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Syncretism.....Can Mixing Religious Ideas Lead to the Truth?

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
The only difference between you and a non-exclusivist believes, like most paths there are many branches and multiple ways to get to the end.
The Bible does not argue with this.....there are only two roads according to Jesus (Matthew 7:13-14)....and all of us are on either one or the other. If that is true, then no one should be surprised to find themselves on the road where the majority choose to travel. They are in very comfortable company....and the road is not cramped or narrow. You can do and believe whatever you wish.....but it doesn't alter the destination.

Even if there were just one God, and not many gods or many things which personify the one God in different ways, that doesn't mean they're exclusive. Heck, the vast majority of Jews world wide believe everyone will eventually end up the same place. Jews just take a shorter path.
The Bible does not necessarily argue with that either.....its just that the pathway we choose might lead us to a destination we may not have anticipated. What then?

Probably dead. And you can spare me the ministry. I don't believe in souls or afterlife and don't think much of pretending to in order to hope to trick a thing I also don't believe in to give me something I don't believe in.
Who asked you to pretend? That is the beauty of truth...it weeds out the pretenders. If God can read hearts, then many are going to be very disappointed at the judgment, thinking that their label would save them....God is not fooled by labels....but you already know that...right?
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
How much of all this can be said about me, I'm not certain. Some of it probably. But I'll share my perspective, such as it is.
All submissions are welcome because I'd really like to understand why people choose to believe things that are others find repelling....

I'm not sure you can always call it a blend, which is syncretism, or just simply picking and choosing the best for something new, as organized religion didn't work for them. But to ask how authentic it is, that depends on the fruit that it bears in that person's life. "By their fruit you shall know them," said Jesus of Nazareth.

I've never understood that as "By their beliefs you shall know them". I see those as more just window dressing. You can find beliefs in any shop. But it's how you shine in them that matters. Not whether you bought them at the discount shop downtown, or from the Taj Mahal.
I agree here to a point......"by their fruits" I believe was alluding to what they produce...what kind of people do these religions turn out? The "fruits" in the case of Christianity, was to contrast with the Judaism practiced in the day. It was easy to tell the difference because Christ actually told the religious leaders exactly what was wrong with their teachings. (Matthew 23) He also told them exactly where their course would lead them....and those who followed them.

As with anything, people seek communities, be that in some common interest area like classic train collectors, or the religious equivalent a vintage-class bible study group. Community gives strength and support to the individual, and common belief is what creates that community. Beliefs can be very mailable this way, biasing us towards group membership and away from things which threaten that. In other words, we can be pretty easily swayed with such a strong current in that river. Very few can truly go it alone.
I agree with this too somewhat. Community does give people a sense of belonging but, it was God who brought his people together as one nation, with one set of laws and beliefs that applied to all. Then when Christ came he too set the same theme for his disciples....No one was permitted to pick and choose what they wanted to believe. All had to conform to one set of beliefs. (1 Corinthians 1:10)

So on some level yes. But if it means compromising too much, say one's intellect, one's sense of good reason and rationality, one's education, and such, then you may find those who prefer to be alone, than to sacrifice the gains outside formalized religion.
Again I agree....no one should feel like God is demanding that they accept anything that is unreasonable or too difficult to believe. We are given intellect for a reason......but propaganda works and we are all subject to it if we don't know where its coming from.
So, what if the organized religions of the masses are all of the same ilk? What if they are all just different versions of the same lies? If what people are rejecting is a collective falsehood, why would they assume that God condones it? He did not condone it in Judaism and he will not condone it in Christianity.

History is repeating, but no one seems to notice. Humans are again following a very familiar pattern of acceptance and rejection. The minority is again a voice in the wilderness, trying to sound a warning of something approaching that will shake this world to its foundations.....but no one wants to listen.
If Christ is due to return as judge of the world....what will he encounter? (Matthew 7:21-23)

Excellent questions, by the way!
These were the questions I asked myself many years ago....

