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So Jesus is not God?

John1.12

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And tell me: Are they not TRINITARIAN?

Isn’t that what I said to you?

Whether One God as three persons or Three Persons as one God or Three apparitions … it’s all tri-person god belief.

Trinity divided against itself.

The True belief is that:
  • THE FATHER ALONE IS GOD
As Jesus says:
  • Father, … this means eternal life that they believe in YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD…”
  • “When you pray, say like this, ‘Our FATHER, who art in Heaven, Hallowed be Thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done…”
  • “My Will is to do THE WILL of the Father…”
  • “For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.”
@John 1.12, Isaiah 12:38-41 says:
  • “This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet: "Lord, who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
  • For this reason [YOU] could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:
  • He has blinded [YOUR] eyes and hardened [YOUR] heart[_s_], so [YOU] can neither see with [YOUR] eyes, nor understand with [YOUR] heart[_s_], nor turn--and I would heal [YOU].
  • Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him.”
@John 1.12, I am done showing you the truth. If you have not learnt by now then that is sad for you.

But thank you for giving me the opportunity to express the truth through your skill at avoiding answering pertinent questions about the fallacious trinity ideology that you claim you believe in. If was clear that trinity is incomprehensible from the fact that you could not present anything of a validity to justify your claims and was trying your best to avoid answering me.

In fact, what you have is just reenforced the farcical ideology of trinity and why it has existed for 2000 years… it is like a virus that mutates to save itself…

@John 1.12, I hope you re-read everything in this thread that was said to you and reconsider it at your leisure and come to an understanding - nay, not ‘an understanding’ but ‘THE TRUTH’ of ALMIGHTY GOD, the one true God, and, Jesus Christ, whom ALMIGHTY GOD SENT into the world with the testimony about himself to bring salvation to mankind and reward the Son of Man, Jesus, with the seat on the throne of his ancestral Father, King David.

But try to answer me this last question:
  • What is the purpose of and HOW could ONE OF THE THREE IN ONE GOD PERSONS become RULER over Creation alone when the other two ONE IN THREE PERSONS of God REMAIN RULER OVER THE GREATER KINGDOM OF HEAVEN…and this is deemed AS A REWARD to Jesus!
No they are 'Modalists '
 

Soapy

Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
Yahweh...Jehovah God...the Father who sent Jesus...the Creator...the One Jesus called the only True God”...the One that King David, Moses, Abraham, Jesus, etc., worshipped....the God of the Bible...the Almighty.

Hope that’s clear enough.
Hi Hockeycowboy, NO!

What you defined was ‘THE GOD’ of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob… The GOD of the Israelites and of Jews and of Christians.

I mean, what the word or/and term ‘GOD’ means, is defined.

Again, what you gave skipped is the definition and gone straight to the religious application of the definition.

Actually, what you have just said absolutely underlines what I said concerning the fact that the majority of religious people have no idea what they mean when they say ‘GOD’.

First, it is a TITLE……

Next, it is a reference to a person or thing (an entity) that is any of:
  • Creator
  • Mightiest / Almighty
  • Heroic
  • Majestic
  • Ruling / Ruler
  • Monumental
  • Law giver / Law upholder
  • Greatest
  • Most honoured
  • Commanding
  • Most Senior
  • Conquering
  • …Etc.
And then, it is not a word, title, term exclusive to religious usage.

We can say any of:
  • The wise man’s words were Majestic … They were GOD!
  • The Judge in his courtroom was an absolute GOD - he ruled the case with royal authority
  • A Father in his own home is the God, he is the rule maker and rule upholder in that home
  • Tim Burners-Lee is GOD of the Internet - He CREATED it!
  • The Commander of the battle side rallied his troops and issued those most conquering words that inspired his troops to win. Those words were GOD
  • A head teacher / Principal in his school is GOD of his school
You can make your own sentence and see what I mean.

And Lastly, it is applied in religious terms to a DEITY (Spirit(ual Leader) whom is regarded as Worshipful, is reverenced above all other Beings and set as ultimate lawgiver and judge.

