...something more substantial.

Sentience and the ability to feel pain does not preclude it from being a food source imo. But it does mean we have ethical obligations.

We are a potential food source for animals and we often succumb to the will of bacteria/virus/fungi.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

"It may be an uncomfortable truth, but the study authors say animals really do feel emotions and pain just like humans. They just aren’t as well equipped to vocalize or describe those feelings."

Eating seafood immoral? Octopuses, squid, crabs have emotions and feel pain, study says

All life is sentient. Of course it is. Only in the West do we kid ourselves otherwise.

This comes as a surprise to you? Didn't you know that those animals have brains, neurons, skin -- all the things that make us feel pain? What do people think they're doing with all that stuff, if it isn't to feel pain so that they can protect themselves?

Sheesh!

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

People shouldn't boil crabs alive. I never liked that. I have no problem eating an animal but to boil something alive? That's torture.

Do you know, when we eat oysters (usually, not, that namby-pamby Rockefeller junk) they're actually alive?

I do. Eat 'em anyway.

 

[Aštra’el]

One creature suffers and dies, so that another might live and thrive.

Welcome to nature.

 

[Wildswanderer]

It's obvious to me that not all animals feel pain in the same way we do though. Things that would have incapacitated humans don't stop them. I've seen cows walking around grazing with a half born calf hanging out. That wasn't at all similar to human births I've witnessed.

Pigs with guts hanging out, sewn back up with no pain killers and they will be up walking around. Castrated pigs and you can tell it hurts but two minutes later they are fine, rooting in the dirt.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It's obvious to me that not all animals feel pain in the same way we do though. Things that would have incapacitated humans don't stop them. I've seen cows walking around grazing with a half born calf hanging out. That wasn't at all similar to human births I've witnessed.

Pigs with guts hanging out, sewn back up with no pain killers and they will be up walking around. Castrated pigs and you can tell it hurts but two minutes later they are fine, rooting in the dirt.

I don't suppose you've considered that you could, in fact, put up with all that pain --- and get up and walk around --- but that you don't, simply because you were offered an anaesthtic?

We just don't suppose animals would need such a thing.

 

[The Hammer]

We just don't suppose animals would need such a thing.

We did it to babies.

Opinion | Why Infant Surgery Without Anesthesia Went Unchallenged (Published 1987)

 

[VoidCat]

We did it to babies.

Opinion | Why Infant Surgery Without Anesthesia Went Unchallenged (Published 1987)

Have to pay to read it says

 

[The Hammer]

Have to pay to read it says

Maybe this one will work?.

When babies felt no pain - The Boston Globe

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

We did it to babies.

Opinion | Why Infant Surgery Without Anesthesia Went Unchallenged (Published 1987)

I am aware. We cut the foreskins off of little boys in the same way. Religion told us to do that.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I am aware. We cut the foreskins off of little boys in the same way. Religion told us to do that.

I forgot to mention that the Moyle provides a tiny bit of compensation, by giving the infant a sort of minimalist blow-job. I mean, how sick is that?

 

[Twilight Hue]

One creature suffers and dies, so that another might live and thrive.

Welcome to nature.

Pain isn't an issue in the Wild Kingdom involving predators and prey.

Only recompense is most predators have evolved to kill their prey as quickly as possible which makes sense as energy and stamina spells the difference between life and death.

 

[Twilight Hue]

This comes as a surprise to you? Didn't you know that those animals have brains, neurons, skin -- all the things that make us feel pain? What do people think they're doing with all that stuff, if it isn't to feel pain so that they can protect themselves?

Sheesh!

Most scientists acknowledge the pain we are well acquainted with comes through receptors.

Those without pain receptors are likely aware something is wrong, but without the intensity that the receptors bring.

 

[Mock Turtle]

That many seem to believe that so many non-human species don't feel pain, or experience many emotions quite similar to humans, is just another facet of believing humans are inherently different (and superior of course) from all other life. A convenient myth, just as many also believe that these 'others' are merely instinctual and can't ever display some of the intelligence we often possess. But apparently not the ones who believe this nonsense. And where religions have often aided this stupidity.

 

[Estro Felino]

I have never eaten seafood. I don't like sea stuff in general.
I used to eat meat only when I was "carnivorous".

It shocks me that certain cultures eat raw seafood...or raw fishes.
It does not seem that normal to me...psychologically speaking.