I would say those who leave religion and become atheists do so because they find that rote answers from the 'Rote-Answers to Doubts' handbooks offer to most believers, to fall short for them. I'd be included in that number as well. But what makes some seek out other religious perspectives, outside the constraints of the previous religious system, is that they still believe in their hearts there is a "Divine" reality, even though the way it was talked about before failed to translate actual meaning into their lives.
What if there was a reason for that? I have to include myself in that number too. I left mainstream Christianity because all I saw was the same ridiculous beliefs presented under different banners...those who claimed to be Christ's followers but who betrayed him by their beliefs and conduct.....I rejected all of it...except the part that said God existed and that he left humanity his written instructions. I wanted to find the diamond that I knew existed.

People look for ways to understand God. But what some groups offer, fails to speak to them. So they look for other voices. And if their paths are true, they will find those who do speak Truth to them.
What is truth for one is the opposite for others...so what determines our acceptance of one belief over another?

Central of course. They are after all seeking the Divine itself.
Can someone find the Divine if they only have a pre-conceived idea about what he should look like? What if he never did fit that idea? Can someone actually find God on their own? What if we need an invitation from him, and without it nothing would make any sense? (John 6:65)

As many as there are humans. Each human being relates to God as themselves, not as other people. "God accept me because I'm in the right group", is a prayer guaranteed to fail.
True....but I believe its more a case of people wanting to 'make God in their own image' rather than conforming themselves to his. That is what I see to a large extent anyway.

By realizing that diamonds are strewn throughout Creation, and people who are self-absorbed, see only their diamond as a diamond, and all the other diamonds as broken glass. No one human being has absolute truth restricted to their views. That is the opposite of Truth.
Since the diamond in question is the unalterable truth about God and his purpose for the human race on this planet.....there is only one diamond worth finding.....God's enemy has hidden it under the pile of broken glass that he created. It isn't God who makes it hard to find....but I believe that he can help us clear away that broken glass...and find the gem...if we let him.
 
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SigurdReginson

Grēne Mann
Premium Member
If only religion was as simple as barbecue sauce....then we could make our own, to our own taste and it wouldn't matter....not a great analogy I'm afraid.

To each their own. You wanted to know why, and that's my answer. It may not be enough for you, but that might be one reason why it doesn't interest you or why you have a difficult time understanding the concept. :)

We can adjust to any major change in our way of living.....new spouse, new house, new country, new language....and we will, if we want to....or are forced to due to circumstances beyond our control.
Are you physically alone?...spiritually alone?.....or personally isolated by your own choices? Was it circumstance or choice that led you down the path you presently follow?

I'm surrounded by family and friends who care about me, and I contribute to their lives as well as those I interact with on a daily basis. I have a career in helping people heal as well in patient care. I have communities I am part of that keep me happy, too (including this lovely place with such fine individuals as yourself). I guess the difference is that I took my religious practices and dropped the unnecessary bits, then grabbed ones that I could utilize in my day to day life. I dropped the religion and replaced it with character building traits and practices that help me to improve in tangible ways. My walk is less of a religion and more of a spiritual path.

In regards to my relationship status, I'm a single guy, though I'm in no rush to get into a relationship. I'm happy with myself in my current life situation, and if I share that with someone, that's good too. I'm pretty open to whatever road my life goes down, but I don't feel lonely. :D

As for what choices have led me to go down my current path, we are talking almost a decade of spiritual growth that have led me down this path... I just don't have the time or investment to write an essay of all of that information, nor could I convey everything in my life that has transpired in a way you'd be able to understand from my subjective perspective. It's my life's story, and only I will ever be able to understand that.

Again, I do not see your analogy as applying to something as serious as religious faith. This to me is a life or death decision that has implications far into the future. Of course I cannot impose my views on anyone else but I can offer them, as my Master did.