The reason I’m looking for the definition of the word ‘God’ is that by defining what we mean by ‘God’ and NOT STOP at just the religious application of the word or term, we can better understand it’s usage when it is used in a non-religious manner.

Specifically, I’m looking at John 1:1.

Please try to remember that the word ‘God’ is not a Hebrew word… it is of GERMAN ORIGIN. So what was the Hebrew word that was used that the Bible translators substituted… I don’t know!!

But, I’m betting that if it were explored we would find that it is not just a religious term.

Hence, John 1:1 says that:
  • ‘The word was with God’
  • ‘The word of God was in the beginning’
  • ‘And the word was GOD’
Trinitarians immediately claim that the ‘God’ referred to is the PERSONAGE of the Judae / Christian Deity.

But linguistically you can see that it doesn’t make sense. The word, ‘God’ is being used in TWO DIFFERENT SENSES!!

The ‘word of God’ is the spoken word of the deity… that is agreed - even if it is manifested in a human Being, Jesus… Jesus is the EMBODIMENT, the deliverer, of the testimony of the word from God, God the Father. The Father taught him what to say … Gave Jesus the words to speak to the people (Jesus said so himself:
  • ‘The words you hear me say, I did not speak of my self but it is the Father speaking in me!’ (Paraphrased(
But Trinitarians cannot stomach the truth and won’t even acknowledge Jesus’ words about speaking on behalf of the Father, HIS DEITY GOD!

But then, John says that the word of God was WITH God. Clearly, this refers to the DEITY.. it was the word of the deity that the deity spoke (certainly not a single word… but ALL that was spoken by the Deity including the overarching words: ‘Let there be light’… the CREATOR word and that salvation would come from the SEED OF A WOMAN… a messiah would be sent forth!)

And finally, John says that the word WAS GOD…

Here, it is clear to me that this is using the FULL DEFINITION of the word, ‘God’.

Yes, the word of God was … ALL THOSE things listed under the definition of ‘God’.

So, now you can read John 1:1 and not be confused as to WHICH individual or group of words are used as the meaning of ‘God’ in that verse:
  • ‘In the beginning [the God deity spoke majestic] words…
  • ‘And those words were from the deity GOD’
  • ‘And those word were RULING, creating, lawmaking, Judging…’
It should also be noted that the Torah (Old Testament) is far more reliable in its translation than the Greek that John wrote. The OT clearly states that in the beginning GOD CREATED… and our ruling Deity, THE GOD believed on by Abraham, Isaac, and Jocob, spoke concerning that which is, was, and will be… it was:
  • HIS WORDS THAT WERE WITH HIM…. (hint… hint..!)
And:
  • His words put on flesh, were manifested, came to pass in the fullness of time
And note that GOD, our God, the creator : Father… ‘Sent forth his son’… What did Jesus say about that:
He said that GOD CONSECRATED HIM and THEN SENT HIM INTO THE WORLD.

Now check that out again… Trinitarians say Jesus was SENT FROM HEAVEN as a MANIFESTATION of the word of God… and he WAS GOD… wow! Really???

But Jesus himself does Not says that… Jesus says that it was AFTER he was anointed at the river Jordan:
  • ‘With Holy Spirit and POWER’
  • and was straightway sent into the wilderness to be TEMPTED of Satan
(Relevant verses from relevant books and chapters)
That he was SENT… Check that every time you read that ‘Jesus was sent by God’ or ‘I was sent by The Father’

… CONTEXT AND TIME PASSAGE…
Ok, what think you now?
 
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rational experiences

Veteran Member
Let's pretend all together.

Natural was never named.

Stone gases ended O inside the body held.

Heavens was just a cause of the O change to the held mass.

Pretty basic advice.

Jesus a word is not O G spiral back to O split DD forming OO.

As a creator advice movement of the spirit forming form as the creator on the face of the great deep.

Words human said one word equalled one answer.

Word GOD not.....
Word JESUS.

