What does the Islamic teaching say about how a woman should dress?

[Spirit of Light]

This verse says: "... And tell the believing women to reduce [some] of their vision and guard their private parts and not to expose their adornment (zinatahuna) except that which [necessarily] appears thereof and to wrap [a portion of] their headcovers (Khumurihina) over their chests (Juyubihina) and not to expose their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, their brothers' sons” Quran 24;31

The term Khumurihina (plural of Khimar) stated in this verse refers to the scarf that women used to wear in the Arabian Peninsula and in all the other civilizations at that time.

The Qur'an invites the believing women to fold their scarves (Khimar) over their chests (Juyubihina) to cover the upper part of their busts when they are in public. In fact, the classical commentaries report that the Arab women of Mecca used to uncover their neck and upper chest. For this reason, the Qur’an invited the believing women to fold the sides of the Khimar over their busts.

The majority of Muslim scholars and exegetes agreed that the believing women must cover their hair by putting on a Khimar and leave only their faces and hands uncovered in the presence of men who do not have a direct family relationship with them.

Since there is a difference between Hijab and Khimar, we have the right to ask why do we keep using the term Hijab for what has been named in the Qur'an scarf or Khimar?

This error is currently made unwillingly and mostly reproduced unconsciously, but it is worth mentioning that this semantic shift was not made innocently or casually throughout the history of the Islamic intellectual production.
How does the Qur’an address the issue of Muslim woman’s veil or “Hijab”? (asma-lamrabet.com)

 

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Khimar doesn't just mean scarf, it means head covering.

 

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Of course, there is propaganda that ignores the meaning of the word originally.

 

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The term Khumurihina (plural of Khimar) stated in this verse refers to the scarf that women used to wear in the Arabian Peninsula and in all the other civilizations at that time.

This is an outright lie, khimar means head covering.

 

[Spirit of Light]

This is an outright lie, khimar means head covering.

Direct it to those who wrote it The text in the reply I gave was written by other people.

 

[Shakeel]

This verse says: "... And tell the believing women to reduce [some] of their vision and guard their private parts and not to expose their adornment (zinatahuna) except that which [necessarily] appears thereof and to wrap [a portion of] their headcovers (Khumurihina) over their chests (Juyubihina) and not to expose their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, their brothers' sons” Quran 24;31

The term Khumurihina (plural of Khimar) stated in this verse refers to the scarf that women used to wear in the Arabian Peninsula and in all the other civilizations at that time.

The Qur'an invites the believing women to fold their scarves (Khimar) over their chests (Juyubihina) to cover the upper part of their busts when they are in public. In fact, the classical commentaries report that the Arab women of Mecca used to uncover their neck and upper chest. For this reason, the Qur’an invited the believing women to fold the sides of the Khimar over their busts.

The majority of Muslim scholars and exegetes agreed that the believing women must cover their hair by putting on a Khimar and leave only their faces and hands uncovered in the presence of men who do not have a direct family relationship with them.

Since there is a difference between Hijab and Khimar, we have the right to ask why do we keep using the term Hijab for what has been named in the Qur'an scarf or Khimar?

This error is currently made unwillingly and mostly reproduced unconsciously, but it is worth mentioning that this semantic shift was not made innocently or casually throughout the history of the Islamic intellectual production.
How does the Qur’an address the issue of Muslim woman’s veil or “Hijab”? (asma-lamrabet.com)

He says hijab is made to exclude women from the public space.

"And the "veil" or Hijab will remain the single powerful indicator of the deterioration of Muslim women’s legal status, since they will be secluded and excluded from the public space, in the name of this symbol..."

But how exactly does it do that? Are women who wear hijab excluded from the public space?

It seems his only way to make an impression by his content is exaggeration.

 

[Shakeel]

Direct it to those who wrote it The text in the reply I gave was written by other people.

That's cheap.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

You just made a whole thread on how women should be treated based on hadiths, including those from Sahih Bukhari. Now you're ignoring the hadiths and twisting the text of the Qur'an.

Weird translation by the way - Rashad Khalifa's. That's what hadith rejectors prefer.

What do sahih hadithes say? Can you quote a few please?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Well it you read the Qur'an it is pretty evident that "Hijab" means a cover of some sort. It could even be a cover of darkness if you make up that sentence "cover of darkness" or . And it is never, ever, in the Quran meant to be a "covering of the head" which sentence doesnt even make sense really. So, this is just too evident and well known.

I think you should think of some other example.

If covering whold body, and the hair completely was so important to Muhammad, why the Quran is not emphasizes on it? Why it expresses it in a way, that there is so much differences in interpretation?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

There is only 3 verses in the quran that actually speak of this, and one of them say about both men and woman.