That seems like your problem in not being able to try and consider things outside of your particular worldview, though I could just be making an incorrect assumption. Correct me if I'm wrong, please. :)

What you say reminds me a lot of my mom, though. This is why I don't tell her about these things... If I did, she would stress herself out at the concept of me suffering torture for all eternity. She could never remove herself from her world view far enough to be able to try and consider things from a perspective she doesn't have an interest in. As far as she's concerned, things of "the world" (things outside of the bible) are also of Satan, and that's all she needs to know.

As for myself, I'll just quietly do my own thing and continue to contribute to people in my life in the most positive way I can. It makes for a happy, fulfilling life, and that's all I need. :D

I cannot make a commitment to something that is half-baked....I have to know what I believe and why I believe it....and it cannot be subject to change on a whim because the God I serve never alters.

Fair enough. Keep in mind that this thread is asking for why people who are syncretic do what they do, though, and that's all I'm sharing (from my limited perspective)

What we know in the world is always changing on a consistent basis, though... Never changing means stagnation to me, and what you see as half baked I see as ever evolving. I want to continue to grow as a person and be the best version of myself that I can be. That requires challenging myself and my notions of what I thought I knew, and adjusting when I'm wrong. Better information cultivates better understanding, and old information becomes outdated as new things are learned. Change is exciting, it's not to be feared. :)

The golden rule is not a law that was binding on everyone.....nor is it a religion...it is as you said a "concept"....a very old and beautiful concept that was incorporated into Bible teachings.

What you said was "How many versions of religious truth can there be?" The golden rule is a religious truth in the context that I provided. You can deny that if you want. I can't make you consider things you aren't willing to consider.

But in this illustration, there is only ONE very valuable diamond, buried in a pile of broken glass....and we have the task of finding it. Do we need help? I believe so, because without an expert opinion in identifying an uncut diamond from a piece of broken glass, how would we ever know? There are many showing us their uncut 'diamonds' but unless we can tell the difference, they may all look the same.....this is where actions speak louder than words.

But your example is contrived... Where you see one objective truth, I see many subjective experiences. Some of them are more true than others, but they all have value to some extent. I don't need one ultimate truth, because ultimate truth can never be understood. It's a pipe dream; a concept that has no tangible value. It's impossible to understand objective truth from the perspective of a subjective being such as myself, and to say otherwise immediately throws up red flags for me as someone trying to take me for a ride, given my past experiences.

Not only that, but in your example you say that there needs to be an "expert opinion" to verify such a stone's value. There are plenty of people out there who would lie about the value so they could take it for themselves. Why would I trust that when I can just learn to appraise it myself and find out what it's selling for in the market currently? Self sufficiency is invaluable, and prices fluctuate in value just like truths. Even the most priceless diamond on earth will cost a different amount a year from now than it does right now, and if an even bigger diamond is found later, the original "perfect diamond" will drop in value in light of this better diamond. Science does this all the time with every new discovery...

I guess I look at truth more as a valuable rock of many rather than some single, perfect diamond. I'm a rock hound at heart, and I enjoy traveling far and wide to search for rocks of varying types. It's a leisurely, low stress activity that I do on my own time, just like when I educate myself on things. True, I could find a low grade piece of jade, but you know what? When I find a better piece, I can chuck that old thing aside and replace it with the better one. :)
 
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Gargovic Malkav

Well-Known Member
I see so many here at RF adopting a range of beliefs from various religious systems and making up what appears to be their own personal religions.

How authentic can such a blend of religions be, outside of that individual?

Does it matter if no one else shares that mix of beliefs?

What is the motive behind syncretism, and is it merely “religion shopping” or selecting “ingredients” to fit personal religious tastes?

What role does God (or gods) play in the choices?

How many versions of religious truth can there be?

How can one find the diamond in a pile of broken glass?

Help me understand......:shrug:

"With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.";)

I believe God reveals the truth from an angle that reflects the nature of people's hearts(which can also be a delusion if there are selfish desires in their heart).