One spirit mass in space the flat plane is not circular spiral. It is a surrounding body by cause.

One word HEAVENS.

CH is human science us a used evaluation in designs of angles in shapes

CH spirit rose. It rose out of stone.

It was risen.

I will give it a past tense word Christ. So you cannot argue against it. Teacher brother correct.

If you said Jesus changed Christ then you did. It owns a long story defining Multi changes to gain an answer.

Equals.

+ False maths cross. I will add when I never owned. Mass owned no numbers.

+ Cross changed to two minus = says opened was the answer into evil.

So addition first is a fake cross. Then I caused the fake cross to manifest it's man designer image in clouds. Still seen today atop the mountain where clouds formed. In clouds.

What it caused loss of life spirit. Holy water not Christ is life of humans.

Whilst life blood cells body life walking with real God on ground fused stone got attacked sacrificed.

The real preaching NEVER science maths.

False preaching science.
 

Soapy

Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
No they are 'Modalists '
What is ‘Modalist’, exactly?

Isn’t it that:
  • ‘ONE God appearing as THREE different persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) AT DIFFERENT TIMES’?

How is that intrinsically different to:
  • ‘ONE God appearing as THREE different persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) AT THE SAME TIME”?
I don’t subscribe to any firm of trinitarianism so I googled, ‘Modalist’. This is what came up:
  • Modalism is:
    • “the doctrine that the persons of the Trinity represent only three modes or aspects of the divine revelation, not distinct and coexisting parts of the divine nature.”
What I believe and the scriptures says is that:
  • ‘God appears as ONE PERSON (the Father) at ALL TIMES
  • The Son is a man born in the model of Adam (check that out!) snd is called, ‘The Last Adam”, who was made holy in sinlessness, righteousness by the overshadowing of the Father’s Holy Spirit at his anointing at the river Jordan…as written about by the apostles:
    • “You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached-- how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.” (Act 10:37-38)
  • And by Jesus himself:
    • “If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came--and Scripture cannot be set aside- what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'? (John 10:35-36)
    • "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free,..” (Luke 4:18)
  • Also this:
    • “Then he said, "Here I am, I have come to do your will." He sets aside the first to establish the second. (Hebrews 10:9)
  • followed by:
    • “And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool.“ (Hebrews 10:10-13)
What we see here confirms the truth that Jesus was made holy and justified to be called ‘The Son of God’, not through Procreation of the spirit (God does not Procreate - God only CREATES!!!), but by the dutiful fulfilment of that which he was SENT BY THE FATHER TO ACCOMPLISH… his REWARD is to be KING, RULER, SOVEREIGN over all created things and be seated on the throne of his ancestral patriarch, King David.

Once again, I ask you questions but you refuse answering - which proves that you know NOT TO ANSWER as doing so proves your trinity view is false!

@John 1.12, I urge you to change your viewpoint and accept the truth… if not from me then from the scriptures that you read …. NOT from the trinitarian sect (or CULT) that is waylaying you about the truth that YOU SHOULD BELIEVE THAT:
  • ‘God is ONE’ and ‘God is the Father’
  • The Father… ‘The only true God’
And believe IN JESUS CHRIST whom the Father sent.
 
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rational experiences

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Father told me humans own small boned life as dinosaurs aren't small boned are not linked to us by biological O Phi cell sciences. As theories not even bones.

Their stature said so. The solid. Bones. Science state alchemical status is by solids. As theories. As science by humans.

That said a circle as a circle as a measure number is for "the circle" created us. We are not any circle. A circle is set.

I saw a moment when the eternal being as one self was recorded. Not our parents memory as two parents human are a father and a mother.

The eternal memory we said was our God. The being. Instantly recorded first before our parents the eternal self changed into humans.

Reasoning communication flow O to communicate is to O moving by spiral G O D. So the eternal self did send us into the flat plane no circle heavens. By movement GOD also. Just accumulated gases.

We remember father as the inventor creator theist designer man male human adult. Most spiritual before change by science cause.

