Do you think God is a fact? You're referring to it as if it exists.
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How to prove God.
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YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I don't think it is a loaded question, since you say, if I understand you correctly, that God is in all religions. Therefore, are all religions right? Are all their creeds right? It's really not a loaded question. It's a reasonable question.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
OK, let's see. I do believe it's likely very true that if I fall out a window, I will fall downward.
Fact, as defined in the scientific sense: Fact: "In science, an observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as “true.” Truth in science, however, is never final and what is accepted as a fact today may be modified or even discarded tomorrow."
Are facts and truth the same?
Here's a good one: "Most scholars resist the use of the word “truth” in what it suggests more than they resist for what it means. Especially in limited contexts such as social networks, where there is no room for nuance, writing “truth” sounds like “doctrine.” And I say, yeah, that sounds about right.
What is the truth in science? (penmediainc.com)
So is gravity a fact? I believe it is so far. But remember, theories can change.
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
Nope.
While it is certainly very well established, it would only take one single result that is inconsistent with our understanding of gravity to prove that understanding false.
Now, granted, I think that is extraordinarily unlikely, but the fact remains that it means we can never say for certain that we've got it absolutely figured out, no matter how many tests and experiments we run. Because we can never be absolutely certain that the next experiment wouldn't be the one that proves it all wrong.
Bear Wild
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Scientist and god are independent factors. God is your belief but it does not aid in understanding the details of the world and how it works. The natural world exists with or without god. We do not live in a world of blind random causation because organisms have evolved sufficient complexity to go beyond just random causation. Simple example - selection/mating behavior. No longer random but quite natural. Organism can modify their environment in none random ways. Now maybe your brains has synapses that are random but most people on this forum would disagree that they do not respond in blind random ways. That would have been a maladaptive expenditure of energy and selected against long ago. We are not programed by the whims of random acts. We selected long ago as sentient organisms with cognitive abilities to adapt to and modify our environment.
Bear Wild
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OK, let's see. I do believe it's likely very true that if I fall out a window, I will fall downward.
Fact, as defined in the scientific sense: Fact: "In science, an observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as “true.” Truth in science, however, is never final and what is accepted as a fact today may be modified or even discarded tomorrow."
Are facts and truth the same?
Here's a good one: "Most scholars resist the use of the word “truth” in what it suggests more than they resist for what it means. Especially in limited contexts such as social networks, where there is no room for nuance, writing “truth” sounds like “doctrine.” And I say, yeah, that sounds about right.
What is the truth in science? (penmediainc.com)
So is gravity a fact? I believe it is so far. But remember, theories can change.
So you can post this which shows that science approximates what is real and is always open to change as new evidence becomes available and accept it for gravity but you cannot understand it for evolution. So you pick and choose what you like to believe or what suits you in science?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
When these religions were originally revealed they were true, but after that they were corrupted by man and that is one reason religion has to be renewed in every age.
No, the man-made doctrines and creeds are not right. Only the scriptures are right, but even those have problems.
Maybe this will help you understand what I am trying to convey:
“All that lives, and this includes the religions, have springtime, a time of maturity, of harvest and wintertime. Then religion becomes barren, a lifeless adherence to the letter uninformed by the spirit, and man’s spiritual life declines. When we look at religious history, we see that God has spoken to men precisely at times when they have reached the nadir of their degradation and cultural decadence. Moses came to Israel when it was languishing under the Pharaoh’s yoke, Christ appeared at a time when the Jewish Faith had lost its power and culture of antiquity was in its death those. Muhammad came to a people who lived in barbaric ignorance at the lowest level of culture and into a world in which the former religions had strayed far away from their origins and nearly lost their identity. The Bab addressed Himself to a people who had irretrievably lost their former grandeur and who found themselves in a state of hopeless decadence. Baha’u’llah came to a humanity which was approaching the most critical phase of its history.” (Udo Schaefer, The Light Shineth in Darkness, p. 24)
Well there you go, you've just admitted there are facts in science. Thanks for changing your mind.
That's why science can be trusted, it becomes more accurate over time as it accumulates more data and improves instrumentation. Theories are built on facts. For example the fact of gravity (that you already agreed is a fact) is what holds the moon in orbit to earth, the planets in orbit around the sun, and all other objects in our galaxy in motion around the center. There are billions of galaxies in the whole of the universe, and all rely on gravity.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Religion also becomes more accurate over time......
#273 Trailblazer, Today at 5:58 PM
but it doesn't help anyone of nobody looks at the new data and improvements.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Are we as humans supposed to "improve" Gods words when we find words in the teaching we do not agree on or dislike?Religion also becomes more accurate over time......
#273 Trailblazer, Today at 5:58 PM
but it doesn't help anyone of nobody looks at the new data and improvements.
Thats like saying "Shut up God i know this better than you"
i believe we should change our self, and not try to change God to fit in to our image of what we want it to be.Justanatheist
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15 pages in and has anyone proved god yet?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
No
Because we all have different understanding of what God truly are. and no matter how good answer we give our self, according to what we believe. others may understand God different and will claim our answer is false or wrong Justanatheist
Well-Known Member
Oh gosh, did I just see some men run on the pitch and move that goal post..................................................................................................................
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
You must have understood what I meant by what I said. I meant that God reveals more in every new age but most people don't like anything new so they reject what God reveals. That's like saying "Shut up God, I do not want to hear any more from you because I already know all there is to know."Are we as humans supposed to "improve" Gods words when we find words in the teaching we do not agree on or dislike?
Thats like saying "Shut up God i know this better than you"
Justanatheist
Well-Known Member
So which model of the universe fits what we know best,No
Under theism wouldn't we expect to see a god that is universal?
Under naturalism wouldn't we expect to see a fragmentation of god ideas?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Yes, i do know what you mean @Trailblazer
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
I can only answer for how i understand it
I do see sign Allah everywhere but can not prove it physically to others.
Justanatheist
Well-Known Member
Yes, but what I am trying to get at is the fact Theists all see god differently, where as if one true god existed wouldn't we expect all Theists to see god the same?I can only answer for how i understand it
I do see sign Allah everywhere but can not prove it physically to others.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
No, because we are all on different wisdom levels so what we see and understand are different to others.
It becomes a personal "relationship" with God
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Says the cdesign proponentsists