Dress Code for Women based on Quran (masjidtucson.org)

Tell the believing men that they shall subdue their eyes (and not stare at the women), and to maintain their chastity. This is purer for them. God is fully Cognizant of everything they do.
And tell the believing women to subdue their eyes, and maintain their chastity. They shall not reveal any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary. They shall cover their chests, and shall not relax this code in the presence of other than their husbands, their fathers, the fathers of their husbands, their sons, the sons of their husbands, their brothers, the sons of their brothers, the sons of their They shall not strike their feet when they walk in order to shake and reveal certain details of their bodies. All of you shall repent to God, O you believers, that you may succeed.* (24:30-31)

*24:30-31 Dressing modestly, therefore, is a trait of the believing men and women. The minimum requirements for a woman's dress is to lengthen her garment (33:59) and to cover her chest. Tyrannical Arab traditions have given a false impression that a woman must be covered from head to toe; such is not a Quranic or Islamic dress.

The second one is this

O children of Adam, we have provided you with garments to cover your bodies, as well as for luxury. But the best garment is the garment of righteousness. These are some of God's signs, that they may take heed. (7:26)

The third one is.

They have deserved gardens of Eden wherein rivers flow. They will be adorned therein with bracelets of gold, and will wear clothes of green silk and velvet, and will rest on comfortable furnishings. What a wonderful reward; what a wonderful abode! (18:31)

God will admit those who believe and lead a righteous life into gardens with flowing streams. They will be adorned therein with bracelets of gold, and pearls, and their garments therein will be silk. (22:23)

On them will be clothes of green velvet, satin, and silver ornaments. Their Lord will provide them with pure drinks. (76:21)

Surely if the believers dress beautifully in Paradise, it cannot be unrighteous to do so here. And indeed God tells to dress nicely when we go to the mosques:


Interestingly the Quran does not require a woman to cover her hair, but rather to dress modestly and to cover her chest as we see in the following verses and their footnote from Dr. Rashad Khalifa’s translation of the Quran:

So the question remains: Was it men who could not look down who added the covering of the hair? Does Hijab actually mean a different form of vail?

I think we should also see what Hadithes say. They help in correct interpretation.
But seems to me, some Muslims go extreme with Hijaab. I don't see extreme requirement in the Quran. Now let's see if hadithes denote extreme requirement.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I think we should also see what Hadithes say. They help in correct interpretation.
But seems to me, some Muslims go extreme with Hijaab. I don't see extreme requirement in the Quran. Now let's see if hadithes denote extreme requirement.

I don't mind if people take the hadiths in to the discussion orginally rhe discussion was about Qur’an it has evolved to something more

 

[InvestigateTruth]

He says hijab is made to exclude women from the public space.

"And the "veil" or Hijab will remain the single powerful indicator of the deterioration of Muslim women’s legal status, since they will be secluded and excluded from the public space, in the name of this symbol..."

But how exactly does it do that? Are women who wear hijab excluded from the public space?

It seems his only way to make an impression by his content is exaggeration.

Hijab is part of Islam. But the question is, firstly, is that a Law? If a woman living in a Muslim country does not cover her head, where in Quran or Hadith say, she is to be punished?
So, the question is, do Muslims women require to cover their hair moderately, or they suppose to cover it In a way that not even a single hair is shown? How extreme is it supposed to be?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Hijab is part of Islam. But the question is, firstly, is that a Law? If a woman living in a Muslim country does not cover her head, where in Quran or Hadith say, she is to be punished?
So, the question is, do Muslims women require to cover their hair moderately, or they suppose to cover it In a way that not even a single hair is shown? How extreme is it supposed to be?

The reason i asked about hijab is because my understanding of the vail in islam is not a cloth or headscarf, but a inward understanding how to dress our mind when we are with other people or alone with Allah.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

The reason i asked about hijab is because my understanding of the vail in islam is not a cloth or headscarf, but a inward understanding how to dress our mind when we are with other people or alone with Allah.

Certainly inward hijab, is the real hijab, and worthy. The apparent hijab is only outwardly and is not a proof of the inner hijab, and righteousness.

 

[firedragon]

If covering whold body, and the hair completely was so important to Muhammad, why the Quran is not emphasizes on it? Why it expresses it in a way, that there is so much differences in interpretation?

So please state who said that covering the head and whole body was so important to the prophet Muhammed and the explain the point of your post.

 

[firedragon]

This is an outright lie, khimar means head covering.

Tell me, in Fusha atthurath, what is the word for covering of a table?

 

[firedragon]

Certainly inward hijab, is the real hijab, and worthy. The apparent hijab is only outwardly and is not a proof of the inner hijab, and righteousness.

Where is this "inner hijab" mentioned in the Qur'an?

 

[firedragon]

Hijab is part of Islam. But the question is, firstly, is that a Law?

Can you in a few words explain what is this "hijab" which is a part of Islam?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Where is this "inner hijab" mentioned in the Qur'an?

It is called HAYA.

Haya (Islam) - Wikipedia

 

[firedragon]

It is called HAYA.

Not hijab? Then that's irrelevant isn't it?