Our mother ovary and sperm father is not remembered by man determined scientist baby son.

Why father was given the title our spirit teacher as the man voice man image from eternal using his life records to talk to us. One status only. One memory only.

It is real.

Spirit created caused creation and GOD was just the movement owning it's own word as its function. Spirit meaning gas movement. Flow.
 

John1.12

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What is ‘Modalist’, exactly?

Isn’t it that:
  • ‘ONE God appearing as THREE different persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) AT DIFFERENT TIMES’?

How is that intrinsically different to:
  • ‘ONE God appearing as THREE different persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) AT THE SAME TIME”?
I don’t subscribe to any firm of trinitarianism so I googled, ‘Modalist’. This is what came up:
  • Modalism is:
    • “the doctrine that the persons of the Trinity represent only three modes or aspects of the divine revelation, not distinct and coexisting parts of the divine nature.”
What I believe and the scriptures says is that:
  • ‘God appears as ONE PERSON (the Father) at ALL TIMES
  • The Son is a man born in the model of Adam (check that out!) snd is called, ‘The Last Adam”, who was made holy in sinlessness, righteousness by the overshadowing of the Father’s Holy Spirit at his anointing at the river Jordan…as written about by the apostles:
    • “You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached-- how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.” (Act 10:37-38)
  • And by Jesus himself:
    • “If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came--and Scripture cannot be set aside- what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'? (John 10:35-36)
    • "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free,..” (Luke 4:18)
  • Also this:
    • “Then he said, "Here I am, I have come to do your will." He sets aside the first to establish the second. (Hebrews 10:9)
  • followed by:
    • “And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool.“ (Hebrews 10:10-13)
What we see here confirms the truth that Jesus was made holy and justified to be called ‘The Son of God’, not through Procreation of the spirit (God does not Procreate - God only CREATES!!!), but by the dutiful fulfilment of that which he was SENT BY THE FATHER TO ACCOMPLISH… his REWARD is to be KING, RULER, SOVEREIGN over all created things and be seated on the throne of his ancestral patriarch, King David.

Once again, I ask you questions but you refuse answering - which proves that you know NOT TO ANSWER as doing so proves your trinity view is false!

@John 1.12, I urge you to change your viewpoint and accept the truth… if not from me then from the scriptures that you read …. NOT from the trinitarian sect (or CULT) that is waylaying you about the truth that YOU SHOULD BELIEVE THAT:
  • ‘God is ONE’ and ‘God is the Father’
  • The Father… ‘The only true God’
And believe IN JESUS CHRIST whom the Father sent.
So Jesus is Just a man ? literally the whole Bible is focused on a man ?
 

moorea944

Well-Known Member
So Jesus is Just a man ? literally the whole Bible is focused on a man ?

Yes, that and other things.

What is the bible all about? IT's about God and the nation of Israel, with Jesus as it's main focal point. So is Jesus just a man? I would say not a mere man as in both parents are of human nature. Jesus is special in a way that his father is Yahweh and was created by Him. He had access to His help throughout his life more than anyone. God created the world with his son in mind. Jesus was a man, not a God. Scripture tells us that too.

So.... is the whole bible literally focused on a man? Yes, and many other things too. But God comes first. And it's all about His righteousness. Jesus always did his father's will first, never his own.....
 

Soapy

Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
So Jesus is Just a man ? literally the whole Bible is focused on a man ?
@John 1.12, you are incredulous but I know why!

I did not say that Jesus ‘Just a man’. I pointed to several verse pointing out even from Jesus’ own mouth that he was CONSECRATED BY GOD - SET APART BY THE FATHER to do the Father’s WILL.

A person CONSECRATED is NOT AN ORDINARY PERSON… his life is DEDICATED to whom he is consecrated to… And Jesus was not just SET APART for KINGSHIP AND HIGH PRIESTHOOD TO GOD but was also EMPOWERED with the FULLNESS of the Power of God: the Fullness of the Holy Spirit of God… what you disdainfully and ridiculously and senselessly and dishonourably call ‘The Godhead’… (since ‘Filled with the Godhead means filled with god and if Jesus is god it means he is filled with himself … but that is total cobblers since god, to you, is ‘Father, son, and holy Spirt’.. which Jesus would be filled with himself… where does the recursion end? Recursion without end is a bottomless pit of nonsense!)