I don't have the nerve to assume I am among the best people on earth, this is why I don't have the nerve to rely too much on my own judgment and common sense, as is said before:

"With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

I can't do better than do my best, and everything is ultimately up to God.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Imo looking for “authenticity” true authenticity in religion is a fool’s errand. We will find what seems the most authentic to our spiritual nature. The one that seems the most authentic to our own understanding. Whether that is scriptural or spiritual.

All sects are themselves people eschewing certain things, sometimes even blending from previous traditions, for whatever reason.
I appreciate that, and I guess that it confirms for me that people believe according to what is in their heart. If what they accepted as the religion of their parents, no longer appeals, then who can blame anyone for wanting something more meaningful? Will some settle for a sapphire or a ruby.... they may prefer them over a diamond...more colorful perhaps?
For some close enough is good enough....:shrug: for others nothing needs to replace religion. God is dead to them.

At the end of the day we are spiritual beings, and many will find their own path without worrying about where it leads, as long as it makes them happy. We all have those choices.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
The destination and purpose is clear to them. Just not to you or the mainstream. Which shouldn't be all that surprising to you since you also believe that few will find 'the path.' The only difference between you and a non-exclusivist believes, like most paths there are many branches and multiple ways to get to the end.

Even if there were just one God, and not many gods or many things which personify the one God in different ways, that doesn't mean they're exclusive. Heck, the vast majority of Jews world wide believe everyone will eventually end up the same place. Jews just take a shorter path.

Other monotheistic or henotheistic gods like Brahman absolutely do not have a 'one path to me' sort of view nor do believers pretend they know the exclusive path to judge others for.

Probably dead. And you can spare me the ministry. I don't believe in souls or afterlife and don't think much of pretending to in order to hope to trick a thing I also don't believe in to give me something I don't believe in.
According to the scriptures, until God approached Moses, reasoning with him, and teaching him, Moses himself really didn't exactly know what to believe about God at first. You can read the fantastically wonderful episode in the book of Exodus, chapters 2 & 3. And what's also interesting about your post is that others have their beliefs, too, yes, that's true. And Moses had a time contending with the gods of Egypt. So that kind of makes a difference, in that many did not believe Moses at all. Even though the God of Moses was demonstrably stronger than the other gods. The whole story is very interesting.
 

an anarchist

Your local anarchist.
I see so many here at RF adopting a range of beliefs from various religious systems and making up what appears to be their own personal religions.
I wouldn’t necessarily call it their own personal religion. Syncretic beliefs are simply not institutionalized by any organization. Syncretism may be a result of interpreting the same revered text that a Christian does. So, I would say that they make up their own personal religion just as much as any other Christian from any other denomination does.
Does it matter if no one else shares that mix of beliefs?
I don’t think it matters. But again, I think that the fact syncretism isn’t institutionalized makes it appear that no one shares in them. In my personal experience, many people who I know, who don’t identify with any religion, I would consider syncretist. They led me to consider syncretism, at the very least. Whenever I’d get a bit preachy about my Christianity, someone would tell me “[redacted name], you know all God is? God is love, is love, is love.” A friend in particular comes to my mind, he was adamant about being not religious. He lost his faith in organized religion, yet he still has a relationship with God. At least for myself, as a syncretist, I believe God could be described simply as love. It is all encompassing, and I believe that the religions of the world are meant to simply teach this. There are many people who share in this belief about God.
What is the motive behind syncretism, and is it merely “religion shopping” or selecting “ingredients” to fit personal religious tastes?
I think the motive of a syncretist is the same motive of a Jehovah Witness. Both are interested in having a relationship with God. Both are interested in the truth. Their interpretations of sacred texts may vary, but that is because they are different individuals. The motive is no different
How many versions of religious truth can there be?
As many people that have ever lived :)
That’s my two pennies, gonna read through the thread now!
 

an anarchist

Your local anarchist.
Help me understand......:shrug:
If you truly want to understand why a syncretist is a syncretist, then read the sacred texts of other religions. You can then see if you understand where they see the parallels.
Tao Te Ching, Bhagavad Gita, Dhammapada. A Taoist, Hindu, and Buddhist text that are entry level I think. These texts made me a syncretist. I perceive them all to have the same author
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
I see so many here at RF adopting a range of beliefs from various religious systems and making up what appears to be their own personal religions.

