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I note that you chose to ignore the gist of my post. Too painful?so you eat meat but demand to know if Jw's care about animals being killed?
You obviously dont mind animals being killed, so lets not make an argument of it.
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I note that you chose to ignore the gist of my post. Too painful?so you eat meat but demand to know if Jw's care about animals being killed?
You obviously dont mind animals being killed, so lets not make an argument of it.
Now i understand why you think it is made up or symbolic i did forget that baha'is do not believe in literally demonsWell, I don't believe in demons as the Baha'i Faith teaches, which is why I question demons entering pigs as being history. It is also well known that the Gospels was written down at least a couple of decades after Jesus lived. Call it rationalizing if you wish, or someone else wishes. We do agree that the first example is not true. Salutations!
The Bible is a product of the Holy Spirit, lMO. Did the prophets fail to hear God's words? Did the prophets speak falsely? Or do the forty plus prophets of the Bible present a coherent and consistent message?
The Bible, l would say, is a coherent and consistent prophecy. To me, it is evidence that God can be heard, and that His words can be communicated through the Spirit.
As we know from the Bible, there are true prophets and false prophets.Others would say the Quran is a product of the Holy Spirit. Do you agree with them? Did the prophets in the Quran speak falsely? Is the Quran a coherent and consistent message? The Quran then, is evidence that God can be heard and that His words can be communicated through the Spirit.
The Bible has the same origin as the Quran, or Gita (the Bhagavad Gita is the oldest), or Tao Te Ching, or all the rest. They are compilations of stories written by people listening to their own amazing inner light.
And the Bible is full of such prophecies.
@Bree has a very good point! You eat meat but at the same time you are against that animals being killed? you know the meat you eat is dead animals? The animals you have eaten is innocent animals too.I note that you chose to ignore the gist of my post. Too painful?
I was referring to the mass slaughter of whales. I was not commenting on the mythical biblical pigs.@Bree has a very good point! You eat meat but at the same time you are against that animals being killed? you know the meat you eat is dead animals? The animals you have eaten is innocent animals too.
You believe the pigs the demons killed is innocent and that it is terrible they died but at the same time you eat meat??
I'm a vegetarian. I dislike animals being killed. If you really hate animals being killed then stop eating meat.
That's nonsense. The prophecies of the Bible are numerous and specific.The quatrains of Nostradamus are also filled with prophecies. Just ask anyone who believes in the quatrains of Nostradamus.
When the quatrains of Nostradamus are examined it is found they really prophecize nothing. They are little more than vague ramblings.
When the prophecies of the Bible are examined it is found they really prophecize nothing. They are little more than vague ramblings.
The quatrains of Nostradamus are also filled with prophecies. Just ask anyone who believes in the quatrains of Nostradamus.
When the quatrains of Nostradamus are examined it is found they really prophecize nothing. They are little more than vague ramblings.
When the prophecies of the Bible are examined it is found they really prophecize nothing. They are little more than vague ramblings.
That's nonsense. The prophecies of the Bible are numerous and specific.
That's what you said. Then you followed up with several paragraphs of nothing much. It would've done much more for your argument if you had been able to produce a few of those "numerous and specific" prophecies.
The pig story always bothered me, too. I'm hoping there's some context I'm missing.Casting devils into pigs...
a) he listened and obeyed legion of devils, followed their bidding
b) tortured and killed innocent animals
c) destroyed property and livelihood of farmer
People in the town were angry at Jesus for good reason.
Now it is your turn, examples, or rationalization of Jesus acts.
That's nonsense. The prophecies of the Bible are numerous and specific.
The prophecies listed below are those that apply to Jesus as the Suffering Servant. As one works through the list the lens of prophecy becomes ever more detailed and specific. Ultimately, when taking all these prophecies into account, there can only be one man who 'fits the bill' - Jesus Christ.
Here is one of those "vague ramblings".There is a huge difference between the vague ramblings of a clairvoyant and the reiterated truths of the prophets of God.
The pig story always bothered me, too. I'm hoping there's some context I'm missing.
As we know from the Bible, there are true prophets and false prophets.
The Genesis prophecy of the woman's seed is the first that makes a clear separation between God's righteous seed and the seed of sin (Satan's). In Galatians, Paul explains that the righteous seed of the woman (Mary) came at God's appointed time, when Jesus was born.I ask you to produce a few "numerous and specific" prophecies. Did you do that? No. Instead, you posted a long list and made the preemptive excuse..."taking all these prophecies into account". How really sad. You could not show even one specific prophecy.
Do I really have to do your work to try to support your unsupportable argument? I'll try. Starting at the top, so you don't accuse me of cherry-picking...
Genesis 3
15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
If that is what you consider a prophecy then I can understand why you believe there are "numerous and specific" prophecies. Now tell us what, specifically, is being prophecized.
Galatians 4
4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Now tell us what, specifically, is being prophesized in the above.
John 3
8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Now tell us what, specifically, is being prophesized in the above. I await your response.
False prophets and diviners can predict events, but this does not guarantee that the prophecy is of God. If you read Acts 16:16-18, you'll read about a woman whose soothsaying brought 'much gain' but Paul cast out the evil spirit although it was telling the truth.Here is one of those "vague ramblings".
The young lion will overcome the older one,
On the field of combat in a single battle;
He will pierce his eyes through a golden cage,
Two wounds made one, then he dies a cruel death.
Note the use of the word "will". Nostradamus takes about the future in his prophecies. Things that will happen. Two of your Biblical prophecies, listed above, don't talk about the future at all. Genesis 3:3 does, but what is it prophecizing is so general and vague it cannot be considered a prophecy.
Nostradamus, on the other hand, can be seen to actually predict ...
In the summer of 1559 King Henry II of France (older one) lined up to joust Gabriel, Comte de Montgomery, (young lion), who was six years his junior.That is far more specific and accurate than "I will put enmity between thee and the woman".
In their final pass, Montgomery's lance tilted up, burst through the king's poorly-secured visor (pierce his eyes through a golden cage), and splintered, according to "On the Death of Henry II." In the Journal of Neurosurgery, Kamilah Dowling and James
All this demonstrates is that you haven't read the Bible! Otherwise you would know the difference between prophecy and divination (crystal balls)....and as we know from Psychiatry, about 10% of otherwise healthy people have grandiose delusions. Common delusions are fictitious beliefs about having power or authority over others, such as believing they are chosen by God. Grandiose delusions are often accompanied by such things as visual and auditory hallucinations, and positive feelings of elevation,
Until a healthy sense of self-esteem can be found elsewhere, cognitive dissonance will be used by those with grandiose delusions around anything which questions their delusionary authority or power....
Application in the here and now is what I find useful, truth through testing and application, not through interpretations of crystal balls.
All this demonstrates is that you haven't read the Bible!
There's no such thing as perfect or imperfect. They're just concepts that don't actually exist.Casting devils into pigs...
a) he listened and obeyed legion of devils, followed their bidding
b) tortured and killed innocent animals
c) destroyed property and livelihood of farmer
People in the town were angry at Jesus for good reason.
Now it is your turn, examples, or rationalization of Jesus acts.