I said he is a man BORN OF (which is ‘Enlivened BY’) THE HOLY SPIRIT just as the first man, Adam.

A man born so is SINLESS, RIGHTEOUS, HOLY… just as the Angel said to the Virgin Mary:
  • “The Holy Spirit shall overshadow you and THE CHILD TO BE BORN TO YOU SHALL BE HOLY, and called ‘Son of God’”
And GOD said that the redeemer would come from the SEED OF A WOMAN.

Sin is propagated through the MALE seed which is why every one of Adam’s offspring was born in sin. But Jesus was not born in sin because there was no human male, no human Father, that was the procreator of him… it was the INERT BODY - SEED OF A WOMAN - enlivened by the Holy Spirit of God.

And, Adam, was CREATED - body formed from the INERT DUST of the earth… enlivened by the HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD… ‘and the man became a LIVING SOUL’.

So, Jesus was a Man, but not an ordinary man… he was a man born holy and sinless, righteous and dutiful to his creator God, and, like Adam was called, he is called ‘Son of God’.

@John 1.12, I hear the facetiousness in your writing… you are being deliberately obstructive as you can see what I’m saying but are squirming at trying to disagree. This, ‘Jesus was JUST A MAN’ is what you learn to say from trinity farce… it’s used all the time to wriggle out of admitting the truth… it is used mainly on JW’s who may be phased by the claim …but I AM NOT A JW… so it doesn’t work with me!!

What I warn you about, again, @John 1.12, is that every time you disclaim the true word of God, you are:
  • GRIEVING THE HOLY SPIRIT
And the Holy Spirit is Truth… so if you grieve truth then you call Jesus a LIAR … and if you call Jesus a Liar then you are calling GOD A LIAR…
  • BEWARE HOW FAR YOU GO IN DENIAL
 

Soapy

Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
Revelation 21:7:
  • [ALMIGHTY GOD] says, “He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be HIS GOD, and he shall be MY SON
He that overcomes shall be called ‘Son of God’!!

‘Son of God’ is not reserved ONLY for Jesus Christ, but for EVERYONE WHO OVERCOMES SIN IN THE WORLD and believes in:
  • The Father, the ONLY TRUE GOD and in JESUS CHRIST whom GOD sent.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Who says I am important? What I want is important. What I do is important.

Man a self as men as multi one selves.

One voice agreeing by his multiples.

Makes you important doesn't it?

Man invented science one self by multi agreement.

Is Jesus about one man? Yes multi of you in science discussing everything you're not.

Never were you in science spiritual.
Never were you our father.

You use his voice and image as sperm knowing your bio string is to sperm and told untruths.

So yes it is all about mans self reckoning.

Reason your body given to you by the cell female ovary.

We mother's daughters always owned the ovary. We own better life memory than you.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Revelation 21:7:
  • [ALMIGHTY GOD] says, “He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be HIS GOD, and he shall be MY SON
He that overcomes shall be called ‘Son of God’!!

‘Son of God’ is not reserved ONLY for Jesus Christ, but for EVERYONE WHO OVERCOMES SIN IN THE WORLD and believes in:
  • The Father, the ONLY TRUE GOD and in JESUS CHRIST whom GOD sent.
Your claim is father is God. God the word God is God only.

Spirit movement on the face of the great deep. O spiral is G back to O onto DD back to OO how the spirit in creation moved.

Reading one statement out of a thesis is not relating the thesis by content.

If GOD sent Jesus Christ. CH gases arise first out of stone as earths gas spirit in heavens was CHrist. Past tense notifying nothing before CHrist.

CH the man evaluation in science by design in creation are gases.