How authentic can such a blend of religions be, outside of that individual?

Does it matter if no one else shares that mix of beliefs?

What is the motive behind syncretism, and is it merely “religion shopping” or selecting “ingredients” to fit personal religious tastes?

What role does God (or gods) play in the choices?

How many versions of religious truth can there be?

How can one find the diamond in a pile of broken glass?

Help me understand......:shrug:

Most of us form our own religion. One may call himself a Christian, but will have his own religion. Just because lets say one person says "yes yes, I believe in the trinity", that does not necessarily mean he has no other beliefs or wants or needs that makes him adopt certain aspects of other religions. (I am trying to use your own usage of the words here).

Also the problem is, lets say someone is an arian christian, the Catholic Church and of course even the average protestant church would think they are heretics, but a JW might not think like that. This individual would insist that he is Christian but has adopted a bit of a different view in his theology. The problem would lie in the other person, the catholic and the AOG as an example is the person who defines this arian guy as different.

Even the word Christian was used by others in Turkey, then and only then (it seems) people who follows Christ seem to have adopted that name. So someone else defined a christian initially. Maybe that christian thought that he was just a Jew who adopted a new dispensation.

Many, many Christians in Asia, particularly in India have adopted hinduism or at least gathered some of their qualities. They sometimes go to the Hindu Kovil. Some of them, not all. Generally Christians are strict in their worship. There are protestants in other parts of the world who go to the Catholic Church during the feast just to worship mother Mary once a year in hope of getting blessings.

The observer may consider that adopting parts of other religions. Its a hard nut to crack.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
If you truly want to understand why a syncretist is a syncretist, then read the sacred texts of other religions. You can then see if you understand where they see the parallels.
Tao Te Ching, Bhagavad Gita, Dhammapada. A Taoist, Hindu, and Buddhist text that are entry level I think. These texts made me a syncretist. I perceive them all to have the same author

Are you a taoist Buddhist?
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
I practice both Taoism and Buddhism. I am hoping to be practicing more religions as my investigation of syncretism deepens.

Thank you so much for the response.

I am not a Buddhist or anything like that but Buddhism is one of the most intriguing philosophies to learn. I have not learned much about Taoism but its also such an interesting matter to me.

Nevertheless, I wish you bon voyage in your investigation. Maybe I will look forward to some of your posts on Taoism and Buddhism in the future or/and how you come across what ever we call syncretism. Have a good day Xavier. Cheers.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
That seems like your problem in not being able to try and consider things outside of your particular worldview, though I could just be making an incorrect assumption. Correct me if I'm wrong, please. :)
I started life with a very different worldview....one that I came to question and reject. I know what led me to my present view and how it resonates with me in ways that mainstream Christianity never did. I found the God of the Bible...the one that the churches do not teach you about....the one most people throw away with their rejection of the church.

What you say reminds me a lot of my mom, though. This is why I don't tell her about these things... If I did, she would stress herself out at the concept of me suffering torture for all eternity. She could never remove herself from her world view far enough to be able to try and consider things from a perspective she doesn't have an interest in. As far as she's concerned, things of "the world" (things outside of the bible) are also of Satan, and that's all she needs to know.
I could never be one of those Moms. I have to know what I believe and why I believe it....I have to have researched the subject thoroughly and correlated it to other parts of the Bible so that it fits in with overall narrative. Most people don’t understand that the Bible is one story that begins in Genesis (thousands of years in the past) and ends in Revelation (which takes us 1,000 years into the future.)

I love to study and do research to improve my knowledge and understanding so that if someone asks me what I believe, and why I believe it, I can tell them confidently what the scriptures say.....my own personal opinion is not worth much, but God’s word is all that matters to me. It never leads me to wrong conclusions because I know what it teaches as a whole story....not as bits quoted out of context.
 