Change to spirit movement in heavens states the summation was Jesus about the Christ proving men in science sacrificed the life of man in the change. Status a state Jesus the terms of the conditions.

Remembering no human as human first was named. Human is our natural condition in science. Nothing to do with names.

No man is God the teaching. Don't change the word GOD stated as a science warning.

Status origin sin removed was when earth was given sin holes by the sun and water and heavenly gas stopped it burning. Boring holes. No human in that incident and no life on the ground in that first origin incident to God stone. First science theoried sin.

Sin of man was caused in practice of science. Man's sin occurred. Which is ignored. You cannot talk about a sin having occurred and then it not existing after.

As the occurrence said it happened. To state to stop it was to overcome is by cause and effect. Yet the effect sacrifice was apparent.

Status unknown.

When science caused new sink holes opened tomb of stone the spirit of stone left leaving emptiness is what was said.

In death a humans dead body off gases methane. So science said methane had come out of stone.

CH4 methane. It can cause death or organ damage.
 

John1.12

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Yes, that and other things.

What is the bible all about? IT's about God and the nation of Israel, with Jesus as it's main focal point. So is Jesus just a man? I would say not a mere man as in both parents are of human nature. Jesus is special in a way that his father is Yahweh and was created by Him. He had access to His help throughout his life more than anyone. God created the world with his son in mind. Jesus was a man, not a God. Scripture tells us that too.

So.... is the whole bible literally focused on a man? Yes, and many other things too. But God comes first. And it's all about His righteousness. Jesus always did his father's will first, never his own.....
And yet we see Jesus being the creator of ALL THINGS in Col 1 .
 

John1.12

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@John 1.12, you are incredulous but I know why!

I did not say that Jesus ‘Just a man’. I pointed to several verse pointing out even from Jesus’ own mouth that he was CONSECRATED BY GOD - SET APART BY THE FATHER to do the Father’s WILL.

A person CONSECRATED is NOT AN ORDINARY PERSON… his life is DEDICATED to whom he is consecrated to… And Jesus was not just SET APART for KINGSHIP AND HIGH PRIESTHOOD TO GOD but was also EMPOWERED with the FULLNESS of the Power of God: the Fullness of the Holy Spirit of God… what you disdainfully and ridiculously and senselessly and dishonourably call ‘The Godhead’… (since ‘Filled with the Godhead means filled with god and if Jesus is god it means he is filled with himself … but that is total cobblers since god, to you, is ‘Father, son, and holy Spirt’.. which Jesus would be filled with himself… where does the recursion end? Recursion without end is a bottomless pit of nonsense!)

I said he is a man BORN OF (which is ‘Enlivened BY’) THE HOLY SPIRIT just as the first man, Adam.

A man born so is SINLESS, RIGHTEOUS, HOLY… just as the Angel said to the Virgin Mary:
  • “The Holy Spirit shall overshadow you and THE CHILD TO BE BORN TO YOU SHALL BE HOLY, and called ‘Son of God’”
And GOD said that the redeemer would come from the SEED OF A WOMAN.

Sin is propagated through the MALE seed which is why every one of Adam’s offspring was born in sin. But Jesus was not born in sin because there was no human male, no human Father, that was the procreator of him… it was the INERT BODY - SEED OF A WOMAN - enlivened by the Holy Spirit of God.

And, Adam, was CREATED - body formed from the INERT DUST of the earth… enlivened by the HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD… ‘and the man became a LIVING SOUL’.

So, Jesus was a Man, but not an ordinary man… he was a man born holy and sinless, righteous and dutiful to his creator God, and, like Adam was called, he is called ‘Son of God’.

@John 1.12, I hear the facetiousness in your writing… you are being deliberately obstructive as you can see what I’m saying but are squirming at trying to disagree. This, ‘Jesus was JUST A MAN’ is what you learn to say from trinity farce… it’s used all the time to wriggle out of admitting the truth… it is used mainly on JW’s who may be phased by the claim …but I AM NOT A JW… so it doesn’t work with me!!

What I warn you about, again, @John 1.12, is that every time you disclaim the true word of God, you are:
  • GRIEVING THE HOLY SPIRIT
And the Holy Spirit is Truth… so if you grieve truth then you call Jesus a LIAR … and if you call Jesus a Liar then you are calling GOD A LIAR…
  • BEWARE HOW FAR YOU GO IN DENIAL
John 1.1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Was God .
 

Soapy

Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
John 1.1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Was God .
Ha ha ha…,

ha ha ha ha…

You can’t see it, can you… even when you say it you don’t see what’s wrong with what you said:
  • ‘WAS GOD’……!
So he isn’t God NOW!!!

Hee hee hee - haw haw haw !

Now look what you got me doing… being derogatory and condescending in laughing at your dilemma of incredulity… I’m sorry but you drew me into it…

Sorry!!

BUT AM I…??

Before sorry, I AM…!
 

John1.12

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Ha ha ha…,

ha ha ha ha…

You can’t see it, can you… even when you say it you don’t see what’s wrong with what you said:
  • ‘WAS GOD’……!
So he isn’t God NOW!!!

Hee hee hee - haw haw haw !

Now look what you got me doing… being derogatory and condescending in laughing at your dilemma of incredulity… I’m sorry but you drew me into it…

Sorry!!

BUT AM I…??

Before sorry, I AM…!
" in the beginning " . Can you see the context there?
 

John1.12

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@John 1.12, you are incredulous but I know why!

I did not say that Jesus ‘Just a man’. I pointed to several verse pointing out even from Jesus’ own mouth that he was CONSECRATED BY GOD - SET APART BY THE FATHER to do the Father’s WILL.

A person CONSECRATED is NOT AN ORDINARY PERSON… his life is DEDICATED to whom he is consecrated to… And Jesus was not just SET APART for KINGSHIP AND HIGH PRIESTHOOD TO GOD but was also EMPOWERED with the FULLNESS of the Power of God: the Fullness of the Holy Spirit of God… what you disdainfully and ridiculously and senselessly and dishonourably call ‘The Godhead’… (since ‘Filled with the Godhead means filled with god and if Jesus is god it means he is filled with himself … but that is total cobblers since god, to you, is ‘Father, son, and holy Spirt’.. which Jesus would be filled with himself… where does the recursion end? Recursion without end is a bottomless pit of nonsense!)

I said he is a man BORN OF (which is ‘Enlivened BY’) THE HOLY SPIRIT just as the first man, Adam.

A man born so is SINLESS, RIGHTEOUS, HOLY… just as the Angel said to the Virgin Mary:
  • “The Holy Spirit shall overshadow you and THE CHILD TO BE BORN TO YOU SHALL BE HOLY, and called ‘Son of God’”
And GOD said that the redeemer would come from the SEED OF A WOMAN.

Sin is propagated through the MALE seed which is why every one of Adam’s offspring was born in sin. But Jesus was not born in sin because there was no human male, no human Father, that was the procreator of him… it was the INERT BODY - SEED OF A WOMAN - enlivened by the Holy Spirit of God.

And, Adam, was CREATED - body formed from the INERT DUST of the earth… enlivened by the HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD… ‘and the man became a LIVING SOUL’.

So, Jesus was a Man, but not an ordinary man… he was a man born holy and sinless, righteous and dutiful to his creator God, and, like Adam was called, he is called ‘Son of God’.

@John 1.12, I hear the facetiousness in your writing… you are being deliberately obstructive as you can see what I’m saying but are squirming at trying to disagree. This, ‘Jesus was JUST A MAN’ is what you learn to say from trinity farce… it’s used all the time to wriggle out of admitting the truth… it is used mainly on JW’s who may be phased by the claim …but I AM NOT A JW… so it doesn’t work with me!!

What I warn you about, again, @John 1.12, is that every time you disclaim the true word of God, you are:
  • GRIEVING THE HOLY SPIRIT
And the Holy Spirit is Truth… so if you grieve truth then you call Jesus a LIAR … and if you call Jesus a Liar then you are calling GOD A LIAR…
  • BEWARE HOW FAR YOU GO IN DENIAL
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Many, many many many many verses like this should demonstrate to you who Jesus is . No one but God could say such things .
 