Shakeel

Well-Known Member
Handy authenticity test:
If it preaches greed, hatred, or delusion, reject it as leading to long-term harm.
If it teaches cultivating a lack of greed, hatred, or delusion, accept it as leading to long-term benefit.
So to hell with the truth, right?

It is the hallmark of hypocrisy.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Most of us form our own religion.
It seems as if most people feel at liberty to do that.....almost like its trendy to describe oneself as a mixture of faiths....sort of like they had attended an “all you can eat” religious buffet....help yourself to whatever appeals to your pallet.

One may call himself a Christian, but will have his own religion. Just because lets say one person says "yes yes, I believe in the trinity", that does not necessarily mean he has no other beliefs or wants or needs that makes him adopt certain aspects of other religions. (I am trying to use your own usage of the words here).
I never knew what it meant to be a Christian when I was a member of the church.....I discovered that only when I studied the Bible for myself. The vague teachings of my church annoyed me greatly because they could never directly answer my questions from the Bible. I found out why later.....they learn theology in their collages, not the Bible. Most clergy I find are sadly lacking in their Bible knowledge.....though they can tell you what their church teaches.....and a few cherry picked texts that seem to suggest that what they teach is true, but none of it adds up.....their trinity particularly made no sense at all and there is no mention of it in the Bible. The Bible does not support their teachings at all....yet they claim that it does.

Also the problem is, lets say someone is an arian christian, the Catholic Church and of course even the average protestant church would think they are heretics, but a JW might not think like that. This individual would insist that he is Christian but has adopted a bit of a different view in his theology. The problem would lie in the other person, the catholic and the AOG as an example is the person who defines this arian guy as different.
There is a fairly simple way to get to the bottom of a doctrinal issue and that is to consult the Bible....not the church. Everything we need to know is in God’s word. Anything that disagrees with what it teaches needs to be discarded. This is what JW’s did. They went back to the beginning, threw out everything the churches taught and allowed the Bible to speak for itself....this is why our teachings are so different......they are solidly Bible based....not borrowed from non-Christian religions and covered with a thin veneer of Christian ideals.

Even the word Christian was used by others in Turkey, then and only then (it seems) people who follows Christ seem to have adopted that name. So someone else defined a christian initially. Maybe that christian thought that he was just a Jew who adopted a new dispensation.
All of the first Christians were Jews....and there was a reason why Jesus was sent only to “the lost sheep of the house of Israel”....these were to have first opportunity to fill places in the Kingdom of God, due to a promise that God made to Abraham. The Jews failed to keep their covenant...but God never did. He produced their Messiah right on time, but they rejected him because he did not fulfill their expectations.

Many, many Christians in Asia, particularly in India have adopted hinduism or at least gathered some of their qualities. They sometimes go to the Hindu Kovil. Some of them, not all. Generally Christians are strict in their worship. There are protestants in other parts of the world who go to the Catholic Church during the feast just to worship mother Mary once a year in hope of getting blessings.
I believe that the Bible itself is clear about mixing true worship with false worship. To participate in false worship makes God very angry, because the author of false worship is his avowed adversary, and whatever worship is not directed to the true God, goes to the ‘wannabe pretender’ god by default. There is a separation taking place as we speak, with the devil allowed to test us all out. The choices we make will determine our future....we show which god we worship by our actions. I firmly believe this.

The observer may consider that adopting parts of other religions. Its a hard nut to crack.
Adopting beliefs and practices from other religions was absolutely forbidden to Israel, and Jesus also taught that to worship anything or anyone other than his Father was unacceptable. Part of the Ten Commandments was that the Jews were to serve their God exclusively.....there was to be no other gods, no idols, and no false religious practices. (Exodus 20:3-5) God himself prescribed all of Israel’s worship, down to the last detail.
 

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
If you truly want to understand why a syncretist is a syncretist, then read the sacred texts of other religions. You can then see if you understand where they see the parallels.
Tao Te Ching, Bhagavad Gita, Dhammapada. A Taoist, Hindu, and Buddhist text that are entry level I think. These texts made me a syncretist. I perceive them all to have the same author


Having read those three texts myself, I found them wholly compatible not only with each other, but also with my reading of The Gospels. I'd recommend them to anyone embarking on a journey of spiritual discovery, and certainly to anyone who considers themselves Christian.

I grew up in a Catholic household, but as my dad was a Japanophile, our house always had a Buddha statue nestling between the Sacred Heart and the Virgin Mary. Not sure if that's Syncretism, it just seemed perfectly natural to me.

Anyone interested in learning about one man's very personal spiritual journey, incorporating Western and Eastern ideas, might consider reading Jack Kerouac's 'The Dharma Bums'.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I see so many here at RF adopting a range of beliefs from various religious systems and making up what appears to be their own personal religions.

How authentic can such a blend of religions be, outside of that individual?

Does it matter if no one else shares that mix of beliefs?

What is the motive behind syncretism, and is it merely “religion shopping” or selecting “ingredients” to fit personal religious tastes?

What role does God (or gods) play in the choices?

How many versions of religious truth can there be?

How can one find the diamond in a pile of broken glass?

Help me understand......:shrug:
I didn't choose Deism.
I didn't go shopping for it.

God's universal representative and ruler here just slapped me very hard in the face so I couldn't help but take notice.

It would have been such a better deal if God had proposed some heaven or other, but that didn't happen. :)
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
It seems as if most people feel at liberty to do that.....almost like its trendy to describe oneself as a mixture of faiths....sort of like they had attended an “all you can eat” religious buffet....help yourself to whatever appeals to your pallet.


I never knew what it meant to be a Christian when I was a member of the church.....I discovered that only when I studied the Bible for myself. The vague teachings of my church annoyed me greatly because they could never directly answer my questions from the Bible. I found out why later.....they learn theology in their collages, not the Bible. Most clergy I find are sadly lacking in their Bible knowledge.....though they can tell you what their church teaches.....and a few cherry picked texts that seem to suggest that what they teach is true, but none of it adds up.....their trinity particularly made no sense at all and there is no mention of it in the Bible. The Bible does not support their teachings at all....yet they claim that it does.


There is a fairly simple way to get to the bottom of a doctrinal issue and that is to consult the Bible....not the church. Everything we need to know is in God’s word. Anything that disagrees with what it teaches needs to be discarded. This is what JW’s did. They went back to the beginning, threw out everything the churches taught and allowed the Bible to speak for itself....this is why our teachings are so different......they are solidly Bible based....not borrowed from non-Christian religions and covered with a thin veneer of Christian ideals.


All of the first Christians were Jews....and there was a reason why Jesus was sent only to “the lost sheep of the house of Israel”....these were to have first opportunity to fill places in the Kingdom of God, due to a promise that God made to Abraham. The Jews failed to keep their covenant...but God never did. He produced their Messiah right on time, but they rejected him because he did not fulfill their expectations.


I believe that the Bible itself is clear about mixing true worship with false worship. To participate in false worship makes God very angry, because the author of false worship is his avowed adversary, and whatever worship is not directed to the true God, goes to the ‘wannabe pretender’ god by default. There is a separation taking place as we speak, with the devil allowed to test us all out. The choices we make will determine our future....we show which god we worship by our actions. I firmly believe this.


Adopting beliefs and practices from other religions was absolutely forbidden to Israel, and Jesus also taught that to worship anything or anyone other than his Father was unacceptable. Part of the Ten Commandments was that the Jews were to serve their God exclusively.....there was to be no other gods, no idols, and no false religious practices. (Exodus 20:3-5) God himself prescribed all of Israel’s worship, down to the last detail.

I was not expecting to go into a doctrinal issues debate or even a discussion. So I will withdraw from it.

Have a great day Deeje.
 
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