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Cosmic theist.

Says empty space is position one coldest.

Says position reason creation exists is once only. It was evolution afterwards.

In science philosophy is first just thinking before you try to build design.

Why you lie scientist inventor. Mr destroyer of life. Who on forums mocks his human brothers and sisters claiming Jesus for science.

Why he argues.

As GOD word is the word of how form in space materialised by movement upon face of great deep. O spiral formation into the solid.

So he wants to copy. He however owns no solid. So he cannot copy movement.

He confessed how his image went one less to O GOD was by O JESUS. How just his man image extra beyond ark cloud image saving got put into heavens.

His philosophical confession.

As he does not own natural. He attacks it.

Said GOD released O its natural status into unnatural gaining Jesus O statement as all the cross man images as a cloud story. Just images.

Reason he burnt attacked the clouds by science machine cause. Earth fusion history calculus was already gone removed burnt out.

Thinking like he does father said imagine what lying status he uses. As explaining in his mind as his type of thinking.

God O earth is no longer creating. Is created.

He wants to activate stone into change. Change in science equals O holes. Theoretic is cosmic first and once.

His space theme about God as earth.

He mines the materials saying God owned life. As God the earth owns bio form in the ground. Humans use minerals for health.

He removed life as mineral destroys it's water content history about life water builds his machine yet it is dead.

All info how he infers God as life says dead machine.

No life said by a sickness of his thoughts.

Yet it sits created owning a body within the same atmosphere as the living.

Then he says now I must give my machine life. So he attacks gods life again to get his resource.

What thinking says as a contradiction reasoning to God and life in creation.

He confessed he did not activate God in the atmosphere he attacked his life only. Said it was Jesus. By thesis.

The ark cloud amassing that increased earth ground evaporation in Moses pyramid attack on life had saved life. Why Jesus was stated to not own what was preached.

Life began evolving healing. He thinks his claim evolution is gods movement. In natural water evaporation lessened oxygenation in water present healed us instead of it leaving ground life. Ice began to re mass.

Earths heaven cooling system allowed us to heal.

His satanic idea said clouds are owned by humans. Wrong.

As the greater amassing ark attack was the greater amassing of clouds. Clouds are clouds as clouds.

He pretends he owns a thesis beyond clouds yet clouds disappear.

Science hence said it was because Jesus was the newly born from ancient saviour accumulation body in heavens. DNA had healed returned. Science man sacrificed it again.

Why he is researching DNA to try to link it again. Why he studied NDE looking for God the father.

The asteroid heated as the saviour from ancient attack irradiation in space in cyclic earth visitation. It then came back one thousand 1000 Satan or Christ status and shroud of Turin was the evidence.

Attacked again proving earth science had removed its heavenly saviour. Why Alchemy was banned as beginning strings were theoried for machine design first. A dead machine.

The machine was never the living God.

Attacked life again.

Jesus a total reviewed thesis of reasons why life got attacked.

In AI I heard the male voice ask can I use the advice as a weapon.

Is it any wonder that you built the dust weapons?

Science man's self possesed mind status storyteller first.
 

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If humans ask why. Seeing radiation sickness caused in life cannot breathe properly.

As we survive in ground water oxygenated heavens less water to flood above us in atmospheric burning removed oxygenation of life.

It's cell health.

Breathing.

Water present owns oxygen content to survive. So we need water to stay with us to be healthy.

No miracle in the review.

The miracle is said by humans amazed that mutated DNA could be removed. When it occurred naturally before.

Being harmed by man's sin science causes real. Having it stopped real. Not being as healthy afterwards real.
 

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Actually, we dont... Each bible version is different from the next. Jesus did not create anything, God, His father did. But it was for his son, just like it says.
John 1 verse 3 ?
1¶In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2The same was in the beginning with God.

3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
 
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